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Looks like it`s not over yet....
And it's not going to be over, he thinks Friday was the END but it was the just the BEGINNING, no one is backing off this now, everyone is way more determined at the moment, unless Mubarak and his regime resigns, get arrested, all of his and his corrupt family members / supporters accounts frozen and their money brought back to Egyptians nation for all the damages caused by their coward acts against civilians that resulted in destruction of our country, even if it means every single Egyptian will die, they initiated anger that they will regret every second now, seems they forgot that every event in history that Egyptians have joined forces against a regime, they succeeded to totally destroy it.......we've all been betrayed by our own govt', we all consider them enemies of the state.....it's a matter of dignity now and everyone is on a state of nationalism at the moment.

Just some facts, he's using the meanest methods to put pressure on the citizens by intentionally releasing criminals in the streets to cause chaos, destabilize security which is resulting in risking civilian lives, properties, public properties, historic properties and more, he's intentionally withdrawing the police to make us beg back for security....but guess what, civilians are taking over their own life and no one is going to beg and if there was a moment were negotiation would have been possible, it's all far gone now....he will have to pay for all of these lives lost, public damages and history being destroyed and his bill is becoming way more bigger than he could ever imagine now....he's no more an undemocratic dictator for us, he's an enemy of the nation.

I'm working closely with some people abroad and on the ground to accuse them as criminals against humanity, as per the "Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949":
  • Art1.P4: they are considered as per the article a "racist régimes exercising their right of self-determination"
  • Art. 51 - Protection of the civilian population
  • Art. 52 - General protection of civilian objects
  • Art. 53 - Protection of cultural objects and of places of worship
  • Art. 54 - Protection of objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population

The only question i have, does this really apply on them as the convention relates to International armed conflicts?, as Art.1 states the above, which applies on him and his régime
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

A bit Off-topic,

But I always thought that Mubarak had something to do with Anuar El Sadat murder, what do you think?
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Old 30.01.2011, 14:02
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A bit Off-topic,

But I always thought that Mubarak had something to do with Anuar El Sadat murder, what do you think?
I do not have confirmed information on that, but rumors is yes, as the 6th Oct military show is considered the highest security level and normally background checks are run on all participants and they normally have no live ammunition during the show, so this was sort of internal conspiracy involving a high rank support, also what sort of confirms that was the release of islamist radicals that Sadat jailed shortly after mubarak's presidency started.
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I do not have confirmed information on that, but rumors is yes, as the 6th Oct military show is considered the highest security level and normally background checks are run on all participants and they normally have no live ammunition during the show, so this was sort of internal conspiracy involving a high rank support, also what sort of confirms that was the release of islamist radicals that Sadat jailed shortly after mubarak's presidency started.
Thanks, that is what his wife Jehane was saying too. Because no matter in which way you look at this day of 6th Oct. It has to be internal. They did try really hard to put that on the Muslim Brothers, though.

That was a big lost for Egypt. Things are changing now. Hopefully, it will be for the best. But the country will never be the same.

Please keep us updated, I really appreciate it!
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Old 30.01.2011, 14:36
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Thanks, that is what his wife Jehane was saying too. Because no matter in which way you look at this day of 6th Oct. It has to be internal. They did try really hard to put that on the Muslim Brothers, though.

That was a big lost for Egypt. Things are changing now. Hopefully, it will be for the best. But the country will never be the same.

Please keep us updated, I really appreciate it!
Sadat and his wife Jehane were the best Egypt could offer, Sadat was a true Egyptian, courageous and loyal to the country and citizens.

Will update you, just need to get in hold of someone in ICRC or familiar with the Geneva convention now
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Sadat and his wife Jehane were the best Egypt could offer, Sadat was a true Egyptian, courageous and loyal to the country and citizens.

Will update you, just need to get in hold of someone in ICRC or familiar with the Geneva convention now
I am a big fan and have a lot of respect for both of them and what they did for your country.
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

I wish one day we will change from "Arab Republic of Egypt" to "Arab Democratic Egypt" as we're not anymore republicans and we refuse to be military ruled
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Update: News on a prison break in one of the highest secured and dangerous prisons
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Some Mubarak jokes.

