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Let's see: 5 years ago Egypt had a growing economy, no civil wars and a quiet border with Libya.

It has none of those now.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27952321

Authorities have cracked down harshly on Islamists since former President Mohammed Morsi, who belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood, was removed by the military in July 2013 following mass protests.

A judge had recommended the death penalty for the 683 defendants, in a widely-criticised mass trial in April. Of the 683, all but 110 were tried in absentia.

An Egyptian court has confirmed death sentences for 183 Muslim Brotherhood supporters accused of a 2013 attack on a police station, lawyers say. The charges ranged from sabotage and terrorising civilians to murder.

Defence lawyers called the mass trial "farcical" and said many of those accused were not present during the clashes.
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Let's see: 5 years ago Egypt had a growing economy, no civil wars and a quiet border with Libya.

It has none of those now.
5 years ago, Egypt had a dementia ridden ruler

NOW there is a new ruler -- a dynamic ruler
NOW Libya is getting oil to refineries west of Alexandria
NOW, no civil wars around
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Old 22.06.2014, 10:45
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5 years ago, Egypt had a dementia ridden ruler

NOW there is a new ruler -- a dynamic ruler
NOW Libya is getting oil to refineries west of Alexandria
NOW, no civil wars around
Forgive me for saying this, but you strike me as the worst type of 'Orientalist', one who is happy for others to be stripped of their rights and freedoms just so you can reminisce over a glass of chilled wine by the Nile.

What Egypt needs is democracy, what it has is another dictator. The entire leadership and supporters of a once legitimate party have been jailed along with dozens of journalists, bloggers (Non MB) and anyone else who opposes Sisi. And then we have the hundreds of deaths of peaceful protesters in a single day with no prosecutions or justice in sight for them or their families. However the justice system is surprisingly quick and efficient when two policemen were killed in Minya, because 683 defendents have been given provisional death sentences by a Minya kangaroo court.

You would never tolerate this in Europe, but its fine for Egyptians eh?

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

I have to agree with Castro. Like it or not the Morsi government was duly elected by the people. Mubarak tried to surpress the Brotherhood, now al-Sisi is doing the same.

If you're constantly having elections then overthrowing a duly elected government because you don't like what it's doing I say don't bother trying to have a democratic system in the first place. The money spent on "electing" al-Sisi could have been put to better use as he was already defacto president anyway. And the army behind the scenes won't allow any effective opposition, even if it isn't Brotherhood based.
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Forgive me for saying this, but you strike me as the worst type of 'Orientalist', one who is happy for others to be stripped of their rights and freedoms just so you can reminisce over a glass of chilled wine by the Nile.

What Egypt needs is democracy, what it has is another dictator. The entire leadership and supporters of a once legitimate party have been jailed along with dozens of journalists, bloggers (Non MB) and anyone else who opposes Sisi. And then we have the hundreds of deaths of peaceful protesters in a single day with no prosecutions or justice in sight for them or their families. However the justice system is surprisingly quick and efficient when two policemen were killed in Minya, because 683 defendents have been given provisional death sentences by a Minya kangaroo court.

You would never tolerate this in Europe, but its fine for Egyptians eh?

No friend indeed
Egypt WILL GET democracy, but for the moment it needs Marshal al-Sisi

Yes, to drink some good Egyptian wine on the Nile is nice

The party you mention was prohibited since 1957, and is the gang responsible for assassinations of Prime Ministers and Presidents ever since

The death sentences you mention are horror. I hope that the authorities will NOT carry out them. As Egypt over the past 60 years has been the most human one of the Arab World. I indeed hope that Marshal alSisi will act as did Colonel Gamal Abdel Nasser and not as did Colonel Liamine Zeroual in Algiers who got the extremists shot one by one

The MB peope never had much considerations for people not with their line
--- and they ignored the majority of the protesters
Marshal al-Sisi has the backing of the majority as he realised that those who opposed authoritarian rule were disgusted to see the MB taking over as a dictatorial regime.
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I have to agree with Castro. Like it or not the Morsi government was duly elected by the people. Mubarak tried to surpress the Brotherhood, now al-Sisi is doing the same.

If you're constantly having elections then overthrowing a duly elected government because you don't like what it's doing I say don't bother trying to have a democratic system in the first place. The money spent on "electing" al-Sisi could have been put to better use as he was already defacto president anyway. And the army behind the scenes won't allow any effective opposition, even if it isn't Brotherhood based.
Mursi and his organisation switly took over, as result of a protest vote, a dictatorial role. The "election" of Mursi was nothing than a protest vote, while the vote for Sisi is a legitimate vote

For the moment, Egypt needs a stabilisation, and a revived inbound tourism and economic progress. THIS is the basis on which Marshal Sisi goes forward upon
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Al-Jazeera trio get seven years jail.

