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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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Thank you for your honesty about hating Israel - shame that you chose to keep the hostility instead of fighting the same terrorist enemy.

btw - Israel allowed the Egyptian army to increase the number of soldiers in Sinai twice this year exactly to avoid such attacks.

How is "kicking the Israeli ambassador out" and closing border crossings fit with respecting treaties ?

The likely results are:

1. the Israel-Egyptian relations will detriorate. No israeli tourists in Sinai, less or no trade, less European tourism - loss of revenue for Egypt, mostly for the Sinai beduins whose income is from tourism & smuggling.
2. Israel will speed up building the fence along the Egyptian border. less smuggling.
3. The terrorists within Sinai will turn their attentions elsewhere, probably at the Egyptian army or western tourists.

Enjoy the new, impoverished & violent Egypt.
We totally understand the consequences and we do accept it all......we will just mind our own business and security and Israeli mind there's......that's pretty much it.

P.S: i don't hate Israelis as i have many friends from there, for me it's all about zionists and government for one simple reason....your men & army are attacked and you run attacking kids and women...did the 2, 5 and 11 years old been killed yesterday in Gaza the terrorists who committed the operation or are you just erasing the Palestinians to occupy Gaza.

End of, 1 single step in Sinai and i assure you, you will get millions marching towards Tel Aviv......it's not anymore Mubarak's era and you won't have another muppet ruling us

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Egypt recalled their ambassador from Israel.....now working on kicking out the Israeli diplomats....won't be long with all the people gathering at the moment
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Old 21.08.2011, 01:51
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We totally understand the consequences and we do accept it all......we will just mind our own business and security and Israeli mind there's......that's pretty much it.

P.S: i don't hate Israelis as i have many friends from there, for me it's all about zionists and government for one simple reason....your men & army are attacked and you run attacking kids and women...did the 2, 5 and 11 years old been killed yesterday in Gaza the terrorists who committed the operation or are you just erasing the Palestinians to occupy Gaza.

End of, 1 single step in Sinai and i assure you, you will get millions marching towards Tel Aviv......it's not anymore Mubarak's era and you won't have another muppet ruling us
Egypt doesn't seem to mind it's own business very well. Quite a few Egyptian soldiers were killed (not by Israel), but Egypt did not manage to stop it.

Civilian Casualties in Gaza are very very low - considering that the terrorists are hiding behind children's back. Perpesctive: More than 800 died in your "peaceful" revolution, the casualties in Gaza (Including 10 terrorists) are 14.


"i don't hate Israelis" and "we have and will never be friends" followed by "I have friends from there" - you only hate "Zionists". Glad you cleared that one up.

Stop worrying about Israel "stepping into" Sinai and sort Sinai out - or "Sinai" will sort you out.
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Old 21.08.2011, 02:02
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Egypt doesn't seem to mind it's own business very well. Quite a few Egyptian soldiers were killed (not by Israel), but Egypt did not manage to stop it.
Barak: Israel regrets Egyptian deaths

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Defense minister expresses regret over death of Egyptian police officers in Thursday's border area attack; 'peace treaty between Israel, Egypt has great significance,' Barak says, orders IDF inquiry into incident
IDF inquiry: Decision to keep road open wrong

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DF officials admitted Saturday that the army's decision not to close Route 12 where Thursday's deadly terror offensive took place - despite intelligence warnings of an imminent attack - was a mistake.
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End of, 1 single step in Sinai and i assure you, you will get millions marching towards Tel Aviv......it's not anymore Mubarak's era and you won't have another muppet ruling us
As much as this thread is amusing me (it's a wonderful microcosm don't you think..?) let's not get emotional. There will be no millions marching anywhere. Israel doesn't "fight" Gaza. It deals with it (often badly). There aren't 5 Arab countries that could join together to pose any sort of the military threat to Israel. They're a nuclear power and even with out it surely within the top 4 most powerful military forces in the world by any measure. So let's just cool it - militarily, Israel could take Sinai, even all of Egypt, and there isn't anything Egypt could do about it. Politically however, it would be disastrous.

