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So now muslim brotherhood is now defined as a terrorist organisation. The leaders of the anti Mubarek revolution are also being locked up. I forsee a long period of military rule
NO, the leaders of the anti-Mubarak revolution are NOT locked up. The Muslim Brotherhood did NOT contribute much to that revolution.

General as._Sisi and his chaps will transform the country into civilian rule most likely in 2014 or 2015

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NO, the leaders of the anti-Mubarak revolution are NOT locked up. The Muslim Brotherhood did NOT contribute much to that revolution.

General Mursi and his chaps will transform the country into civilian rule most likely in 2014 or 2015


Morsi is not a General. You probably mean General Elsisy

At the end of the day doesn't matter who is at helm. Things will not improve in Egypt in the near future
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NO, the leaders of the anti-Mubarak revolution are NOT locked up. The Muslim Brotherhood did NOT contribute much to that revolution.

General Mursi and his chaps will transform the country into civilian rule most likely in 2014 or 2015
Umm - for example


"Hundreds of Egyptians have demonstrated in central Cairo against a court ruling that sentenced three leading anti-Mubarak activists to three years in prison.
The demonstrators, carrying a banner reading "Freedom for all detainees", chanted slogans against Egypt’s military-backed government and army chief General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi who ousted President Mohamed Morsi in July, Reuters reported.
On Sunday, an Egyptian court found the prominent activists -- Ahmed Maher, Ahmed Douma and Mohamed Adel -- guilty of organizing an unauthorized protest and attacking police officers last month."


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"Three activists who played central roles in the uprising against former President Hosni Mubarak were convicted on Sunday of participating in recent protests and sentenced to three years in prison, raising fears that the new government was seeking revenge against opponents of Egypt’s old order. "


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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/wo...ests.html?_r=0
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That's half part of the story, you might also want to know the reason why....cause they have been killing and screwing the country for a while now with the most recent bombing today morning in a bus and yesterday blowing another which killed 15 and wounded 135.....what would happen if one organisation kept doing the same acts in the US, UK or any other Western country?...will they be declared as heros?
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"Hundreds of Egyptians have demonstrated in central Cairo against a court ruling that sentenced three leading anti-Mubarak activists to three years in prison.
The demonstrators, carrying a banner reading "Freedom for all detainees", chanted slogans against Egypt’s military-backed government and army chief General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi who ousted President Mohamed Morsi in July, Reuters reported.
On Sunday, an Egyptian court found the prominent activists -- Ahmed Maher, Ahmed Douma and Mohamed Adel -- guilty of organizing an unauthorized protest and attacking police officers last month."


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"Three activists who played central roles in the uprising against former President Hosni Mubarak were convicted on Sunday of participating in recent protests and sentenced to three years in prison, raising fears that the new government was seeking revenge against opponents of Egypt’s old order. "


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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/wo...ests.html?_r=0
Can you please tell me why were they sentenced?, or again it's half part of the story and following what Western media is promoting?
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That's half part of the story, you might also want to know the reason why....cause they have been killing and screwing the country for a while now with the most recent bombing today morning in a bus and yesterday blowing another which killed 15 and wounded 135.....what would happen if one organisation kept doing the same acts in the US, UK or any other Western country?...will they be declared as heros?
As I rather glumly predicted, there will be a number of terrorist bombings which will automatically be blamed on the brotherhood with no evidence (as you have just done now) and as Hossam Eissa did yesterday just before the Brotherhood was designated a terrorist organisation. This is despite the fact that the Brotherhood continue to protest their innocence and opposition to terrorism. These type of false flag, black operations are nothing new.

Anyway these attacks will continue to be blamed on the MB until the election of Gen Sisi, and then using the cover of yet more Emergency Law, Curfews etc.. he will claim to have eradicated the problem.

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As I rather glumly predicted, there will be a number of terrorist bombings which will automatically be blamed on the brotherhood with no evidence (as you have just done now) and as Hossam Eissa did yesterday just before the Brotherhood was designated a terrorist organisation. This is despite the fact that the Brotherhood continue to protest their innocence and opposition to terrorism. These type of false flag, black operations are nothing new.

Anyway these attacks will continue to be blamed on the MB until the election of Gen Sisi, and then using the cover of yet more Emergency Law, Curfews etc.. he will claim to have eradicated the problem.