In other news: US unlocks military aid to Egypt, backing President Sisi.
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Australian FM Julie Bishop told the BBC Canberra would work with the Egyptian government to try to secure Mr Greste's release "as soon as possible".

"We support Egypt's transition to democracy, but that also includes freedom of speech and press."

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Egypt 'failing at every level' on human rights


Rights groups say the authorities are increasingly hostile to independent media and political opponents

Amnesty International has warned of a catastrophic decline in human rights in Egypt, a year after the military ousted President Mohammed Morsi.

The campaign group says at least 16,000 people have been detained in the last year alone as part of the government's bid to silence Mr Morsi's supporters.

Eighty of the detainees have died in custody, the report adds.

Security was tight for the anniversary of Mr Morsi's removal, with his supporters turning out to protest.

Egyptian police fired tear gas to disperse protesters who had gathered across the capital and the coastal city of Alexandria on Thursday, with reports of dozens of arrests.

The authorities have cracked down harshly on Islamists and other political opponents since former President Mohammed Morsi, who belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood, was removed by the military in July 2013 following mass protests.

The group - which was banned in December 2013 - had called for a "day of anger" to mark the anniversary.

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In a report released on Thursday, Amnesty International says that 1,247 death sentences have been handed down this year, with at least 247 of these upheld.

It said Egypt was "failing at every level in terms of human rights," citing "harrowing incidents of torture and deaths in police custody".

"Egypt's notorious state security forces are back and operating at full capacity, employing the same methods of torture and other ill-treatment used during the darkest hours of the Mubarak era," says Amnesty's Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui.

Torture methods, the report says, include the use of electric shocks, rape and handcuffing detainees and suspending them from open doors.


One man reacts to the sentencing of 183 Muslim Brotherhood supporters last month

It cites one case involving a 23-year-old male student, who says he was tortured and raped during 47 days of detention.

"They cut my shirt, blindfolded me with it and handcuffed me from behind…they beat me with batons all over my body, particularly on the chest, back and face…Then they put two wires in my left and right little fingers and gave me electric shocks four or five times," he said.

Amnesty says Egypt's criminal system "has suffered huge setbacks over the past year with several politically-motivated verdicts".

The military-installed government has sentenced hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood supporters through a series of speedy mass trials in the past year, drawing widespread criticism from human rights groups and the UN.

Those convicted include Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammed Badie, who had his death sentence upheld in June.

Last month's sentencing of three Al-Jazeera journalists to at least seven years in jail on charges of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood sparked widespread international outrage.

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

So ?

Newsflash: Egypt is an Arab dictatorship.
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So ?

Newsflash: Egypt is an Arab dictatorship.
I'm just waiting for all those who were cheer-leading the military coup to tell me how we've got it all wrong, and all this is a massive Western Conspiracy to discredit the true choice of the Egyptian people. Or something like that.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Calling Mowvich...

Many Egyptians are quite happy with having a military leader - ''Better a hundred years of tyranny than one day of Anarchy'' is a proverb the Arabs coined for good reason.
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Many Egyptians are quite happy with having a military leader - ''Better a hundred years of tyranny than one day of Anarchy'' is a proverb the Arabs coined for good reason.
I think this applies more to the fathers than the sons (or daughters). It was the youth who spearheaded the first revolution with little support from their parents, until such time that the protests gained critical mass then it became a popular revolt.

The problem now is that the stable door has been well and truly bolted. The current mob have brought in mass surveillance of social media and email, a reinvigorated secret police and deadly violence to tackle any unofficial protests.

Mubarak was caught off guard, Sisi cannot stop looking over his shoulder.
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Egypt 'freeing and deporting reporter Peter Greste'

Jailed al-Jazeera journalist Peter Greste is being deported from Egypt, the state news agency and police say.

The Australian ex-BBC correspondent was arrested in December 2013 and imprisoned last June on charges including spreading false news.

There is no word on the two al-Jazeera men who were jailed with him, Mohamed Fahmy and Baher Mohamed.

All of the defendants denied the charges against them and have said their trial was a sham.

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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Quote "Egypt’s former president Mohamed Morsi has been sentenced to 20 years in prison over the killing of demonstrators outside his palace in 2012, the first verdict to be issued against the country’s first freely elected leader."

Country of extremes; one day in prison, next day president, then in prison again......
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Country of extremes; one day in prison, next day president, then in prison again......

