Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1421  
Old 09.09.2013, 08:34
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 17,882
Groaned at 301 Times in 233 Posts
Thanked 13,145 Times in 7,534 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
No, these are factual events. It is clear Islamists are on a campaign to cleanse countries of Christians and religious minorities, wherever they might take power. It does not seem able to co-exist with others.

Egypt’s Anti-Christian Pogrom
And that's Islam's problem. No matter how they try and deny it, they will not tolerate any other religions existing. The fanatics have to impose their vision of the religion on everyone else whether they want it or not. They haven't learned from the lessons of the failure of communism, etc. You cannot force the majority to believe what you believe. Sooner or later the masses will rebel. Meanwhile, those Muslims who are simply following their faith quietly and in harmony with people of other beliefs are being branded with the fanatics hatred and fear, when they don't deserve it.

Still, the sooner we lose all religions the better. Too many lives have been lost arguing over something that doesn't exist in the first place.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #1422  
Old 09.09.2013, 09:02
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,023
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
No, these are factual events. It is clear Islamists are on a campaign to cleanse countries of Christians and religious minorities, wherever they might take power. It does not seem able to co-exist with others.

Egypt’s Anti-Christian Pogrom
There is no such campaign. While there of course over the centuries have been such things as in Southern Spain after the Reconquista. Generally however, Muslims have been far more tolerant than Christians.

And then you refer to "Islamists". You mean "Islamist fundamentalists". And YES, where they take power as in Gaza, there is no co-existence. But in Egypt they no longer are in power. AGAIN, what you state WAS and IS the idea of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Reply With Quote
  #1423  
Old 09.09.2013, 23:09
Pashosh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Baden
Posts: 420
Groaned at 169 Times in 124 Posts
Thanked 1,538 Times in 832 Posts
Pashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputation
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

The civil war in Egypt is getting worse - ship attacked in the Suez canal, fighting in Sinai...



It will get worse before it gets better.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Pashosh for this useful post:
  #1424  
Old 09.09.2013, 23:17
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,398
Groaned at 544 Times in 418 Posts
Thanked 10,130 Times in 5,411 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
There is no such campaign. While there of course over the centuries have been such things as in Southern Spain after the Reconquista. Generally however, Muslims have been far more tolerant than Christians.

And then you refer to "Islamists". You mean "Islamist fundamentalists". And YES, where they take power as in Gaza, there is no co-existence. But in Egypt they no longer are in power. AGAIN, what you state WAS and IS the idea of the Muslim Brotherhood.

And it continues in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, etc. with or without the Muslim Brotherhood.
Reply With Quote
  #1425  
Old 10.09.2013, 00:32
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,023
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
The civil war in Egypt is getting worse - ship attacked in the Suez canal, fighting in Sinai...



It will get worse before it gets better.
But it was NOT attacked !
Reply With Quote
  #1426  
Old 10.09.2013, 00:38
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,023
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
And it continues in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, etc. with or without the Muslim Brotherhood.
No, it does NOT continue in Egypt. In Syria, the Assad regime is still in place, which means that the religious minorities have the regime on their side. In case of Iraq, it is obvious that the USA supported the Muslim fundamentalists but the latest elections brought about some change.

There were NO "pogroms" even in Iran and Pakistan.

And, I mentioned the Sawiri family. The Sawiri are one of the very powerful Copt families in Egypt --- they during the Mursi reign considered to get out of Egypt, but now are in negotiations with the new interim government about new investments
Reply With Quote
  #1427  
Old 10.09.2013, 12:07
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,398
Groaned at 544 Times in 418 Posts
Thanked 10,130 Times in 5,411 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
No, it does NOT continue in Egypt. In Syria, the Assad regime is still in place, which means that the religious minorities have the regime on their side. In case of Iraq, it is obvious that the USA supported the Muslim fundamentalists but the latest elections brought about some change.

There were NO "pogroms" even in Iran and Pakistan.

And, I mentioned the Sawiri family. The Sawiri are one of the very powerful Copt families in Egypt --- they during the Mursi reign considered to get out of Egypt, but now are in negotiations with the new interim government about new investments

That is what you would like everyone to believe, but that is not what journalists and eyewitnesses report. It is not something you can cover up easily in the age of the Internet.

See if you can rebut what Ayaan Hirsi Ali's writes here:
The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World

It spans all the way to Nigeria:
The Telegraph: Christians persecuted throughout the world

Here is another recent example from Afghanistan of Islamic sentiment about Christians:
According to Mohabat News Service, Ava quoted Nazir Ahmad Hanafi, Afghan Parliament Member, as saying, “Afghani citizens continue to convert to Christianity in India. Numerous Afghans have become Christians in India. This is an offense to Islamic Laws and according to the Quran they need to be executed.”



