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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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...Shafik (SCAF / NDP Candidate) has been financed by the wife of Ahmed Ezz (NDP political committee leader currently in prison) to rig the elections to Shafik....
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My personal opinion is, this revolution won't succeed until the old regime members and NDP leaders are executed......as long as those people are alive, no steps forward will be possible unfortunately
Conspiracies & murder threats - from someone who is supposed to be on the "liberal" side.

Dark days ahead for Egypt.
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Old 29.05.2012, 21:40
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The dissolved NDP leaders called for meeting 48 hours prior the elections and Shafik (SCAF / NDP Candidate) has been financed by the wife of Ahmed Ezz (NDP political committee leader currently in prison) to rig the elections to Shafik....the old regime is pushing to build itself again and strike back while MB are standing in confrontation, both the revolutionary candidates Sabahi and Fotoh had +8 million votes which is 35% of the total voters, which is basically over both Shafik & Morsi....which means majority of the voters wanted change but votes were divided between both.

As we speak, people took the streets in Tahrir and 8 governorates and more will be taking the streets in the coming days.....second round of the revolution is planned and this time it can be much more violant and bloody

My personal opinion is, this revolution won't succeed until the old regime members and NDP leaders are executed......as long as those people are alive, no steps forward will be possible unfortunately
I do not believe that mass executions of members of the old regime can be a good solution. That many people are angry, alright, but Shafiq quite obviously got quite many votes, and may become the winner in the final.

And if people who are not content with election results turn to violence and rioting, it is rather deplorable.
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I do not believe that mass executions of members of the old regime can be a good solution. That many people are angry, alright, but Shafiq quite obviously got quite many votes, and may become the winner in the final.

And if people who are not content with election results turn to violence and rioting, it is rather deplorable.
You should see the people in the streets rather than reading the news.....everyone is depressed and in shock, there have been an addition of 4 million voters in the database comparing to the version of the Parliament elections and they're not justified at all....Ex-NDP are currently holding meetings daily and i suspect Mubarak will be declared innocent of all crimes on Saturday
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Conspiracies & murder threats - from someone who is supposed to be on the "liberal" side.

Dark days ahead for Egypt.
It isn't dark days for France now
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Old 31.05.2012, 12:53
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It isn't dark days for France now
And your point is that Egypt is now where France was 1787 ? public sanitation is similar, I'll grant you that.
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You should see the people in the streets rather than reading the news.....everyone is depressed and in shock, there have been an addition of 4 million voters in the database comparing to the version of the Parliament elections and they're not justified at all....Ex-NDP are currently holding meetings daily and i suspect Mubarak will be declared innocent of all crimes on Saturday
Parliamentary elections and Presidential elections always differ. Not just in Egypt ! In Switzerland and the USA, there even are heavy differences between the elections for Senate/Ständerat and House-of-Representatives/Nationalrat

If you however think that Marshal Tantawi plays a role, you have my understanding. I am a bit astonished to see that Amr Moussa in a way "disappeared" giving way to airforce general Shafik. BUT, possibly quite many of your countrymen now want a correction to the parliamentary elections, and General Shafik may be their choice

Again, over the past 50 years there have been heaps of such things in the USA and in Switzerland, two countries generally regarded as fairly democratic, to express it moderately

So that the question rather is : Would Mr Shafik be a bad president ? Or is it just that the Muslim Brotherhood is frustrated by NOT seeing their candidate convincingly leading the field. While it is possible that their candidate will win it is also possible that Mr Shafik will become the President Elect of Egypt.

The other question : where is the Wafd-Party ?
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And your point is that Egypt is now where France was 1787 ? public sanitation is similar, I'll grant you that.
A) How often have you travelled in Egypt in between 1976 and now ? And have you travelled in France in the 1960ies
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Parliamentary elections and Presidential elections always differ. Not just in Egypt ! In Switzerland and the USA, there even are heavy differences between the elections for Senate/Ständerat and House-of-Representatives/Nationalrat
We had 4.6 million extra votes and the elections committee protected by ART. 28 in SCAF's Constitutional Referendum claims it was a mistake, this mistake is why Shafik won, we checked the lists extracted from the DB and there were names of dead people even the famous Khalid Said was in the lists + army & police personals which don't have rights to vote, we submitted objections and all were refused, only objection accepted was Shafik's

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If you however think that Marshal Tantawi plays a role, you have my understanding. I am a bit astonished to see that Amr Moussa in a way "disappeared" giving way to airforce general Shafik. BUT, possibly quite many of your countrymen now want a correction to the parliamentary elections, and General Shafik may be their choice
Moussa lost after the disastrous debate with Abu El Fotoh which totally destroyed both of them as they didn't debate their programs and what they're offering, they just kept exchanging accusations + Moussa had a very arrogant attitude in all his speechs which people didn't like