No no, Mr Mursi was not in prison before but in the USA. He then got into politics and in a protest vote became president. He used the immense power of an Egpytian head of state to establish a defacto dictatorship. HIS Problem was that he FAILED in regard to the economy. Marshal as-Sisi of course is also a Kind of dictator but is shrewd in regard to the economy. He in his years as Commander of the Armed Forces and the local Administration in Northern Sinaï showed his understanding for the economy. He also already in those days established close relations with the military commanders of the northern neighbour. I hope that as-Sisi in the longer term will risk more Democracy (just as Willy Brandt used to say mehr Demokratie wagen ) and will allow some real Democracy on the province Level (just as Abdelaziz Bouteflika did/does in Algeria) but such things need time. As Presidents Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar as-Sadat used to say "" we have to develop and build up a kind of educated and qualified bourgeois citizen Nation , Unfortunatly, the bomber Pilot (IL-28 Tu-16) and air force commander, Brigadier of the Soviet Army (just as Rashid Dostum from Afghanistan) and efficient vice presidentwas successful in economic matters but totally failed in the democracy matter. As General Ismet Pasha in Turkey (later Ismet Inönü) has proven, such a turn-around from Military commander to Chief of a large party (Cumhüriyet Halk Partisi ) and democratic country leader indeed IS possible. It of course was a tragic mistake of President Gamal Abdel Nasser to follow the lead of GDR Prime Minister Otto Grotewohl (SPD-Ost) and of Polish Prime Minister Cyrankiewicz (Social Democrats) to press political life into ONE unitarian Party, the ASU Arab Socialist Union. Yes, much of the ASU was based on ideas of the PCI (Partito Communista Italiana) under Palmiro Togiatti and of the Social Democratic NéoDestour under Habib Ben Ali Bourguiba in Tunisia. Let's not Forget that Messrs Bourguiba, Nasr and Sadat were admirers of both Mustafa Kemal Pasha (Turkey) and Prime Minister Benito Mussolini
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No no, Mr Mursi was not in prison before but in the USA.
He then got into politics and in a protest vote became president. He used the immense power of an Egpytian head of state to establish a defacto dictatorship. HIS Problem was that he FAILED in regard to the economy.

Marshal as-Sisi of course is also a Kind of dictator but is shrewd in regard to the economy. He in his years as Commander of the Armed Forces and the local Administration in Northern Sinaï showed his understanding for the economy. He also already in those days established close relations with the military commanders of the northern neighbour.

I hope that as-Sisi in the longer term will risk more Democracy (just as Willy Brandt used to say mehr Demokratie wagen ) and will allow some real Democracy on the province Level (just as Abdelaziz Bouteflika did/does in Algeria) but such things need time. As Presidents Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar as-Sadat used to say "" we have to develop and build up a kind of educated and qualified bourgeois citizen Nation ,

Unfortunatly, the bomber Pilot (IL-28 Tu-16) and air force commander, Brigadier of the Soviet Army (just as Rashid Dostum from Afghanistan) and efficient vice presidentwas successful in economic matters but totally failed in the democracy matter. As General Ismet Pasha in Turkey (later Ismet Inönü) has proven, such a turn-around from Military commander to Chief of a large party (Cumhüriyet Halk Partisi ) and democratic country leader indeed IS possible. It of course was a tragic mistake of President Gamal Abdel Nasser to follow the lead of GDR Prime Minister Otto Grotewohl (SPD-Ost) and of Polish Prime Minister Cyrankiewicz (Social Democrats) to press political life into ONE unitarian Party, the ASU Arab Socialist Union. Yes, much of the ASU was based on ideas of the PCI (Partito Communista Italiana) under Palmiro Togiatti and of the Social Democratic NéoDestour under Habib Ben Ali Bourguiba in Tunisia.

Let's not Forget that Messrs Bourguiba, Nasr and Sadat were admirers of both Mustafa Kemal Pasha (Turkey) and Prime Minister Benito Mussolini
About "No no, Mr Mursi was not in prison before but in the USA.". Morsi was arrested along with 24 other Muslim Brotherhood leaders on 28 January 2011.
He escaped from prison in Cairo two days later
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Re: Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]

Interesting news from Egypt: Egypt signed a deal with Saudi to hand back 2 uninhabited Islands to Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia will then build a bridge across the straights.

Egyptians are protesting against the deal - not a trivial matter, as protesters tend to disappear or experience a quick and painful health decline or an unpleasant stay in police custody.

Did they have enough of Sisi or is it that Sisi forgot the first rule of Arab politics - never, ever give up land ?

P.S - the Islands are a wildlife haven. It would be better to leave them in their near pristine condition.
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Egypt devalues currency by 48%. would be nice to visit Alex, if it was not so scary at the moment.
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