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Mubarak's family arrived in London. So I guess Omar Suleiman will take over tonight or tomorrow. The big question if this will prepare transition to democracy. I doubt given profile of Suleiman.
That's the concern, word in the street is people refuse him already.

People saying that they removed Mubarak from power so it's not legal to appoint a VP
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Old 29.01.2011, 18:23
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What about Aymann Nour? Poor guy has apparently been struck in the back of the head, but he could be a possible leader

http://www.euronews.net/2011/01/28/a...sition-emblem/

The probleme with the military is the same as when I was in Iran. My husband's brother-in-law was offered the post of Airforce General of course he didn't take it, he knew the fate of another brother-in- law, head of Savak in a major city who was later hanged.
The military generals don't want the same fate, unless they can be sure that they will not be executed, they will try to continue and defend their role.

If the military can be persuaded that there will be a guided transition then this would solve a lot of problems. Perhaps the people would accept this as at this present time they need a strong militaary, they don't want Israel to be goaded into unilateral preemptive strikes as they are forming a new government. This is what happened in irna soon after the revolution when Saddam Hussein/Iraq, with the backing of the West, invaded Iran.

Snipers are firing from the roof of the ministry of the interior and people are' spitting out blood'

Omar Suleiman is a joke! The elite really live in cloud cuckoo land.

The looting is most probably being lead by govt.agents so that they can persuade the population for the need to quell unrest. There are many large groups of ordinary Egyptians who have banded together to defend the banks, museums etc.
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Old 29.01.2011, 18:34
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I thought that this was kind of funny!

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VanDenBerg said that although the Mubarak regime wants to characterize challenges to its authority as coming from militant Islamic fundamentalists, it does so to legitimize crackdowns."It's most notable that this is not a particularly ideological" movement, he said.
The Muslim Brotherhood, an illegal organization in Egypt that only began to show its presence during the rioting on Friday, is not a militant group, he said. When rioting started, the group was "nowhere to be found," he said.
http://www.news-leader.com/article/20110129/NEWS01/101290348/Instability-Egypt-concern-Evangel-professor-says?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Ozarks%20News|s
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Old 29.01.2011, 18:36
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Interesting article in today's FT about the Israeli perspective on it's neighbours going "democratic"...

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Israeli officials admit that it appears peculiar for them not to welcome the chance of a democratic opening in the Arab world.

However, as one official with extensive knowledge of the region puts it: “When tsarist Russia went through a revolution, there was a democratic moment, and we all know how that ended.

“In Tehran in 1979, there was a democratic moment, and we all know how that ended.”
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Old 29.01.2011, 19:13
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Interesting article in today's FT about the Israeli perspective on it's neighbours going "democratic"...
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Israeli officials admit that it appears peculiar for them not to welcome the chance of a democratic opening in the Arab world.

However, as one official with extensive knowledge of the region puts it: “When tsarist Russia went through a revolution, there was a democratic moment, and we all know how that ended.

“In Tehran in 1979, there was a democratic moment, and we all know how that ended.”
Then a young eager man popped up and said ' Yea, and there was a revolution in America and we all know how that turned out' and they smote him with their kippahs!

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Why is BBC Egypt page down? Click on it and I get errror
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Old 29.01.2011, 22:01
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Ayman Nour and all opposition leaders are not even an option, everyone now is trying to steal the headlights and grab piece of the cake, unfortunately it's too late, this movement has started with the young and will not stop unless the people exact demands have been executed.

At the moment, we're trying to push Amr Moussa in the image even as a transitional president with Ganzoury as PM, the only 2 persons in the modern Egyptian political system to be appreciated and trusted.

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What about Aymann Nour? Poor guy has apparently been struck in the back of the head, but he could be a possible leader

http://www.euronews.net/2011/01/28/a...sition-emblem/

The probleme with the military is the same as when I was in Iran. My husband's brother-in-law was offered the post of Airforce General of course he didn't take it, he knew the fate of another brother-in- law, head of Savak in a major city who was later hanged.
The military generals don't want the same fate, unless they can be sure that they will not be executed, they will try to continue and defend their role.

If the military can be persuaded that there will be a guided transition then this would solve a lot of problems. Perhaps the people would accept this as at this present time they need a strong militaary, they don't want Israel to be goaded into unilateral preemptive strikes as they are forming a new government. This is what happened in irna soon after the revolution when Saddam Hussein/Iraq, with the backing of the West, invaded Iran.

Snipers are firing from the roof of the ministry of the interior and people are' spitting out blood'

Omar Suleiman is a joke! The elite really live in cloud cuckoo land.

The looting is most probably being lead by govt.agents so that they can persuade the population for the need to quell unrest. There are many large groups of ordinary Egyptians who have banded together to defend the banks, museums etc.
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Old 29.01.2011, 22:35
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.. this movement has started with the young and will not stop unless the people exact demands have been executed.