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So that the question rather is : Would Mr Shafik be a bad president ? Or is it just that the Muslim Brotherhood is frustrated by NOT seeing their candidate convincingly leading the field. While it is possible that their candidate will win it is also possible that Mr Shafik will become the President Elect of Egypt.
Shafik have +35 accusations against him in courts for misusing public funds and corruption which no one is investigating since over a year....in addition, the parliament approved the Political isolation law which applies on ex-regime and NDP but the higher constitutional court (Led by Farouk Sultan who was assigned by Mubarak, rigged all Mubarak elections before and he's the head of the current elections committee) is pending it post elections

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The other question : where is the Wafd-Party ?
They're still barking as usual since Badawy led them.....all they're doing is slashing the MB's in their Dostor news paper on daily basis

I made a decision to vote MB.....all political forces are meeting tomorrow to sign a National Convention to guarantee that all will support them and to insure that if they win, the distribution of power and the future constitution are compliant and serves all Egyptians + they won't hold more than 1 electoral period of 4 years
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Old 02.06.2012, 12:54
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We had 4.6 million extra votes and the elections committee protected by ART. 28 in SCAF's Constitutional Referendum claims it was a mistake, this mistake is why Shafik won, we checked the lists extracted from the DB and there were names of dead people even the famous Khalid Said was in the lists + army & police personals which don't have rights to vote, we submitted objections and all were refused, only objection accepted was Shafik's
Well, to have "votes" of dead people for decades was a problem in Italy and of course is bad. But to mention Switzerland the USA again. Law enforcers and soldiers/officers of the armed forces in both countries have a guaranteed right to elect and to vote and to be elected.

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Moussa lost after the disastrous debate with Abu El Fotoh which totally destroyed both of them as they didn't debate their programs and what they're offering, they just kept exchanging accusations + Moussa had a very arrogant attitude in all his speechs which people didn't like
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Mr Moussa then apparently a bit too long was in political office


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Shafik have +35 accusations against him in courts for misusing public funds and corruption which no one is investigating since over a year....in addition, the parliament approved the Political isolation law which applies on ex-regime and NDP but the higher constitutional court (Led by Farouk Sultan who was assigned by Mubarak, rigged all Mubarak elections before and he's the head of the current elections committee) is pending it post elections
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Many politicians have accusations against them, but they do not count as long as there is neither proof nor a sentence
- a ban against a former party and all members of a former regime is morally wrong, even if approved by a parliament. It looks like an attempt to improve things by replacing former INjustice with new INjustice.
-- if he rigged those elections in the Mubarak time, he now can be expected to go his way again. Have the provincial governors been REPLACED in the meantime ? Or are they still the same officers/officials who were in place in the old time ? Do they still report directly to the Acting President ?


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They're still barking as usual since Badawy led them.....all they're doing is slashing the MB's in their Dostor news paper on daily basis
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Which means that they failed to re-establish a real political role ? Or have lots of them joined the MB ?

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I made a decision to vote MB.....all political forces are meeting tomorrow to sign a National Convention to guarantee that all will support them and to insure that if they win, the distribution of power and the future constitution are compliant and serves all Egyptians + they won't hold more than 1 electoral period of 4 years
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How fundamentalist is the MB actually ?
And do you really trust them to be democratic ?
Can a pledge of them for a "distribution of power" be trusted ?
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Old 02.06.2012, 19:04
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Just to cut way short, after the life sentence conviction of Mubarak & his Ministry of interior and release of all the MOI assistants + both Mubarak sons, millions are taking back the streets all over the country to refuse this whole theoretical act that have been going for 1.5 year.

It feels like 25 Jan again and this time all Egyptians are furious

Map for all protest tracks planned towards Tahrir Sq. can HERE

Tahrir






Ultras White Nights Entering Tahrir in thousands


Alexandria



Suez

Sharkeia, Demiatta, Port Said, Mansoura, Suez, Ismaelia are all in and the momentum is growing again, SCAF screwed up working with the old regime and this helped to revive the revolution....WE'RE BACK AGAIN & I'm back to Egypt on the next flight

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

go via Paris - maybe they will let you use the Guillotine. You don't want to be like the Libyans who stabbed their ex-dic in the ar&e. But hurry up: Mubarak had an heart attack and may die before you get to him.

Don't forget to vote for the MB - it will be the last free vote for a long time.

