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That is like suppressing the air in one area of a balloon, where the balloon is the Egyptian society. You have to spend all you energy keeping a tight grip to suppress one part, which distorts the structure and form of society as a whole. Eventually you will get sidetracked as other pockets that you need to be suppressed develop in reaction to the tight control. You can't suppress all of them so you lose grip and eventually they seep back in. All you have done is delay the problem from society bursting or shrinking on its own.

What you have to do is intelligently sort out which is the favoured gas and which the non-favoured. Then you just create conditions that foster the favoured gas and eliminate the non-favoured gas.

Hatred causes people to react irrationally and that hatred spills over, affecting the innocent.

History shows that you can't 'kill off' the Muslim brotherhood by 'liquidating' them. You have to ameliorate certain aspects and incorporate the more positive aspects of the Muslim brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood, since having been formed in the 1920ies by Sheikh Ahmed Hassan el-Banna has a long history of violence. They became violent in the WW-II years,. in 1946 and in 1951 and in 1955.

The what you call the "more positive aspects" of them already were incorporated by Mr Mubarak. You cannot expect everybody to surrender to their demands and totalitarian approach. General al-Sisi however tries not to be as brutal as Colonel Nasser was in the mid 50ies. It is difficult indeed, but I think, al-Sisi and his colleagues will get through
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

I wonder how long it will for Sisi to get through and how much bloodshed there will be. I the meantime as the violence escalates, the tourist spots will rely security cameras. My sister her children and grandchildren arrive there on Saturday for their holiday!
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Old 08.10.2013, 20:55
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I wonder how long it will for Sisi to get through and how much bloodshed there will be. I the meantime as the violence escalates, the tourist spots will rely security cameras. My sister her children and grandchildren arrive there on Saturday for their holiday!
Touristic areas are safe and believe it or not the MB front is really minor....this won't last long cause basically it's not the army who's defending against MBs, the population are.....i've been in Egypt all June till end of August, in each demo and each battle and i could see the citizens actually defending against their violence.

Sisi did nothing but obey the popular rise, Western media can make of it what they want but the fact remains, Egyptians love Sisi as much as Nasser if not more, so it's not about him or the army only, it's all about the population.
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Old 08.10.2013, 21:01
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I wonder how long it will for Sisi to get through and how much bloodshed there will be. I the meantime as the violence escalates, the tourist spots will rely security cameras. My sister her children and grandchildren arrive there on Saturday for their holiday!
Clearly your sister is a sensible person who realises this violence is limited to very few areas.

About "the tourist spots will rely security cameras" - from where did you get this gem?
From personal experience I can tell you the tourist spots are well populated with armed guards.
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Touristic areas are safe and believe it or not the MB front is really minor....this won't last long cause basically it's not the army who's defending against MBs, the population are.....i've been in Egypt all June till end of August, in each demo and each battle and i could see the citizens actually defending against their violence.

Sisi did nothing but obey the popular rise, Western media can make of it what they want but the fact remains, Egyptians love Sisi as much as Nasser if not more, so it's not about him or the army only, it's all about the population.
Thanks Mowvich, that's great news, why do the Western media say differently-any ideas?
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Clearly your sister is a sensible person who realises this violence is limited to very few areas.

About "the tourist spots will rely security cameras" - from where did you get this gem?
From personal experience I can tell you the tourist spots are well populated with armed guards.
Reuters and others: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9970CR20131008

Meanwhile GB is discussing reopening embassies in Iran Can I get a... Now I have this random song in my head!...
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Meanwhile GB is discussing reopening embassies in Iran Can I get a... Now I have this random song in my head!...
Your link includes the following statement "There's a security plan in place in tourist areas"

Just igore Reuters catchy headline which completely misses the point.
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Thanks Mowvich, that's great news, why do the Western media say differently-any ideas?
Apparently he's not the west best friend as it seems and he's not going the same direction the western policy is in the Middle East.....i find the western reaction so over claiming it's a coup when there's actually +33 million civilians in the streets demanding their own army to protect them against a fascist regime
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Thanks Mowvich, that's great news, why do the Western media say differently-any ideas?
The "Western Media" do NOT say differently, but basically support what "Mowvich" explained. This is unless you regard West European media as "oriental"
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Old 09.10.2013, 06:03
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Apparently he's not the west best friend as it seems and he's not going the same direction the western policy is in the Middle East.....i find the western reaction so over claiming it's a coup when there's actually +33 million civilians in the streets demanding their own army to protect them against a fascist regime
Sorry, but unless you regard Zürich as "in the east" this was not the "western reaction. In the Tages Anzeiger they went as far as to say that the reaction of Sisi to popular demand makes him the new Gamal Abdel Nasser. And he in fact IS the best friend of the West between Casablanca and Muscat

"Western policy" ? There is no such thing at present. But various approaches to cope. Interesting is the example of the master of tactics, Mr Erdogan, who tries to combine aggressive rethorics with conciliatory tactics. This shrewd man, who literally sits on the "West-Eastern Diwan" of Freiherr Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, realises that Washington cannot and will not save his ar..... and now tries to find how to meddle through.

