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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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You forgot promising never to steal the nile, send trained sharks & export shampoo that causes impotence.

Allowing weapon smuggling, cross border terror attacks and burning the Israeli embassy are signs of where Egypt is heading.

Israel gave Sinai to Egypt twice, don't count on the third time.
I asked you about 5 facts, you reply with totally un-constructive answers and act as if Israel / Jews are victims.....same old same old, Israelis won't ever change their V.V (Victim / Violence) attitude, always starts with kicked out of Arab lands / Holocaust and ends up by slautering kids and families A.K.A Bahr El Baqar, Sabra and Shatila, Khan Younis and much more
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After all the bloodbath and massacres commited by Israelis for the past 70 years, this photo doesn't make sense at all, sorry.
Why ? It is obvious that the people in the picture belong to a vast part of the Israeli population, possible a clear majority even, who want peace and are in favour of practical solutions. Add to this that they most likely are opposed towards Prime Minister Netanyahu.
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Allowing weapon smuggling, cross border terror attacks and burning the Israeli embassy are signs of where Egypt is heading.
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<> Weapon smuggling is hardly allowed by Egypt, even if taking place
<> Cross border terror attacks are definitely NOT allowed by Egypt
<> Egypt did NOT allow the burning of the Israeli embassy

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Egypt is more inclined to indulge in Antisemitic conspiracy theories than to try to advance from it's misrable existence.
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<> Egypt to indulge into anti-Jewish conspiracy theories ?
<> Egypt not trying to advance its economy ?
- hardly true what you claim

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When the people realise that the revolution left them poorer and with less friends, you can expect more violence in Egypt - but don't expect democracy.
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Civil unrest of any kind generally damages the economy, not only in Egypt. Sure, Egypt lost out in the tourism seasons of 2011, but the latest reports from the tourism industry show that Egypt is top placed already in the winter programs. Egyptian industry did not suffer from the upheaval.
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I do not quite see why democracy is not to be expected

Sure, the leaders of the Egypt of the future will have to prove whether they achieve more than Hosni Mubarak did
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Why ? It is obvious that the people in the picture belong to a vast part of the Israeli population, possible a clear majority even, who want peace and are in favour of practical solutions. Add to this that they most likely are opposed towards Prime Minister Netanyahu.
That's my point, if they really feel this way, then they should act to bring government to reflect this rather than standing with signs in the streets.

Guess we know very well this is all a move to try to show the world how innocent is Israel, well guess what, no one really cares unless they have the appropriate actions to change the situation, the world don't buy their innocent, victim like sweet words anymore
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I asked you about 5 facts, you reply with totally un-constructive answers and act as if Israel / Jews are victims.....same old same old, Israelis won't ever change their V.V (Victim / Violence) attitude, always starts with kicked out of Arab lands / Holocaust and ends up by slautering kids and families A.K.A Bahr El Baqar, Sabra and Shatila, Khan Younis and much more
Your post, as usual, had very little to do with the truth. At best you can find something in wikipedia with "[citation needed]"

In Any case - If Egypt really cared about human rights, it wouldn't have accepted Erdogan. Egypt killed, tortured and injoured many more civilians than Israel ever did (Chemical weapons in Yemen, oppressing the Gazans etc). Egypt stole Jewish property and expelled the jews. Hardly a country that can claim it cares about human right.

Egypt's economy depends heavily on the peace with Israel - Tourism, traffic in the Suez canal, Gas & oil export. All of them will suffer greatly if Egypt decides to abandon peace with Israel.

Wollishofener:
1. The weapon smuggling into Gaza can be stopped by Egypt. didn't happen yet
2. The Terrorist attacks from Egypt can be stopped by Egypt. didn't happen yet (last attack from Sinai on Israeli troops was last week).
3. Stopping Gas supply to Israel 5 times in the last year could be stopped by Egypt.
4. Egypt could have stopped the burning of the Israeli embassy. The soldiers and police just stood there letting it happen.
5. Mowvich provided examples of Egyptian conspiracy theories about Israel malevolenece. He actually beleives them, as no doubt other even less educated Egyptians do.
6. If Egypt wants to have a tourist industry the first thing it needs to do is to provide security for the tourists. Attacks in Sinai show that Egypt has not achieved that yet.
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Old 17.09.2011, 15:19
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

All your points can be validated once Camp David treaty is modified or cancelled, if we don't have a full control on Sinai, we cannot really do anything about it, on the other hand, you had much more IDF forces on the other side of the border, why they didn't do their job, attacks happened in your territory not ours.