So if an event did not occur 15 minutes ago, you are able to state in good conscience that it does not happen anymore?

Now tell the truth on what the quran says about Muslims who convert to Christianity. Does it not prescribe execution?

Last edited by Phos; 10.09.2013 at 12:21.
Reply With Quote
  #1428  
Old 10.09.2013, 12:24
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,398
Groaned at 544 Times in 418 Posts
Thanked 10,130 Times in 5,411 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
The civil war in Egypt is getting worse - ship attacked in the Suez canal, fighting in Sinai...

It will get worse before it gets better.
On my gosh, I hope that isn't a shipment of Doritos and Rockstar headed towards Switzerland. Good thing someone sold them duds.



Quote:
View Post
But it was NOT attacked !
That is indeed called an attack.
Reply With Quote
  #1429  
Old 10.09.2013, 19:03
Pashosh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Baden
Posts: 420
Groaned at 169 Times in 124 Posts
Thanked 1,538 Times in 832 Posts
Pashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputation
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
But it was NOT attacked !
Which part of "The ship was attacked with rockets" didn't you understand?
Reply With Quote
  #1430  
Old 10.09.2013, 20:11
Hoppy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland US
Posts: 436
Groaned at 20 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 354 Times in 224 Posts
Hoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputation
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

There are more churches in Iran (73?) than minarets in Switzerland.
There are also synagogues. but I don't think that there are any Baha'i Houses of worship. I have not heard on anyone in Iran being killed for apostasy, except Baha'is during mob killings.
I think that in Iran apostasy is the same as treason, which is many countries is still a capital offence. It is not secret that religion has been used as a tool to overthrow governments. When you hear of someone being locked up for apostasy, they are basically being locked up for treason. Most Iranians believe that Baha'is are a politically instigated cult-like movement. Most of the Baha'is that I met are really nice people. I know of many Iranians wh9o nave converted to being Christians, as long as you are not trying to overthrow the Muslims theocracy, Iranians really don't care.
But Muslim haters already know what apostasy is really about. The only faith that should be seriously worried about apostasy in Iran are the Baha'is, which is why I don't believe there are any openly practicing Baha'is left in Iran.
Reply With Quote
  #1431  
Old 11.09.2013, 08:11
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,023
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
That is what you would like everyone to believe, but that is not what journalists and eyewitnesses report. It is not something you can cover up easily in the age of the Internet.

See if you can rebut what Ayaan Hirsi Ali's writes here:
The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World

It spans all the way to Nigeria:
The Telegraph: Christians persecuted throughout the world

Here is another recent example from Afghanistan of Islamic sentiment about Christians:
According to Mohabat News Service, Ava quoted Nazir Ahmad Hanafi, Afghan Parliament Member, as saying, “Afghani citizens continue to convert to Christianity in India. Numerous Afghans have become Christians in India. This is an offense to Islamic Laws and according to the Quran they need to be executed.”



So if an event did not occur 15 minutes ago, you are able to state in good conscience that it does not happen anymore?

Now tell the truth on what the quran says about Muslims who convert to Christianity. Does it not prescribe execution?
NO, it does NOT
Reply With Quote
  #1432  
Old 11.09.2013, 08:12
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,023
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
Which part of "The ship was attacked with rockets" didn't you understand?
The Egyptians stated that they had prevented the attack
Reply With Quote
  #1433  
Old 11.09.2013, 09:11
Hoppy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland US
Posts: 436
Groaned at 20 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 354 Times in 224 Posts
Hoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputation
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
That is what you would like everyone to believe, but that is not what journalists and eyewitnesses report. It is not something you can cover up easily in the age of the Internet.

See if you can rebut what Ayaan Hirsi Ali's writes here:
The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World

It spans all the way to Nigeria:
The Telegraph: Christians persecuted throughout the world

Here is another recent example from Afghanistan of Islamic sentiment about Christians:
According to Mohabat News Service, Ava quoted Nazir Ahmad Hanafi, Afghan Parliament Member, as saying, “Afghani citizens continue to convert to Christianity in India. Numerous Afghans have become Christians in India. This is an offense to Islamic Laws and according to the Quran they need to be executed.”



So if an event did not occur 15 minutes ago, you are able to state in good conscience that it does not happen anymore?

Now tell the truth on what the quran says about Muslims who convert to Christianity. Does it not prescribe execution?

Firstly, with Ayaan Hirsi Ali spoutings[ I can't stand the woman she is an embarrassment to Muslim born women, whether they follow or criticize r reject the Muslim faith. Hirsi Ali changes her views according where she can profit most and makes sweeping sensationalist statements to maintain her position as the Muslim-bashers poster girl.