At the moment, we're trying to push Amr Moussa in the image even as a transitional president with Ganzoury as PM, the only 2 persons in the modern Egyptian political system to be appreciated and trusted.
What are these "exact demands": Mubarak out, elections and ?
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Old 29.01.2011, 23:03
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What are these "exact demands": Mubarak out, elections and ?
  1. End of Mubarak regime
  2. Minimum wages
  3. New employment opportunties for youth
  4. Better education
  5. Freedom of speech
  6. Democratic political framework
  7. Limiting presidential terms to maximum 2 x 4 years
  8. End of emergency laws
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Demand 5-8 will be a very good start. If Egypt achives them than it will be the first democratic Arab state which is great news to all.

Demands 2-4 cost money - how do suggest to finance them ?

Demand 1: depends on who takes over. If Mubarak falls (still a big if) I expect a lot of political horse trading, mabye similar to the recent Lebanese PM selection.

Meanwhile it seems that the Beduins are taking control of north Sinai
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Old 29.01.2011, 23:34
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Demands 2-4 cost money - how do suggest to finance them ?
Given the level of corruption, I am sure that if everyone & every company pays taxes as it's supposed to do there will be huge revenues for the state. Revenue to be invested in education and social support to people.
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Old 29.01.2011, 23:55
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Demand 5-8 will be a very good start. If Egypt achives them than it will be the first democratic Arab state which is great news to all.

Demands 2-4 cost money - how do suggest to finance them ?

Demand 1: depends on who takes over. If Mubarak falls (still a big if) I expect a lot of political horse trading, mabye similar to the recent Lebanese PM selection.

Meanwhile it seems that the Beduins are taking control of north Sinai
I know it will not be easy financing demands 2-4, some ideas would be:
  1. Introducing dynamic, classed and controlled taxing system.
  2. Introducing new secured investments schemas for banking system.
  3. Fighting corruption and bribery
  4. Investing in agricultural projects (Cotton, Wheat,...etc)
  5. Controlled & supervised trade treaties, specially for natural resources.

Only these 5 points would provide Egyptian economy with extra +100 billion L.E per year if not more, as these are the main problem within the Egyptian economy the past 20 years.

Regarding point no.1, we would suggest Amr Moussa supported by Gamal Ganzoury as PM for 6-12 months as transitional government, followed by democratic fair election were oppositions would be allowed, were candidates / parties have to submit reasonable development plans to be executed within their electoral term.

These are general ideas, to get the exact details i would require to dig more within the previous govt' budgets and revenue reports, which is currently being destroyed in mysterious fires all over Egypt
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Old 30.01.2011, 02:43
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Looters have broken into the Egyptian Museum, which hold the treasures of Tutankhamun, destroying a number of mummies. Attempts were also made to break into the national bank.
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Riot police pushed back

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Old 30.01.2011, 03:08
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[QUOTE=jrspet;1085921]Riot police pushed back

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I hate to see young people risking their lives. Their parents got them into this mess. Why do the young always pay the price?
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Demands 2-4 cost money - how do suggest to finance them ?
With the 2bn that the US supplies every year in aid. The US will pay it if Egypt can become a true democracy

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I don't know of any dictator that has come back from this, do you?

The biggest problem is corruption, from what I have heard it is sytemic, and endemic. Old habits die hard!
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Why is BBC Egypt page down? Click on it and I get errror
All internet and phone connections have been blocked in Egypt. About the only working form of communication at present is satellite phones.
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All internet and phone connections have been blocked in Egypt. About the only working form of communication at present is satellite phones.
Mobile phones and landlines are back, no internet yet though.

Is there anyone here familiar in human rights / crimes against humanity laws, i have couple of urgent questions regarding that prior Monday?
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Old 30.01.2011, 11:04
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Egyptian authorities announced the closing of Aljazeera offices and withdrawal of press license. Not a good sign of democracy and free speech.
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Looks like it`s not over yet....

Thousands of inmates escape jails in Egypt turmoil -
CAIRO — Thousands of inmates escaped prisons across Egypt on Sunday, including at least one jail that housed Muslim militants northwest of Cairo, adding to the chaos engulfing the country as anti-government protests continue to demand the ouster of longtime authoritarian President Hosni Mubarak.
Security officials said the prisoners escaped overnight from four jails after starting fires and clashing with guards. The inmates were helped by gangs of armed men who attacked the prisons, firing at guards in gun battles that lasted hours.
Looting and arson continued overnight as the police totally disappeared from the streets of the capital and several major Egyptian cities. There has been no explanation for why the police have vanished.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstor...86149416_x.htm

And from the US State Department:
CAIRO (AP) — The U.S. Embassy is telling Americans in Egypt to consider leaving the country as soon as possible.
The Sunday morning travel warning says the Embassy will update Americans about departure assistance as soon as possible. It says U.S. citizens should avoid travel to Egypt because of unrest, violence, and ongoing demonstrations against President Hosni Mubarak's government.
The warning is an escalation in the assessment of the situation by the U.S. government, which previously had advised against non-essential travel to Egypt. http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstor...15860807_x.htm
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