Take a real life example, gangs come from bordering France to steal in Geneva, did the Swiss moan about it or they just did their jobs within their territory and once they cross the borders, they contact french authorities??

Finally, i don't believe in any conspiracy theories, Israel's history is so bad to make it even credible, i can put you a full 58 massacres transcripts that happened since 1946 till now, they're just 1 click away

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Your post, as usual, had very little to do with the truth.

In Any case - If Egypt really cared about human rights, it wouldn't have accepted Erdogan. Egypt killed, tortured and injoured many more civilians than Israel ever did (Chemical weapons in Yemen, oppressing the Gazans etc). Egypt stole Jewish property and expelled the jews. Hardly a country that can claim it cares about human right.

Egypt's economy depends heavily on the peace with Israel - Tourism, traffic in the Suez canal, Gas & oil export. All of them will suffer greatly if Egypt decides to abandon peace with Israel.

Wollishofener:
1. The weapon smuggling into Gaza can be stopped by Egypt. didn't happen yet
2. The Terrorist attacks from Egypt can be stopped by Egypt. didn't happen yet (last attack from Sinai on Israeli troops was last week).
3. Stopping Gas supply to Israel 5 times in the last year could be stopped by Egypt.
4. Egypt could have stopped the burning of the Israeli embassy. The soldiers and police just stood there letting it happen.
5. Mowvich provided examples of Egyptian conspiracy theories about Israel malevolenece. He actually beleives them, as no doubt other even less educated Egyptians do.
6. If Egypt wants to have a tourist industry the first thing it needs to do is to provide security for the tourists. Attacks in Sinai show that Egypt has not achieved that yet.
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Old 17.09.2011, 15:47
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All your points can be validated once Camp David treaty is modified or cancelled, if we don't have a full control on Sinai, we cannot really do anything about it, on the other hand, you had much more IDF forces on the other side of the border, why they didn't do their job, attacks happened in your territory not ours.

Take a real life example, gangs come from bordering France to steal in Geneva, did the Swiss moan about it or they just did their jobs within their territory and once they cross the borders, they contact french authorities??

Finally, i don't believe in any conspiracy theories, Israel's history is so bad to make it even credible, i can put you a full 58 massacres transcripts that happened since 1946 till now, they're just 1 click away
Israel allowed Egypt to increase it's forces in Sinai by thousands of soldiers, these soliders failed to stop attacks FROM egypt into Israel. The Israeli army fought the terrorists then and was shot at FROM egypt.

When an Egyptian soldier murdered an entire Israeli family he was regarded as a hero in Egypt.

If French armed gangs would murder Swiss civilians and kill Swiss soldiers - would the French burn the Swiss embassy becasue the swiss shot back ?

Do the French would have torture and rape camps for people trying to get into Switzerland ? Egypt does.

Egypt is living in a glass house yet insists on throwing stones.
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Old 18.09.2011, 00:08
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Honestly, some nice people right there, love their spirit and i'm not being sarcastic





Chill out Pashosh....i just enjoy teasing you
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Honestly, some nice people right there, love their spirit and i'm not being sarcastic

Chill out Pashosh....i just enjoy teasing you
Just like when you were saying that Egypt will be democracy...
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That's my point, if they really feel this way, then they should act to bring government to reflect this rather than standing with signs in the streets.

Guess we know very well this is all a move to try to show the world how innocent is Israel, well guess what, no one really cares unless they have the appropriate actions to change the situation, the world don't buy their innocent, victim like sweet words anymore
To "bring down" a government in a democratic country needs to win elections. To "stad around with signs on the street" is a way to mobilize public opinion against the government.

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Your post, as usual, had very little to do with the truth. At best you can find something in wikipedia with "[citation needed]"

In Any case - If Egypt really cared about human rights, it wouldn't have accepted Erdogan. Egypt killed, tortured and injoured many more civilians than Israel ever did (Chemical weapons in Yemen, oppressing the Gazans etc). Egypt stole Jewish property and expelled the jews. Hardly a country that can claim it cares about human right.