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"When Nasser became president, he wanted a vice president stupider than himself to avoid a challenger, so he chose Sadat. When Sadat became president, he chose Mubarak for the same reason. But Mubarak has no vice president because there is no one in Egypt stupider than he is."
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"What will the Egyptian people do without me?" His advisor tries to comfort him: "Mr. President, don't worry about the Egyptians. They are a resilient people who could survive by eating stones!" Mubarak pauses to consider this and then tells the advisor to grant his son Alaa a monopoly on the trade in stones.
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Azrael, the archangel of death, comes down to Mubarak and tells him he must say goodbye to the Egyptian people. "Why, where are they going?"
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God summons Azrael and tells him, "It's time to get Hosni Mubarak."

"Are you sure?" Azrael asks timidly.

God insists: "Yes, his time has come; go and bring me his soul."

So Azrael descends from heaven and heads straight for the presidential palace. Once there, he tries to walk in, but he is captured by State Security. They throw him in a cell, beat him up, and torture him. After several months, he is finally set free.

Back in heaven, God sees him all bruised and broken and asks, "What happened?"

"State Security beat me and tortured me," Azrael tells God. "They only just sent me back."

God goes pale and in a frightened voice says, "Did you tell them I sent you?'
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Hosni Mubarak, Barack Obama, and Vladimir Putin are at a meeting together when suddenly God appears before them.

"I have come to tell you that the end of the world will be in two days," God says. "Tell your people."

So each leader goes back to his capital and prepares a television address.

In Washington, Obama says, "My fellow Americans, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I can confirm that God exists. The bad news is that he told me the world would end in two days."

In Moscow, Putin says, "People of Russia, I regret that I have to inform you of two pieces of bad news. First, God exists, which means everything our country has believed in for most of the last century was false. Second, the world is ending in two days."

In Cairo, Mubarak says, "O Egyptians, I come to you today with two pieces of excellent news! First, God and I have just held an important summit. Second, he told me I would be your president until the end of time."
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

The army was ordered to shot at protestants and the army refused it. Now the protestants are sitting on tanks, singing and screaming slogans with soldiers clapping their hands.

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Old 30.01.2011, 15:32
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The army was ordered to shot at protestants and the army refused it. Now the protestants are sitting on tanks, singing and screaming slogans with soldiers clapping their hands.

Source?? (sorry I'm out in the street)
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Source?? (sorry I'm out in the street)
Oh wait...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...p-2198444.html

And it is also on Al Jazeera (about the order to shot at protesters)
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Military Fighters jets fly low over Tahrir Square trying to indimidate the protestants. Everytimes, you see the protesters looking at the jets and they scream Get out of here!

The jets and helicopters are passing lower and lower trying to scared the protesters and more tanks are coming into the square. People are resisting and refuse to leave! - Live on Al Jazeera
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Muslim brotherhood calls for all opposition groups to unite. Squares are full people standing in front of tanks. Sundown coming. Choppers (not (chinooks) are circling and jets flying low over crowds. Obama had said no Tiananmen to Muburak.
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He is now 82, and has ruled Egypt – and presided over its decline – for 29 years. Presidential elections are scheduled for next year, but he has said he will serve ‘until the last breath in my lungs, and the last beat of my heart’. This is a promise he’s likely to keep.
So as Martin Indyk from the Brookings Institute says- dead man walking.



El Baradei speaking now from Egypt on Fareed Zakaria he is willig to serve if the Egyptian people ask him as a bridge to a new government. The likelihood of Egypt becoming another Islamic republic is a myth, perpetuated by Muburak- El Baradei has worked closely with Iran and the Egyptian situation is not the same. That Obama cannot be seen to tell Muburak to go, but it will most probably be that Muburak will leave within the next 2-3 days.
I think that Obama got El Baradei released from house arrest and that they are in direct contact.
However the crowds in Egypt are angry towards Obama for his support of Muburak they say that he has to give a stronger indication and stand behind the people.