You are following western media, i've been there and saw it myself.....i've seen the shooting and killing people less than a meter beside me and it's well known MB faces and the next thing they did is condemn it claiming they have nothing to do with it......you might also want to see the arabic version of their announcement regarding the same incidents...in English it's always peaceful and in arabic it's always threatening

And by the way, Sissy is already so very popular without the need to anything of this...he's as popular as Nasser if not more
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Umm - for example


"Hundreds of Egyptians have demonstrated in central Cairo against a court ruling that sentenced three leading anti-Mubarak activists to three years in prison.
The demonstrators, carrying a banner reading "Freedom for all detainees", chanted slogans against Egypt’s military-backed government and army chief General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi who ousted President Mohamed Morsi in July, Reuters reported.
On Sunday, an Egyptian court found the prominent activists -- Ahmed Maher, Ahmed Douma and Mohamed Adel -- guilty of organizing an unauthorized protest and attacking police officers last month."


and


"Three activists who played central roles in the uprising against former President Hosni Mubarak were convicted on Sunday of participating in recent protests and sentenced to three years in prison, raising fears that the new government was seeking revenge against opponents of Egypt’s old order. "


see here
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/23/wo...ests.html?_r=0
The MB chaps played a minor role in the uprising against General Mubarak. Others did most of the uprising. Many of the present government were however leading anti-Mubarak activists.

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Re: As I rather glumly predicted, there will be a number of terrorist bombings which will automatically be blamed on the brotherhood with no evidence (as you have just done now) and as Hossam Eissa did yesterday just before the Brotherhood was designated a terrorist organisation. This is despite the fact that the Brotherhood continue to protest their innocence and opposition to terrorism. These type of false flag, black operations are nothing new.

Anyway these attacks will continue to be blamed on the MB until the election of Gen Sisi, and then using the cover of yet more Emergency Law, Curfews etc.. he will claim to have eradicated the problem.

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I might agree that there is no proof the MB chaps did the terrorism. But you have no proof to blame General al-Sisi or anybody else, as you did just now.

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Let's add that the MB has a rich history of terror attacks and political assassination since it was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Hassan el-Banna in the 1920ies. They also have a rich history of always declaring their innocence and their opposing terrorism

You might read "Revolt on the Nile" written by Mohammed Anwar es-Sadat as source. But aLso two autobiographies of King Hussein bin Talal give an idea of the MB role in the Egypt of the 1930ies, 40ies and 50ies

Here a link to their history on the 20th Century since 1928
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rhood_in_Egypt

and here the assassination Nukrashi Pasha in 1948
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_an-Nukrashi_Pasha

and here some info about the attempt of the MB to kill Gamal Abdel Nasser
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The President of Egypt was General Muhammad Naguib and the Prime Minister was Colonel Gamel Abdul Nasser. To the displeasure of the Brotherhood, Nasser sought secular solutions to the social problems faced by Egypt. The Brotherhood looked upon Prime Minister Nasser and his supporters as insufficiently devout. Nasser, moreover, was popular and was stealing some of the thunder that had been theirs.
Nasser responded to the hostilities of the Brotherhood by charging them with having set up an armed organization to seize power by force. On October 26, 1954, a gunman shot at Nasser as he delivered a speech in Alexandria. Nasser's government blamed the Brotherhood, and thousands of its members were rounded up. Of those put on trial, six were sentenced to death and seven others were sentenced to life imprisonment.
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The MB chaps played a minor role in the uprising against General Mubarak. Others did most of the uprising. Many of the present government were however leading anti-Mubarak activists.

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Re: As I rather glumly predicted, there will be a number of terrorist bombings which will automatically be blamed on the brotherhood with no evidence (as you have just done now) and as Hossam Eissa did yesterday just before the Brotherhood was designated a terrorist organisation. This is despite the fact that the Brotherhood continue to protest their innocence and opposition to terrorism. These type of false flag, black operations are nothing new.

Anyway these attacks will continue to be blamed on the MB until the election of Gen Sisi, and then using the cover of yet more Emergency Law, Curfews etc.. he will claim to have eradicated the problem.

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I might agree that there is no proof the MB chaps did the terrorism. But you have no proof to blame General al-Sisi or anybody else, as you did just now.

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Let's add that the MB has a rich history of terror attacks and political assassination since it was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Hassan el-Banna in the 1920ies. They also have a rich history of always declaring their innocence and their opposing terrorism

You might read "Revolt on the Nile" written by Mohammed Anwar es-Sadat as source. But aLso two autobiographies of King Hussein bin Talal give an idea of the MB role in the Egypt of the 1930ies, 40ies and 50ies