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go via Paris - maybe they will let you use the Guillotine. You don't want to be like the Libyans who stabbed their ex-dic in the ar&e. But hurry up: Mubarak had an heart attack and may die before you get to him.

Don't forget to vote for the MB - it will be the last free vote for a long time.
Dude, you seriously need to see a shrink to get over your hate to Egypt & Egyptians
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Old 02.06.2012, 23:50
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Dude, you seriously need to see a shrink to get over your hate to Egypt & Egyptians
Didn't you say a few days ago

"My personal opinion is, this revolution won't succeed until the old regime members and NDP leaders are executed."

Unfortunately, my predictions of Egypt's trajectory turned out more accurate than yours so far.

A year from now Egypt's economy will be even worse from now, relations with the US, Israel & europe severly damaged and women rights at similar level to Iran's. you will miss Mubarak's era.
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Dude, you seriously need to see a shrink to get over your hate to Egypt & Egyptians
Let's be realistic, there are many people in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel and Egypt who hate the other side, particularily if they are born before 1955 or even longer back. So that it is well possible that he does hate Egypt.

BUT also people who love your home-country are rather concerned. Look at Iran where people wanted to get rid of the Emperor and were told by the clericalists to relax etc, but have moved under a rather more totalitarian rule than before 1979. Now, after 33 years they still are under the iron fist of them. In Gaza, Hamas came to power on the basis of a protest vote against the corrupt PLO, but since then Hamas does not even consider new elections.

BUT look to Turkey, where Mr Erdogan and his party are respecting democracy. When he became prime-minister, many people concluded that Turkey now had become a fundamentalist country. This is the reason why I ask about the MB in Egypt.

Mubarak ? Best for Egypt would be if the old general passed away within days and his two sons departed to Fiji. Or at least to Malta .... just as King Farouk in 1952

Presidents Nasr, Sadat and Mubarak ? Look things up in the famous book of Anwar Sadat "Revolt on the Nile" (German title "Aegyptische Revolution") where you can read that the "Nasserites" had "democratic" ideals. Well, I first visited Egypt in 1975 when I saw what in my mind was a "developing country" (Entwicklungsland in German) and last time in 2002. And 3 times in between. And was impressed by the clearly apparent and undisputable progress. But Egypt which in about 1970 had LESS than 20 mio people now has 80 mio (?) people (plus some 10 mio Egyptians in Western Europe ) which means that the population has quadrupled within less than half a century. Switzerland in the same time has not even doubled its population, just to give a comparison. Similar things apply to most Arab countries. And this means that those Arab rulers, from Hassan II / M-VI over Houari Boumediène/AbdelAziz Bouteflika to Nasr/Sadat/Mubarak to Kings Hussein and Abdullah-al-Hussein and Ali Adbullah Saleh in Sana'a have done some quite remarkable work. YES, most of them had a serious deficit in regard to democracy but you as an Egyptian of course now that Egypt had a powerless but democratically elected parliament in the times of the Kingdom of Egypt.

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Didn't you say a few days ago

"My personal opinion is, this revolution won't succeed until the old regime members and NDP leaders are executed."

Unfortunately, my predictions of Egypt's trajectory turned out more accurate than yours so far.

A year from now Egypt's economy will be even worse from now, relations with the US, Israel & europe severly damaged and women rights at similar level to Iran's. you will miss Mubarak's era.
While I much hope that you will be proven WRONG, I fear that you get proven correct As however many of your predictions also were wrong, I try to stay optimist and hope for the best
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4 days full house all over the country streets and squares....so peaceful demonstrations, no security forces stopping anyone and specified demands called for by all.......Egyptians are not giving up on their country nor dreams....that's something for sure
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4 days full house all over the country streets and squares....so peaceful demonstrations, no security forces stopping anyone and specified demands called for by all.......Egyptians are not giving up on their country nor dreams....that's something for sure

Egyptians watch out: spies are everywhere. New from Mowvich's spy catching friends:

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Egyptians watch out: spies are everywhere. New from Mowvich's spy catching friends:

But the broadcast you present here is/was done by the regime of Marshal Tantawi
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And your point is?
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And your point is?
in case your question is directed at me, there is no point in the way of your question except that the propaganda film was launched by the Marshal Tantawi regime, who Mowvich is opposed against

A particular problem in Egypt of course is that the provincial governors are under the direct command of the acting president in Cairo and for sure mostly are high-ranking officers
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... the propaganda film was launched by the Marshal Tantawi regime, who Mowvich is opposed against
Mowvich was very proud of his friends catching the same kind of "spies" last year. Maybe he changed his mind (or his friends, or both).
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