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Old 30.01.2011, 20:56
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The fall of Mubarak is imminent I think. He should try to quickly contact a real estate agent and find him a decent flat in Jeddah.

I salute the indefatigability of the Egyptian people and the Tunisians before them. You are making history! March on, you are brave! Let no one dictate to you whom to vote for, as they simply don't care about you or your future as long as your leaders are in line with them. Dictators or not, it's all irrelevant as long as those in power remain loyal to the West.
If you don't believe me just ask Joe Biden, the US's v.p.. Here is what he said:
“Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things. And he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interest in the region, the Middle East peace efforts; the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing relationship with – with Israel. … I would not refer to him as a dictator.”

What a load of crap!
Unrests in Sudan, Yemen, Jordan are first signs of further changes. I think it would be a real nightmare for Israel if they lost 2 important allies like Egypt and Jordan in the region.
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Old 30.01.2011, 21:26
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I think that Mubarak along with the pro-Western puppets are all under fire. They'll be gone before long; they've done so much harm agrr.

Hypocrisy is still looming over the White House. The same U.S., that walked the extra step -leaving us insolvent with no money- and sailed the high seas to democratize Iraq and save it from the evil of dictatorship, stands reluctant today to denounce the 30 yr rule of another dictator who's ruled with an iron fist.

Double standards anybody??
I think you will find the US are involved on all sides; whoever gets to lead Egypt will need multi billion US support to survive or will crash & burn.

The expression you are looking for is pragmatism not hypocrisy.
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Old 30.01.2011, 21:30
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Unrests in Sudan, Yemen, Jordan are first signs of further changes. I think it would be a real nightmare for Israel if they lost 2 important allies like Egypt and Jordan in the region.
Why would Israel lose important allies like Egypt and Jordan in the region?
Political realities are still political realities no matter who heads these states.
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Old 30.01.2011, 21:37
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Why would Israel lose important allies like Egypt and Jordan in the region?
Political realities are still political realities no matter who heads these states.
before 1979, Iran of Shah was an ally of Israel. It changed when Khomeiny came.
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Old 30.01.2011, 21:44
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I think you will find the US are involved on all sides; whoever gets to lead Egypt will need multi billion US support to survive or will crash & burn.

The expression you are looking for is pragmatism not hypocrisy.
If anybody's in need of a multi trillion support, it is the U.S. itself. the trade Deficit just hit a new high of 1.5 trillion for fiscal year 2010.

Soon enough, we won't have any $ to support anybody...friend or enemy.

Pragmatism? ahh now we move over to us foreign policy rhetoric...
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Old 30.01.2011, 21:51
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before 1979, Iran of Shah was an ally of Israel. It changed when Khomeiny came.
I think what happened 40 years ago is ancient history. Everybody has learnt their lessons & developed their strategies.
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Old 30.01.2011, 21:57
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If anybody's in need of a multi trillion support, it is the U.S. itself. the trade Deficit just hit a new high of 1.5 trillion for fiscal year 2010.

Soon enough, we won't have any $ to support anybody...friend or enemy.

Pragmatism? ahh now we move over to us foreign policy rhetoric...
Any new Egyptian leader will need a lot of external financial support to avoid the kind of unrest we see today.

The US can turn on the printing presses & provide the necessary in hours.

Iran would like to be in the game but does not have a big enough stack of chips to enter.
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:21
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This is basically history, rise of freedom in ME and total crash down of the western foreign policies in the region, people tasted freedom and won't ever get back to darkness again.
What do you think or hope for will the the foreign policy of a democratic regime in Egypt ?
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:23
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Mubarak is still playing games, now he's playing the oldest war game ever (destabilize to rule), by putting psychological pressure on citizens, create fear factor, generate rumors and sense of insecurity then return back in feast of steel to be a national hero who saved Egypt.....the guy is a fox and will end up being assassinated if this works, that's the same scenario that happened with Sadat 28 years ago, history is repeating it self 28 years later
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:33
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Mubarak is still playing games, now he's playing the oldest war game ever (destabilize to rule), by putting psychological pressure on citizens, create fear factor, generate rumors and sense of insecurity then return back in feast of steel to be a national hero who saved Egypt.....the guy is a fox and will end up being assassinated if this works, that's the same scenario that happened with Sadat 28 years ago, history is repeating it self 28 years later
What has he got to lose ? As long as he hoped for U.S support he played by the rules - water guns, tear gas, batons. Once he realized that the U.S is not backing him he is using the same methods the Iranians did less than a year ago.

