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Old 17.08.2013, 21:40
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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I phoned again, she is not going until October, but is going to Hurghada not Sharm el Shiekh. She told me "I'm not paranoid like you Americans. Today was an angry day in Egypt, but things will calm down, if the plane flies I'm getting on it-you've become way too paranoid"
Already one death in Hurghada.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23730016

I'm curious as to why the Germans are getting their holidays cancelled and not the British when the governmental advice is the same: Don't go to Egypt unless absolutely necessary - which holidays aren't.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Some people have been destroying the inside of museum and stole important historical pieces.
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Old 17.08.2013, 21:57
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Already one death in Hurghada.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23730016

I'm curious as to why the Germans are getting their holidays cancelled and not the British when the governmental advice is the same: Don't go to Egypt unless absolutely necessary - which holidays aren't.
Also on the FCO website. There is trouble in the areas previously avised as safe for tourists:

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https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt
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Old 17.08.2013, 22:02
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

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The US is already party to a massacre and coup when it allowed Mubarak to be removed after supporting him for decades. What did they think would happen? Stable democracy? Just like in Iraq?

You either support a dictator or you don't. If you do, you don't just wash your hands one day and go "nu-uh, not my problem anymore. " This is what happens.
Well. that was Bush and this is Obama, although I have had some serious doubts about Obama recently. Dictators are disposable, we have the power to make you and the power to take you out, the Shah found that out.
Anyway, I read some reports about AL Qaeda beating the Iranians to offering funding. Iranians and Al Qaeda are mortal enemies. Maybe the Iranians don't want to risk more sanctions, by getting too involved right now. If the Iranians had been able to get involved then they could have used it as a sanctions bargaining chip. The US has used Iranian help in Afghanistan and Iraq before.
What really gets me is where do the US thinks that AL Qaeda gets its funding, definitely not from the Afghanis or even the poppy fields. No-one threatens the Saudis with sanctions. Baradei may be a puppet but this is Obama's presidency, so a slightly more moderate puppet perhaps and not one that Bibi will like.
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Old 17.08.2013, 22:17
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Also on the FCO website. There is trouble in the areas previously avised as safe for tourists:



https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt
So they are raiding the Museums - again. It's a good job that most of it is being kept safe at the British Museum, the UK should start charging other countries for their services in protecting valuable artifacts. Telling my sister where not to go is like a red flag to a bull, the Israeli tourist guides found that out.
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Old 17.08.2013, 22:26
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Telling my sister where not to go is like a red flag to a bull, the Israeli tourist guides found that out.
Tell her not to stay in her home for two weeks then
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Tell her not to stay in her home for two weeks then
Yup, Brer Rabbit psychology, but some people just have to explore.
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Old 18.08.2013, 01:04
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The last time we had to cancel a holiday to Egypt, while living in Switzerland and Muburak in power, because the people I was travelling with would not be allowed in on Iranian passports. We lost all that we had paid no reimbursement. I guess the tables have turned.
If the US does not fund the Egyptian Military, then the Egyptian military will be welcoming Iranians in, and the Iranian willing to fill the funding vacuum left by the US. Even so I say cut US funding, we can't be party to a massacre and coup. Let El Baradei run the whole show or we are out.
About "and the Iranian willing to fill the funding vacuum left by the US."

I doubt the Iranians have enough money to fill the gap.
Egypt was anyway recently welcoming Iranian tourists but they did not have much spending money. Some of them did not go home after their visit which caused some re-thinking in the Iranian seats of power.
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About "and the Iranian willing to fill the funding vacuum left by the US."