Egypt's economy depends heavily on the peace with Israel - Tourism, traffic in the Suez canal, Gas & oil export. All of them will suffer greatly if Egypt decides to abandon peace with Israel.

Wollishofener:
1. The weapon smuggling into Gaza can be stopped by Egypt. didn't happen yet
2. The Terrorist attacks from Egypt can be stopped by Egypt. didn't happen yet (last attack from Sinai on Israeli troops was last week).
3. Stopping Gas supply to Israel 5 times in the last year could be stopped by Egypt.
4. Egypt could have stopped the burning of the Israeli embassy. The soldiers and police just stood there letting it happen.
5. Mowvich provided examples of Egyptian conspiracy theories about Israel malevolenece. He actually beleives them, as no doubt other even less educated Egyptians do.
6. If Egypt wants to have a tourist industry the first thing it needs to do is to provide security for the tourists. Attacks in Sinai show that Egypt has not achieved that yet.
1) No, it cannot, as such a stop would stop also the smuggling in of stuf really NEEDED by the population. This is a problem created by Israel which for a relatively short while supported Hamas as a tool against the PLO and then went Hamas became heavy suddenly went beserk about them
2) the Egyptian Police in recenty years was not able to stop terrorism getting over via the Sinaï from the Peninsula to Sharm-el-Sheikh or even into Egypt-Mainland, and so I cannot quite see why the same "force" suddenly should be able to stop such forces to act against Israel. You cannot complain against the weaknessess of the Egyptian security forces on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and then expect the same chaps to do good work on the other days
4) That Egypt was unable to do so was clearly obvious by all news reports, so that your attempt to portray them as the most seriously competent police force lacks credibility
5) The Egyptian love for the wildest conspiracy theories is not new. Just look at the career of Hassanein Heikal !
6) this still is a big problem. I hope they get it under control by late October when the new season start

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once Camp David treaty is modified or cancelled
If the Egyptian leadership wants to have the Peace Treaty amended they have to speak with the Israeli leadership about it, as it is an Egyptiian-Israeli treaty which only can be altered if both sides agree.

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Israel allowed Egypt to increase it's forces in Sinai by thousands of soldiers, these soliders failed to stop attacks FROM egypt into Israel. The Israeli army fought the terrorists then and was shot at FROM egypt.
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Soldiers cannot stop terrorist attacks anywhere. Soldiers are employees of a conventional army , and with the exception of some special units , are not educated and trained for the special tasks in question

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Old 19.09.2011, 16:27
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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"When we reached the prison, we were forced to take off all of our clothes, stand naked on our fingertips and lean our heads to the wall, while informers and policemen beat us with sticks on our backs, slapping and insulting us for about three hours under the supervision of the police officers,” source.

Interesting: people were not arrested for attacking the Israeli embassy, rather "Attacking the directorate’s building and setting fire to 56 police cars".

There are claims of over 1000 injured protestors.

The Muslim brothers now threaten American Embassies (The American flag was already taken down in the American University).
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

I think if you read my recent posts, you'll understand we're now against SCAF and it's practices, therefore we're applying pressures on them to stop Military Trials, Emergency Laws, reform judges, announce the elections dates.....we won't fall for what Egyptians fell for 1952, we're after them till they're out and back to their daily jobs, we will choose our own president and he won't be a ruler nor a muppet, just plain elected president.

For the AUC incident, before you jump to conclusions, you might want to know what Liza (The B**ch dean as we call her) have done, she totally ignored, insulted and threatened the employees and students, therefore they brought the flag down which is against Liz not US.

What you (Of Course) didn't look at is the positive results, the Israeli embassy incident worked internally, SCAF announced parliamentary elections dates, cancelled military trials and now we're pushing on the emergency law to be stopped, and on the foreign front, Israel knows now what they're dealing with and it's not the same reactions as Mubarak's Era.

On the AUC front, today Liz T.B.D, announced that the minimum salary for staff in the AUC is being raised effective immediately from 400 L.E to min. 1500 L.E, 275% raise for bringing a flag down is not a bad deal.