Personally I think that Obama should never have let Hilary Clinton and Biden make the statements that they did a few days ago about Muburak's regime being 'strong' Hilary is quite pro-Likud and does not always carry Obama's message directly.
Obama cannot tell Muburak openly to go ( the House of Saud would be asking who Obama will say that to next) but he can come out speak directly to the Egyptian people and give them his support. (without Hilary and Biden)

Obama's problem is that there are many in the government who just can't believe that the Egyptian regime is over, they can't keep up with the speed of events and are in disbeleief that the US will turn its back on friends. Some like Richard Haas openly criticize Obama for threatening Muburak that he will cut off aid. It has to be remembered that AIPAC is a very powerful lobbying group in the US and some politicians are in their pocket.

Tarek Masoud from Harvard University has said that the looting and prison release is from the thugs that the Muburak regime used to rely on.
Tarek Masood says that the Muslim brotherhood are not in the lead.

I have to say that they may be underestimating the Muslim brotherhood, especially if infiltrated by Iran. The Muslim brotherhood may start off as being quite liberal. it could attract the many highly educated and resourceful Egyptians (some of whom I know) and as has happened in Turkey they will gather strength, which is why I am favour of El Baradei

I hope that Obama will convince others of the need to keep Egypt as a friend irrespective of Muburak. It is Egypt and not Muburak that is a friend to the US. Arabs are now getting the message that the dictator can be dislodged. The dislodging of these dictators will lead to more not less security.

I am just looking at my sister-in-laws pictures of Egypt from her trip last week- Beautiful country.

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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

I think that Mubarak along with the pro-Western puppets are all under fire. They'll be gone before long; they've done so much harm agrr.

Hypocrisy is still looming over the White House. The same U.S., that walked the extra step -leaving us insolvent with no money- and sailed the high seas to democratize Iraq and save it from the evil of dictatorship, stands reluctant today to denounce the 30 yr rule of another dictator who's ruled with an iron fist.

Double standards anybody??
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

This is basically history, rise of freedom in ME and total crash down of the western foreign policies in the region, people tasted freedom and won't ever get back to darkness again.

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I think that Mubarak along with the pro-Western puppets are all under fire. They'll be gone before long; they've done so much harm agrr.

Hypocrisy is still looming over the White House. The same U.S., that walked the extra step -leaving us insolvent with no money- and sailed the high seas to democratize Iraq and save it from the evil of dictatorship, stands reluctant today to denounce the 30 yr rule of another dictator who's ruled with an iron fist.

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Iranian TV is already announcing that Egypt is to become an Islamic Republic and wait for it- Iran hopes that they will be able to hold free and fair elections just like Irans...................... Tying a tight cordon around Egypt to make sure there is no outside interference can go both ways! El Baradei knows how to handle the Iranains, because he knows them well. And he has Obama's ear.
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Iranian TV is already announcing that Egypt is to become an Islamic Republic and wait for it- Iran hopes that they will be able to hold free and fair elections just like Irans...................... Tying a tight cordon around Egypt to make sure there is no outside interference can go both ways! El Baradei knows how to handle the Iranains, because he knows them well. And he has Obama's ear.
The fall of Mubarak is imminent I think. He should try to quickly contact a real estate agent and find him a decent flat in Jeddah.

I salute the indefatigability of the Egyptian people and the Tunisians before them. You are making history! March on, you are brave! Let no one dictate to you whom to vote for, as they simply don't care about you or your future as long as your leaders are in line with them. Dictators or not, it's all irrelevant as long as those in power remain loyal to the West.
If you don't believe me just ask Joe Biden, the US's v.p.. Here is what he said:
“Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things. And he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interest in the region, the Middle East peace efforts; the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing relationship with – with Israel. … I would not refer to him as a dictator.”

What a load of crap!
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Clinton is calling for a smooth transition to a democratic state. This is definitely a new attitude of US towards egyptian authorities.
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