Remember the conversation between Khrushchev and Mao. Khrushchev was visiting China and Mao delighted in showing him a demonstration of a giant workers army. Hundreds of thousands of men in formation with hoes and rakes. Khrushchev turned to Mao and said "under a nuclear bomb, all of this is just meat".
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Old 21.08.2011, 03:04
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Just now, an Egyptian guy climbed the embassy building up 18 floors to remove the flag and he did + replaced it with an Egyptian flag.....this is how willing people are now....that's just my point....there's absolutely no fear not only on the military level but much more on the civilian level....people are ready to die for their dignity now.....just now it shows the difference between before 25 Jan and after

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Old 21.08.2011, 03:22
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militarily, Israel could take Sinai, even all of Egypt, and there isn't anything Egypt could do about it.
Steady on old boy Israel may have (untested) nukes but Egypt has heart plus a regular army of 0.5 million and a conscript army of 18 million who would turn guerilla the moment an Israeli boot sets foot inside the country. There are a lot of these nuke Egypt into oblivion fantasy threads on the net and most are just that.

Also you need to consider the touchpaper effect of hitting a major Arab country when you are surrounded by less than friendly neighbours. Israel would quickly run out of nukes and the ensuing groundswell invasion would be its end.
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Old 21.08.2011, 03:33
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Just for the info #Flagman name is Mustapha Kamel and he's an example of an average Egyptian young who didn't care about his life to just bring a flag down.....do you think the entire Israeli army courage combind can stand against this single man.....obviously not.

As Castro said, Egyptians have enough courage, heart, will and ready to die for their own country.....that's a weapon that Israel definitely doesn't have.....if Israel decided war......they have to fight +20 millions of the same kind of courage if not more.....the only thing i would think of is to nuke us but this means nuke them too as we are so close.
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Old 21.08.2011, 03:36
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

#Flagman is becoming the #1 ranking trend on Twitter as we speak and radio Israel hacked and playing Quran.....things will get very tough soon i guess

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Old 21.08.2011, 04:35
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These arguments sound so playground-ish.

I've never heard ordinary Israelis sound so worried. Nothing good comes from hot-heads.

Israel needs to make friends, not enemies otherwise it might implode. They have much bigger fish to fry than Egypt. It is necessary that they make friends with the Egyptian Military. The Egyptian military might be receptive, they might even quell the anto-Israeli protests of the masses but not if Netanyahu continues will his bull-headed tactics. In about 6 weeks it will be the anniversary of Sadat's anniversary- Keep pushing Egypt; take the bait that Iran and Syria offer you. Of all the brains in Israel they have to pick a schmuck like Netanyahu.

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These arguments sound so playground-ish.

I've never heard ordinary Israelis sound so worried. Nothing good comes from hot-heads.

Israel needs to make friends, not enemies otherwise it might implode. They have much bigger fish to fry than Egypt. It is necessary that they make friends with the Egyptian Military. The Egyptian military might be receptive, they might even quell the anto-Israeli protests of the masses but not if Netanyahu continues will his bull-headed tactics. In about 6 weeks it will be the anniversary of Sadat's anniversary- Keep pushing Egypt; take the bait that Iran and Syria offer you. Of all the brains in Israel they have to pick a schmuck.
It's not about playground-ish really......Mubarak was Israel's muppet for 30 years, he totally degraded the Egyptian identity and insulted us, he did for Israel more than he did for us and what is happening now is a clear message to Israel that things have changed.....we're not Mubarak and we do not accept all the massacres Israel is committing, they want to live in peace, they have to act peacefully, slaughtering kids won't get them no where but confronting Egypt and this is the last thing they wanna do.....result is pretty much obvious before hand

On a side note, Egyptian flag is waving on the consulate in Alexandria too.......i think it's a clear message that people don't want Israeli diplomats anymore in our country and i don't see any outcome but to just pack and leave.....Israel days in Egypt is over.