Muslim scholars argue over interpretations of the Koran just as much as Christians do over the Bible.
If death is the definitive sentence for apostasy, why hasn't Iran carried it out for so many 'apostates'? As I said before, apostasy was established in the Koran at a time when Christians burned heretics and witches. Christians also claims of heresy to control enemies.
Nowadays, much depends on whether the person's apostasy constitutes treason or not, whether the apostate is an enemy of the state. Apostasy itself is open to interpretation- some may be accused of it if they eat Pork or drink wine, while others see it reserved only for those who are trying to overthrow the establishment by subversive tactics (traitors). Punishment also ranges, depending on interpretation of the Koran. There must be quite a few apostates in Syria, yet the Iranians consider the Syrians a friendly nation. Killing other Muslims could be considered an act of apostasy.
Not sure if this is authentic or not, but many Muslims (here Saudi soldiers?) believe that Assad is an apostate, while Iran considers them allies.
Reply With Quote
  #1434  
Old 11.09.2013, 09:28
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,023
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
Firstly, with Ayaan Hirsi Ali spoutings[ I can't stand the woman she is an embarrassment to Muslim born women, whether they follow or criticize r reject the Muslim faith. Hirsi Ali changes her views according where she can profit most and makes sweeping sensationalist statements to maintain her position as the Muslim-bashers poster girl.

Muslim scholars argue over interpretations of the Koran just as much as Christians do over the Bible.
If death is the definitive sentence for apostasy, why hasn't Iran carried it out for so many 'apostates'? As I said before, apostasy was established in the Koran at a time when Christians burned heretics and witches. Christians also claims of heresy to control enemies.
Nowadays, much depends on whether the person's apostasy constitutes treason or not, whether the apostate is an enemy of the state. Apostasy itself is open to interpretation- some may be accused of it if they eat Pork or drink wine, while others see it reserved only for those who are trying to overthrow the establishment by subversive tactics (traitors). Punishment also ranges, depending on interpretation of the Koran. There must be quite a few apostates in Syria, yet the Iranians consider the Syrians a friendly nation. Killing other Muslims could be considered an act of apostasy.
Not sure if this is authentic or not, but many Muslims (here Saudi soldiers?) believe that Assad is an apostate, while Iran considers them allies.
The Saudi Wahhabites regard the Allawites as apostates. As the Allawites are leaning towards the Shi'ites, the Iranian Shi'ites regard them as allies. Similar with the Ismailites of Aga Khan (another minority in Syria).
Reply With Quote
  #1435  
Old 11.09.2013, 10:03
Hoppy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland US
Posts: 436
Groaned at 20 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 354 Times in 224 Posts
Hoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputation
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
The Saudi Wahhabites regard the Allawites as apostates. As the Allawites are leaning towards the Shi'ites, the Iranian Shi'ites regard them as allies. Similar with the Ismailites of Aga Khan (another minority in Syria).
I would keep quiet about that, Poor Phos must behaving a nightmare tracking all these claims of apostasy. He's completely lost track of the jihads.
Reply With Quote
  #1436  
Old 11.09.2013, 11:24
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,398
Groaned at 544 Times in 418 Posts
Thanked 10,130 Times in 5,411 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post

... I know of many Iranians wh9o nave converted to being Christians, as long as you are not trying to overthrow the Muslims theocracy, Iranians really don't care.
Ah, Iran.... that bastion of religious freedom.... not.

Truth tells a different story:

Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

I don't know of any Christian traditions that parallel that. There may have been in previous centuries witch burnings and such, but it is not at all in the psychological fabric of Christianity today. But what Christians did in the past does not give license for Muslims to do it today, does it?

It will be harder and harder to hide these kinds of information in the age of the Internet:

“Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)

Abd-Allah ibn Masood said : The Messenger of Allah said : “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, except in one of three cases : a soul (in case of murder) ; a married person who commits adultery ; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of Muslims.” Sahih Al Bukhary number 6484 and Sahih Muslim number 1676


These are apparently still taken literally an applied:
Afghan lawmakers demand death for Christian converts

I have full respect for Ayaan Hirsi Ali for her courage in standing up in the face of death threats; to tell the truth and make a difference in the world. She has every human right to do so. Its this kind of courage that is required to break the fascist tendency of that religion.