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Washington leaning wards cutting off aid

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4067153.html
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Washington leaning wards cutting off aid

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4067153.html
That's not in their nor Israel's best interest.....the aid package is a main term of camp david's peace treaty, which may lead to the treaty being voided....Obama is just doing mistake after mistake without even thinking about the consequences of what he's doing.

In addition, why cutting aid on an a country that is defending itself against a terroristic group, what if the same whats happening in Egypt would happen in USA, will he tolerate people walking around and shooting guns all over the streets, shooting RPGs at satellite stations, threatening national security and endangering population's life?
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Washington leaning wards cutting off aid

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4067153.html
While a cutting off aid would be disastrous for Egypt and bad for the West, the USA is not THE West, but only part of the West.

Mr Putin just is waiting for such a move in order to get Russia into Egypt again, and General Sisi would have no alternative
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While a cutting off aid would be disastrous for Egypt and bad for the West, the USA is not THE West, but only part of the West.

Mr Putin just is waiting for such a move in order to get Russia into Egypt again, and General Sisi would have no alternative
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So linking all your quotes together, you say the US is not the West, unless you think the west is in the East, oh hang on the new West for Sisi is Russia?- OK that'll do. LOL!

And I though Egypt was in a mess!
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So linking all your quotes together, you say the US is not the West, unless you think the west is in the East, oh hang on the new West for Sisi is Russia?- OK that'll do. LOL!

And I though Egypt was in a mess!
The USA is PART of the West ! But it is NOT the West. And Moscow out of a Middle Eastern perspective clearly IS in the West

Russia is also in a mess, true, but to help Egypt in order to regain political weight in the Arab World for Russia is peanuts.

General Sisi clearly would prefer working with the USA, but if the USA is not willing to continue as in the past, he will have no alternative.

West European countries like Britain and France etc will of course continue to be of assistance but cannot balance out the USA in the case you mentioned

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or do YOU want to say that everybody east of Reykjavik is NOT in the West ? And that newspapers like LeMonde, Financial Times, Frankfurter Allgemeine etc are made in the East ?
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The USA is PART of the West ! But it is NOT the West. And Moscow out of a Middle Eastern perspective clearly IS in the West

Russia is also in a mess, true, but to help Egypt in order to regain political weight in the Arab World for Russia is peanuts.

General Sisi clearly would prefer working with the USA, but if the USA is not willing to continue as in the past, he will have no alternative.

West European countries like Britain and France etc will of course continue to be of assistance but cannot balance out the USA in the case you mentioned

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or do YOU want to say that everybody east of Reykjavik is NOT in the West ? And that newspapers like LeMonde, Financial Times, Frankfurter Allgemeine etc are made in the East ?
being pedantic which I was not but. Wil now, The US is not strictly , speaking the West parts of Europe are. But. Whatever. !
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In addition, why cutting aid on an a country that is defending itself against a terroristic group
And who is protecting unarmed protesters from 'State Terror'?
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And who is protecting unarmed protesters from 'State Terror'?
Police and Army, just as elsewhere.

Your so-called "unarmed protesters" wanted to take power in the way of Hamas nearby. The Egyptians realised the looming danger fairly late. A danger, General Mubarak in the years before becoming dementia ridden repeatedly warned against.
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State sanctioned terrorists?
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While a cutting off aid would be disastrous for Egypt and bad for the West, the USA is not THE West, but only part of the West.

Mr Putin just is waiting for such a move in order to get Russia into Egypt again, and General Sisi would have no alternative
Actually during demonstrations, people held Putin's, Sisi and Nasser images side by side, so i guess it's more of a public demand rather than Sisi being obliged to go with Russia.

I can assure you the the amount of disappointment and anger against the US / Obama's admin reactions towards this popular rise is extremely high.....Egyptians don't want anything to do with the US anymore.

Re: US Aid, it's not as enormous as it seems, first of all if was more than 80% arms and spare parts which mostly were used equipment by US army before, second a 1.3 billion isn't much comparing the overall GDP of Egypt, third it's actually better to cut aid cause then we can charge the US Military and Commercial ships for crossing the Suez canal which will generate much more higher revenue than the Aid.

I think the ones losing in the current situation is actually the US and anyone who's not supporting Egypt, cause with such a popular rise, Sisi being supported by the entire population except for < 1% and all Gulf states supporting Egypt....i can't see anyway the US would be able to communicate within the region no more, i don't think Obama is welcomed anywhere in the area and the US policy regarding MENA is totally screwed now
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