Cairo Embassy after replacing the flags by #Flagman:

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#Flagman climbing the building and removing the flag:



Just out of curiosity, isn't this considered act of war to attack an embassy?
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I'm on moderator night shift.. what's your excuse?
Do i need an excuse to put on a living Egyptian spiderman
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Old 21.08.2011, 07:01
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Egypt has a chance of true democracy. Other see this as a mess, but having listened to the Johns Hopkins University | Nitze (Paul H.) School of Advanced International Studies I feel differently. Obviously John Hopkins takes a very pro-American stance so I still have to take it with a pinch of salt, but some of what they said seemed to make sense. One of the things they pointed out is that in the Arab Spring you have two types of revolutions, those where the army will not fire on the population (Senegal might be next) and countries where the army will fire on the population.

In Egypt the army did not fire on the people. There is no clear leader but this is not important, the country does not want a single leader, they are trying to build power-sharing this is the way of true democracy. So for a while events might seem chaotic,the good thing is that the people remain optimistic, despite the lack of jobs. If they can topple Muburak they can rebuild. The economic collapse was inevitable, this is a result of revolution. Of course the US is only to happy to help build an America-Israel friendly democracy.

Democracy is possible without the compliance of Israel and the US, but it could be difficult.

The Muslim brotherhood must be included, this is predominantly a Muslim country, why make an enemy of them? Muslims are not adverse to democracy.

Some Zionists feel that they have a god -given sense of entitlement, they think the bomb is the ultimate weapon, it is a mute weapon, if used it will backfire. Those that are quick to draw weapons lack intelligence. I believe that the US still bears the crown for intelligence gathering. There are others in Israel, who would like nothing more than to have a friend in Egypt, for both to be democratic nations.

That's my take, so Mowvich and Pashosh are their own worst enemies. I don't like Netanyahu and his ilk. He is a symbol; not of Israeli strength but of Israeli intransigence. He is an idiot and he has to go. If Israel do not have Egypt who do they have?

I always suspect that those who support Netanyahu are either brainwashed or have invested in his regime, but I don't think that he have the true interests of Israelis at heart. There are the power hungry and greedy in every country, the US hawks and nation-building comes to mind, but what most people want primarily is security, wars are expensive. If Israel achieves real peace with Palestine, where both become sovereign nations, the Israelis deserve to be left in peace.

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Egypt has heart plus a regular army of 0.5 million and a conscript army of 18 million who would turn guerilla the moment an Israeli boot sets foot inside the country.
The Amazing Egyptian army - It cant beat terrorists on it's own ground (see Al Arish, for example), can't win conventional wars, but can metamorphose to Guerrilla instantly. What else can it change to ?

The Egyptian army is run by people who got rich setting up businesses which should belong the Egyptian people (and Sinai beduin). see here.

These people stand to lose a lot of money if a war broke out - their lovely hotels are already suffering since the "revolution".

The likelihood of a war is thankfully low. Once the MB take over the risk will be higher.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Mabye this will make it clear to you Pashosh

Israel must maintain neighborly relations with Egypt

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P.S: I think you also consider that the Egyptian army is actually the minimum you should care about now when talking about Egypt......it's all about civilians now.
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Mabye this will make it clear to you Pashosh

Israel must maintain neighborly relations with Egypt



P.S: I think you also consider that the Egyptian army is actually the minimum you should care about now when talking about Egypt......it's all about civilians now.
I agree - Israel should maintain neighborly relations with Egypt. and vice versa.

Let the two nations conduct a serious investigation and see what happened, before jumping into conclusions and climbing tall trees (or buildings).

Your statement of "Israel days in Egypt is over" was a bit premature, wasn't it ?
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