I doubt the Iranians have enough money to fill the gap.
Egypt was anyway recently welcoming Iranian tourists but they did not have much spending money. Some of them did not go home after their visit which caused some re-thinking in the Iranian seats of power.
Depends on which Iranians. My relatives are holiday in at their Dubai ' green towers' homes at the moment, looks OK, amazing views.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

This article from the Beeb sums up the problem very well:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23723465

Whether there can ever be an answer where Islam is involved I really don't know. But it certainly shows the wisdom of keeping religion and State separate and above all, recognising that your point of view isn't the only one. Unfortunately the fanatics of the world, religious or otherwise, aren't willing to do so.
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Old 18.08.2013, 21:43
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Currently, MB members attack copts. if you have proof to the contrary please produce it.
How's your Arabic?

Church vicar in Al Minya: the baltigya [thugs] burnt the churches



The vicar of the Mary Gerges Church in Al Minya on Friday confirmed that the local imams had issued several calls on worshippers to protect the Christian churches in the province.
Vicar Ayube Yusuf told the Egyptian 'On TV' station that "Since 3rd July when the coup was announced the baltagiya had carried out a number of attacks on churches and plundered a historical monastery which dates back more than 1,500 years."
Yusuf pointed out that his community had made several appeals to the police and army to protect their churches from the thugs, all without any success. Hours after the dispersal of the sit-ins in Rabaa Adawiya and Al Nahdah Squares on Wednesday a number of churches were burnt hours after large crowds turned out to protest against the massacres.

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Old 18.08.2013, 22:41
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How's your Arabic?
My Arabic is ok, I get by

A polite Person would have answered earlier.
A decent Person would not pretend to translate from Arabic, when the Translation was done by someone else.
A smart person would know that the Translation was done by a pro MB site

If thugs attack a church (as they have done all over the arab world), it doesn't mean the Army sent them.

I'm no fan of the Egyptian Army and have posted about their brutal methods before, but to pretend that the MB are democratic is worse than a lie, it's stupid.
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My Arabic is ok, I get by

A polite Person would have answered earlier.
A decent Person would not pretend to translate from Arabic, when the Translation was done by someone else.
A smart person would know that the Translation was done by a pro MB site
LOL Pashosh, I was actually asking how your Arabic was for the youtube interview because I couldn't find a clip with subtitles (MEMRI are pretty slow these days ).
Anyway lets not start with source discrediting, the Middle East Monitor is not a pro Muslim Brotherhood site a fact evident by its Honorary advisers which includes two sitting members of the House of Lords and a number of non-Muslim members of staff.
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Old 18.08.2013, 23:36
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

The top left of the site shows the MB logo



Why can't a site with racist members be pro MB (or at least, anti US/west/Israel) ? Horses for courses.
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The top left of the site shows the MB logo

Its a link to a news story.. not the site logo
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Old 18.08.2013, 23:54
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

jeez - it's A link to a positive Story about the MB. the site has many of them - hence it's a pro MB site. I didn't see other logos when they were discussing other subjects.

Had you bothered to read who is on their staff you could clearly see their MB Affiliation.

At least you gave up on your claim that site supported by house of Lords members can't be pro MB. so all is not lost.

back to Egypt - the country is still not ready for Democracy. I hope it will go thru this crisis without a full fledged civil war.
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back to Egypt - the country is still not ready for Democracy. I hope it will go thru this crisis without a full fledged civil war.
I don't think there will be a civil war because Egyptians are not sectarian in nature.
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Old 19.08.2013, 00:18
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I don't think there will be a civil war because Egyptians are not sectarian in nature.
Please make up your mind, you said before that there is already a genocide in Egypt (prepetrated by Egyptians), now you are saying that Egyptians are not sectarian in nature.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Tomorrow is the anniversary for the 1951 CIA coup against Mossadegh in Iran, for which the US have apologized via Madeleine Albright.
My friend who writes for the Huff Post has written a piece, which I thought was timely considering the Egyptian Coup, but it's in French.
The US is in a sticky position because the US is not supposed to provide arms for a nation where a coup has taken place, but then look at Iran and Iraq.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

The million-dollar question now, said one American military officer, is where is the threshold of violence for cutting ties?

I think that we have already passed the threshold.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/wo...it_th_20130818
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