It's our country and we know how to play with our powers, and as i always say "Extreme circumstances requires extreme measures"

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"When we reached the prison, we were forced to take off all of our clothes, stand naked on our fingertips and lean our heads to the wall, while informers and policemen beat us with sticks on our backs, slapping and insulting us for about three hours under the supervision of the police officers,” source.

Interesting: people were not arrested for attacking the Israeli embassy, rather "Attacking the directorate’s building and setting fire to 56 police cars".

There are claims of over 1000 injured protestors.

The Muslim brothers now threaten American Embassies (The American flag was already taken down in the American University).
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I think if you read my recent posts, you'll understand we're now against SCAF and it's practices, therefore we're applying pressures on them to stop Military Trials, Emergency Laws, reform judges, announce the elections dates.....we won't fall for what Egyptians fell for 1952, we're after them till they're out and back to their daily jobs, we will choose our own president and he won't be a ruler nor a muppet, just plain elected president.
Finally something which makes sense.

You see - you can be realistic when you want.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Sounds positive; anybody know if this is a true report?
"Egypt's foreign minister has sought to allay concerns about worsening relations between Cairo and Jerusalem by pledging to respect the Camp David accords. In an interview with AP, Mohamed Amr, said Egypt would honour the 1979 peace treaty with Israel."
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Sounds positive; anybody know if this is a true report?
"Egypt's foreign minister has sought to allay concerns about worsening relations between Cairo and Jerusalem by pledging to respect the Camp David accords. In an interview with AP, Mohamed Amr, said Egypt would honour the 1979 peace treaty with Israel."
Talk is cheap. His government already failed to secure the border, supply gas and protect the Israeli embassy.

So much for honoring agreements.
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Talk is cheap. His government already failed to secure the border, supply gas and protect the Israeli embassy.

So much for honoring agreements.
Israel flatters itself if it thinks the Egyptian transitional gov hasn't got more pressing issues on its plate.
The best Israel can do right now is sit tight until the situation stabilises... Oh, and stop killing Egyptian soldiers
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Israel flatters itself if it thinks the Egyptian transitional gov hasn't got more pressing issues on its plate.
The best Israel can do right now is sit tight until the situation stabilises... Oh, and stop killing Egyptian soldiers
Why shouldn't Israel shoot back ? no one disputes that the terrorist attack came from Egypt (and not for the first time, either). You seem to care more about the Terrorists (see the Maramara incident) than about Israeli civilians
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You seem to care more about the Terrorists (see the Maramara incident) than about Israeli civilians
How you manage to deduce terrorist sympathies from a recommendation to stop killing the soldiers of your friends is beyond me

I hereby plead the 5th
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Israel flatters itself if it thinks the Egyptian transitional gov hasn't got more pressing issues on its plate.
The best Israel can do right now is sit tight until the situation stabilises... Oh, and stop killing Egyptian soldiers
Only Israel is ever at fault because:
1. It's a democracy, the other countries in the region are dictatorships, it should know better (it's OK for dictatorships to do whatever they like, clearly) except when:
2. The country is a new democracy/has just thrown off it's dictatorial shackles. Clearly, not only must one be a democracy to shoulder blame, but that democracy needs to be an old one.

Israel should stop killing Egyptian soldiers, that's true. But please, next time you write that, for the sake of balance, just also write that the Egyptians should respect foreign embassies.
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How you manage to deduce terrorist sympathies from a recommendation to stop killing the soldiers of your friends is beyond me

I hereby plead the 5th
Deduction, based on facts for the benefit of Castro:

1. Terrorists attack FROM egypt, at an area under constant supervision of the Egyptian Army.
2. Israeli civilians are targeted and killed. Israeli soliders shot at and killed by terrorists.
3. Israeli army responds, shooting BACK. Terrorists & Egyptian army are killed. some terrorists escape to Egypt. Egyptian army fails to capture them.

Castro blames Israel for shooting "the soldiers of your friends".
Castro doesn't blame Egypt for allowing terrorist attacks from Egypt.

Deductions:

Castro has friends who shoot at him or Casto will always blame Israel, regardless of the facts. maybe both.

Reminder: Egypt is still a military dictatorship.
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