If the demonstrations fail to remove him this week, Egypt will have a military dictator.
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:48
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If the demonstrations fail to remove him this week, Egypt will have a military dictator.
the nomination of Omar Suleiman & Ahmad Shafiq is a sign that I translate to: the army is in charge now, taking control. Both of them are well-known to US & israeli officials. I think Mubarak is out and has no control anymore. The army just waits for the ideal moment to announce his departure.
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Re: Egypt- "Jan25_ Day of revolution"

Unfortunately it's starting to look this way somehow, even the media reporting tone is softening as if it's just another storm and it passed.....if this happens, then the west proves again how tolerant they can be for their own profits regardless of any human rights or any principles democracy.

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What has he got to lose ? As long as he hoped for U.S support he played by the rules - water guns, tear gas, batons. Once he realized that the U.S is not backing him he is using the same methods the Iranians did less than a year ago.

If the demonstrations fail to remove him this week, Egypt will have a military dictator.
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the guy is a fox and will end up being assassinated if this works, that's the same scenario that happened with Sadat 28 years ago, history is repeating it self 28 years later
The difference is that Mubarak is a traitor to his country and nation.
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Old 30.01.2011, 22:58
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Unfortunately it's starting to look this way somehow, even the media reporting tone is softening as if it's just another storm and it passed.....if this happens, then the west proves again how tolerant they can be for their own profits regardless of any human rights or any principles democracy.
It's not over till it's over.

What more should the west do ? Obama seems to have cut Mubarak loose and other western leaders are not showing support either.
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Old 30.01.2011, 23:05
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It's not over till it's over.

What more should the west do ? Obama seems to have cut Mubarak loose and other western leaders are not showing support either.
Economical pressure, embargo, blacklisting him as others ie. Ahmedinjad....it's enough to destroy him internally and on the international front.

The only thing this bastard and his gang seem to understand is money, so maybe they should speak his own language.
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Old 30.01.2011, 23:19
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Economical pressure, embargo, blacklisting him as others ie. Ahmedinjad....it's enough to destroy him internally and on the international front.

The only thing this bastard and his gang seem to understand is money, so maybe they should speak his own language.
You welcomed the "total crash down of the western foreign policies in the region" and you want the west to pressure pro-western dictators ?
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I think what happened 40 years ago is ancient history. Everybody has learnt their lessons & developed their strategies.
We hope! But please I'm not that old, it wasn't 40 years ago. I was a tender teen at the time.
Don't underestimate Iran-think about Iraq and Afghanistan. as far as I am concerned get Muburak out and El Baradei in as soon as possible get rid of the Generals, promote the commanders. Close down outside communications until this is achieved, there are many Egyptians abroad who are waiting to seize power, many disenchanted and influenced by extreme Muslim fanaticism- keep them out.
I hope that eventually Israel (but not Likud) will have friendly neighbours once they recognize Palestine.
Netanyahu has already forbidden his minsters to mention Egypt and China is censoring coverage.
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as far as I am concerned get Muburak out and El Baradei in as soon as possible
Who is Albaradei for Egyptians?? simply nobody

I liked what a retired general said on satellite channel. Egypt is 85 Million not a tribe where a guy who lived outside Egypt for the last 30 years and standing in Tahrir square in Cairo with couple of thousands claims he speaks for the nation !!!
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Any new Egyptian leader will need a lot of external financial support to avoid the kind of unrest we see today.

The US can turn on the printing presses & provide the necessary in hours.

Iran would like to be in the game but does not have a big enough stack of chips to enter.
Simply non-true. The U.S. has only started handing out foreign aid to prop up the Egyptian military since the 80s. Evidently, the Egyptians had been surviving up to that date.
Non-military aid to Egypt was cut to $200 million for 2009, the per capita share is a measly $2.60 in a country with an average gross domestic income of $2000. I think that they'll survive regardless...

Defying nature's law of supply & demand, the U.S. can freely run its running presses with no risk of hyperinflation whatsoever...Umm ok !

Iranians have already showed the disregard they have for US backed organizations...
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Who is Albaradei for Egyptians?? simply nobody

I liked what a retired general said on satellite channel. Egypt is 85 Million not a tribe where a guy who lived outside Egypt for the last 30 years and standing in Tahrir square in Cairo with couple of thousands claims he speaks for the nation !!!
Albaradei currently has the backing of the Muslim Brotherhood, the largest opposition bloc in Egyptian society.
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