Here a link to their history on the 20th Century since 1928
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rhood_in_Egypt

and here the assassination Nukrashi Pasha in 1948
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_an-Nukrashi_Pasha

and here some info about the attempt of the MB to kill Gamal Abdel Nasser
************************************************** ***********************
The President of Egypt was General Muhammad Naguib and the Prime Minister was Colonel Gamel Abdul Nasser. To the displeasure of the Brotherhood, Nasser sought secular solutions to the social problems faced by Egypt. The Brotherhood looked upon Prime Minister Nasser and his supporters as insufficiently devout. Nasser, moreover, was popular and was stealing some of the thunder that had been theirs.
Nasser responded to the hostilities of the Brotherhood by charging them with having set up an armed organization to seize power by force. On October 26, 1954, a gunman shot at Nasser as he delivered a speech in Alexandria. Nasser's government blamed the Brotherhood, and thousands of its members were rounded up. Of those put on trial, six were sentenced to death and seven others were sentenced to life imprisonment.
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The three guys I mentioned who are now in jail "Ahmed Maher, Ahmed Douma and Mohamed Adel" were not MB chaps; two of them are founders of the April 6 youth movement.
more details here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_6_Youth_Movement

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Can you please tell me why were they sentenced?, or again it's half part of the story and following what Western media is promoting?

Well you could try looking in the link I posted - two of them are founders of the April 6 youth movement
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The three guys I mentioned who are now in jail "Ahmed Maher, Ahmed Douma and Mohamed Adel" were not MB chaps; two of them are founders of the April 6 youth movement.
more details here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_6_Youth_Movement
Mowvich may not love to hear it, but my trust in the Egyptian police and judiciary is limited. And authorities in most Arab countries tend to be rather authoritarian.

One of the reports I linked above shows how summary people were blamed for the attempted murder of Colonel Nasser

At the other hand, General al-Sisi has to restore authority swiftly in order to re-start, kick-start the economy. He was not pushed into power by either MB nor revolutionary movements of any kind nor Mubarak followers but by the Bazaari and all the rest of business. And those people have some clear demands to those in charge

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Well you could try looking in the link I posted - two of them are founders of the April 6 youth movement
And back to square-one, or to reality. In the time since the uprising against increasingly senile General Mubarak started, the population of Egypt has grown by at least 600'000 (up to one million) people. The order of the day is, to say it with Richard Nixon (1968) LAW & ORDER

Further on you may remember that the uprising against General Mubarak not only had the support of business but actually was made possible by the will of business to get Mubarak out of business. Mursi and the MB men were NOT toppled by "Mubarakis" but clearly by business, who had to realize that Mursi was a failure in regard to economy.

Never underestimate the power of business in Egypt. They in 1968-70 forced Nasser to stop socialist notions and they forced Sadat to reduce the link to the USSR. They before had supported Nasser's ASU socialism as it meant that foreigners lost their clout, but after the June 67 catastrophe with its enormous economic consequences demanded changes.

Now, just as forecast by "Mowvich" almost a year ago, the MBs including Mursi have shown their complete incompetence

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

MB & army are both bad, that is the fact. I would take army over MB though.
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MB & army are both bad, that is the fact. I would take army over MB though.
Do not forget that in countries like Egypt the officers corps has the qualified men of the nation in its rank
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

From today's papers & as forecast by Wolly; "Egyptian army chief Abdel Fatah al-Sisi hints he will run for president.General who ousted Mohamed Morsi says he will take yes vote in constitutional referendum as mandate to run for office"
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Morsi is not a General. You probably mean General Elsisy

At the end of the day doesn't matter who is at helm. Things will not improve in Egypt in the near future
I of course mean General as-Sisi. And things already ARE improving in Egypt, and will improve far more within a few months
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Yep, everything back to normal:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25706182

Army in charge, opposition surpressed and all's right in Egypt again. Bets are now being taken for guessing the correct date for the next Egyptian revolution.
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So when's the coronation and celebration of 1000's of years of Egyptian Empire?
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

The referendum is over. 38% turnout sounds good and believable but 98% yes??


So it looks like Egyptian army chief Abdel Fatah al-Sisi will definitely run for President.


Oh well at least the army will likely keep the streets safe for tourists.
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The referendum is over. 38% turnout sounds good and believable but 98% yes??


So it looks like Egyptian army chief Abdel Fatah al-Sisi will definitely run for President.


Oh well at least the army will likely keep the streets safe for tourists.
Similar results to when the Muslin Brotherhood got elected iirc. So basically the "majority" of people able to vote doesn't want either of them.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Any constitution drafted and voted upon under the following conditions
  • Egypt being run as a Police state with daily killings of protesters
  • Lack of inclusive process for drafting and publicly debating the draft constitution
  • Opposition party labelled terrorist entity and entire leadership Jailed
  • Regime opposition elements (students, bloggers etc..) are all criminalised for their views
  • All public protests banned, with live rounds being used to enforce it
  • No vote observers, save for a handful of people from the Carter Center
  • Daily cult worship of Gen Sisi by a quisling press

Is by definition a sham
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