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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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Over 420 people killed yesterday...is Egypt on the verge of civil war?

Back in the 1950ies, when the "Free Officers" were attacked by the Muslim Brotherhood and then took power in full.
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Old 15.08.2013, 17:12
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Yeah! Where is Mowvich and all the "its not a coup, its a popular uprising" talk?

Unfortunately, and I hope ppl who previously supported the coup have revised their opinion, I have found on social media that a helluva lot of middle class Egyptians have been insanely supportive of the army to the degree that they are putting up messages in support of the killings. Really shocking, shocking inhumane stuff, like the Doctor who said that if an MB supporter was brought to her hospital, she'd kill him rather than treat him.

Anyway, not that this is a surprise at all, here is footage of an egyptian officer putting on civilian clothes before taking up his gun again...

Most people both inside and outside of Egypt who supported the coup were and are fully aware that it means military rule. But military rule leaves hope of a medium or long term move towards democracy while rule by theocrats as in Iran does NOT.

So that the military is the lesser evil
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But military rule leaves hope of a medium or long term move towards democracy while rule by theocrats as in Iran does NOT.

So that the military is the lesser evil
LOL! "Military rule leaves hope of a medium or long term move towards democracy" you say. Have you forgotten how long Egypt had military rule before 2011? Decades and decades! Did you see democracy on the horizon under Mubarak? And while the bloodbath was underway yesterday do you know that 15 governors were installed, 13 of which were drawn from the army? Does that sound like a short, medium or long-term move towards democracy??

But the moment the Islamist-flavoured party comes to power, its time to pull out the old "they'll turn into anti-democracy nutters like the Iranians" card (while conveniently ignoring the fact that the Islamists came to power after winning a number of votes).
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Old 15.08.2013, 18:54
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There are plenty of examples of Military rule which gave way to democracy, but as far as I know, theocratic goverments never did.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Obama has broken his vacation to condemn the violence, but is under pressure to stop funding of the army. However much some may not like it I said at the beginning of this thread that El Baradei would be president so now he's vice president, but he will never be far from the center of power.
The US should threaten to quit funding the army, all joint exercises are already on hold.
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LOL! "Military rule leaves hope of a medium or long term move towards democracy" you say. Have you forgotten how long Egypt had military rule before 2011? Decades and decades! Did you see democracy on the horizon under Mubarak? And while the bloodbath was underway yesterday do you know that 15 governors were installed, 13 of which were drawn from the army? Does that sound like a short, medium or long-term move towards democracy??

But the moment the Islamist-flavoured party comes to power, its time to pull out the old "they'll turn into anti-democracy nutters like the Iranians" card (while conveniently ignoring the fact that the Islamists came to power after winning a number of votes).
The Islamists came to power on the back of a protest vote. But, just as in Iran, people did not expect them to try to impose total and absolute rule, but to govern in a democratic way which they did not. And YES there WAS democracy on the horizon in the days of both Sadat and Mubarak. A new military rulership will not have such a long life as the Nasserite Revolution
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

We Booked our Holiday Last yr to go to Egypt in October this yr Need advice Should we cancel People are Telling me different Things
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Old 15.08.2013, 20:39
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We Booked our Holiday Last yr to go to Egypt in October this yr Need advice Should we cancel People are Telling me different Things
Red sea resort?
You should be fine, there is sufficient police and military presence to ensure the safety of tourists.
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And YES there WAS democracy on the horizon in the days of both Sadat and Mubarak.
If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell to you.

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A new military rulership will not have such a long life as the Nasserite Revolution
Let me restate (and its a correction of what I said earlier), 25 governors were instated today: 17 of them were army Generals, and 2 were major-generals from the Police. How can this be seen in any other way than the Army solidifying its control?
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We Booked our Holiday Last yr to go to Egypt in October this yr Need advice Should we cancel People are Telling me different Things
This might be of help: http://www.theguardian.com/travel/20...sharm-el-sheik
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Old 15.08.2013, 23:17
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Let me restate (and its a correction of what I said earlier), 25 governors were instated today: 17 of them were army Generals, and 2 were major-generals from the Police. How can this be seen in any other way than the Army solidifying its control?
It is what I expected. The military leadership is to take over. And this in reality even may be the best for the country, at least for a while
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

I think there are at least 638 people (and their families) who would disagree....
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I think there are at least 638 people (and their families) who would disagree....

A look at Egyptian history of the past 250 years makes this figure rather minor. Beside the point that I personally rather trust in the military than in religiously motivated folks
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A look at Egyptian history of the past 250 years makes this figure rather minor. Beside the point that I personally rather trust in the military than in religiously motivated folks
A far better model would be to allow democracy to take its course, let Morsi serve his 4 year term and then be voted out if he fails to deliver on his promises. That way the military would have a clear mandate to step in and restore democracy if once defeated he refuses to step down.... and the whole world would applaud them for it (including me).
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A look at Egyptian history of the past 250 years makes this figure rather minor. Beside the point that I personally rather trust in the military than in religiously motivated folks
So much for democracy then, eh? great when its our guy who wins, but no problem suspending it when its the guy we don't like.
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A far better model would be to allow democracy to take its course, let Morsi serve his 4 year term and then be voted out if he fails to deliver on his promises. That way the military would have a clear mandate to step in and restore democracy if once defeated he refuses to step down.... and the whole world would applaud them for it (including me).
Morsi got 51% of the vote- a very narrow margin, democracy was allowed to take its course. The coup happened it was said because Morsi did not stick who did not vote for him. He introduced religion, Muslim rule and divided the Egyptians. Now Egypt will turn to Civil War, which of course would be to the satisfaction of Netanyahu. Soon the Morsi supporters will start burning churches. Unless El Baradei is elected.
Personally I think that the US should stop funding the Egyptian government.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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the Morsi supporters will start burning churches
Do you actually have any proof of this, or are you just repeating the propaganda of Gen Sisi and his puppet government? The only reliable fact is that the decades long persecution of Christians happened under Mubarek's watch, and it is these same thugs who are now in charge.
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Do you actually have any proof of this, or are you just repeating the propaganda of Gen Sisi and his puppet government? The only reliable fact is that the decades long persecution of Christians happened under Mubarek's watch, and it is these same thugs who are now in charge.
It seems like I was a tad too late in my prediction; it's already happening- if you believe this report. I don't know if it is authentic or not. BUt the Coptic 'pope' had already fled into hiding due to death threats. http://www.pravmir.com/egypts-muslim...-hour-rampage/
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Red sea resort?
You should be fine, there is sufficient police and military presence to ensure the safety of tourists.
Here is the official Foreign Office advice:

Red Sea Resort areas

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In the governorate of South Sinai the FCO advise against all but essential travel, with the exception of (i) the Red Sea Resorts including those in the entire region of Sharm el Sheikh, Taba, Nuweiba and Dahab; (ii) the St Catherine’s Monastery World Heritage Site; (iii) road travel between the Red Sea resorts; (iv) road travel from the Red Sea resorts to St Catherine’s Monastery approaching from the east; and (v) transfers between the resorts and the airports of Taba and Sharm el Sheikh.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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