Last edited by Phos; 11.09.2013 at 11:46.
Reply With Quote
  #1437  
Old 11.09.2013, 12:20
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 17,882
Groaned at 301 Times in 233 Posts
Thanked 13,145 Times in 7,534 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

And I think that is a lot of the problem Phos. Christianity has evolved, indeed has had to evolve due to outside influences, over the centuries but Islam hasn't. At least not to the same degree. The changes we are beginning to see now happened for Christianity centuries ago.

I just find it sad and pitiful that a religion must decree death against someone who doesn't want to continue with that belief system. What are they so afraid of?

Makes me extremely glad I saw through all the religious rubbish years ago.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #1438  
Old 11.09.2013, 13:21
Pashosh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Baden
Posts: 420
Groaned at 169 Times in 124 Posts
Thanked 1,538 Times in 832 Posts
Pashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputationPashosh has an excellent reputation
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
The Egyptians stated that they had prevented the attack
You were provided with a Video of the attack as well as news piece (others also exist) yet insist on refusing reality.
Reply With Quote
  #1439  
Old 11.09.2013, 18:25
Hoppy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland US
Posts: 436
Groaned at 20 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 354 Times in 224 Posts
Hoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputationHoppy has an excellent reputation
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
Ah, Iran.... that bastion of religious freedom.... not.

Truth tells a different story:

Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

I don't know of any Christian traditions that parallel that. There may have been in previous centuries witch burnings and such, but it is not at all in the psychological fabric of Christianity today. But what Christians did in the past does not give license for Muslims to do it today, does it?

It will be harder and harder to hide these kinds of information in the age of the Internet:

“Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)

Abd-Allah ibn Masood said : The Messenger of Allah said : “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, except in one of three cases : a soul (in case of murder) ; a married person who commits adultery ; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of Muslims.” Sahih Al Bukhary number 6484 and Sahih Muslim number 1676

These are apparently still taken literally an applied:
Afghan lawmakers demand death for Christian converts

I have full respect for Ayaan Hirsi Ali for her courage in standing up in the face of death threats; to tell the truth and make a difference in the world. She has every human right to do so. Its this kind of courage that is required to break the fascist tendency of that religion.

Firstly, when you know your bible then you know that it is open to interpretation and some people like to cherry-pick. The Mormons have a very different interpretation to the Church of England.

Also, the pastor has been arrested, but not executed and he won't be. Get back to me when he is. I think he is suspected of inciting hatred. Inciting hatred is also a crime here in the US.

If you want to argue the plight of anyone in Iran argue the plight of Bahai's, then I will agree with you. What happened to the Bahai's is terrible, but you also have to know that most Iranians believe that Bahai's are in fact an Iranian political movement, masquerading as a cult, created I think by the British during the Qajar dynasty. to secure control of Iranian assets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ha'i_Faith

They are kind of like the MEK who have also been killed in large numbers. So. yes, the Iranians kill political opponents but not for apostasy, it's political.

I have many Christian friends in Iran, Armenians drink and sell alcohol in Iran, they makes big profits doing it and alcoholism is a major problem. So that might interest those who are into alcohol. It just makes me laugh that those who advocate that civilized counties don't ban alcohol raise their hands in horror of over the legalization of cannabis.
Reply With Quote
  #1440  
Old 11.09.2013, 18:50
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,398
Groaned at 544 Times in 418 Posts
Thanked 10,130 Times in 5,411 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote:
View Post
Also, the pastor has been arrested, but not executed and he won't be. Get back to me when he is. I think he is suspected of inciting hatred. Inciting hatred is also a crime here in the US.
No, the charge is apostasy, and the verdict is hanging. And this is only the ones we hear about.

Here's a case of two women who have been imprisoned and face execution. Ther were not even politically active other than helping people:
9/11/2013: Two Iranian Christians May Face Execution For Apostasy

So that is just apostasy. We haven't even talked about others like blaspheme and freedom of speech. Ever hear of Salman Rushdie and Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa on his head?

These are repeating patterns in Muslim countries that are not even closely related; from Nigeria to South East Asia. So the intolerance isn't in the tribal culture, is it. Its something in the religious teachings. But we're suppose to pretend it does not exist, that we don't recognize it, and try to obfuscate it? Blame it on Americans, oil and pipelines maybe?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
egypt, marches




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is Hosni Mubarak your "friend" on Facebook? Dougal's Breakfast International affairs/politics 3 06.02.2011 18:00
Merz resigns from Federal Government MrVertigo Swiss politics/news 7 06.08.2010 23:40
Day skiing on 30/31 Jan near Zurich ? Gntforever Social events 3 26.01.2010 15:32
Fidel Castro resigns as Cuban President Natasha International affairs/politics 35 30.06.2009 14:44
Jan 21 the saddest day of the year? Nev General off-topic 19 21.01.2008 23:25


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:51.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0