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MrVertigo 25.01.2011 11:31

Egypt "Jan 25 - Day of revolution" [Update: Mubarak resigns]
 
Youth activists, Islamists, workers and football fans to hold rallies and marches against Mubarak government. If you are on Twitter you can follow on #JAN25, that's where it's happening.

princeali 25.01.2011 11:35

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1080397)
Youth activists, Islamists, workers and football fans to hold rallies and marches against Mubarak government. If you are on Twitter you can follow on #JAN25, that's where it's happening.

Way to go, dude - stoke the flames of civil unrest from a distance hoping to get browny points as being a subtle "democracy/human rights/any of the fancy rhetorics" crusader.

MrVertigo 25.01.2011 11:42

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Originally Posted by princeali (Post 1080402)
Way to go, dude - stoke the flames of civil unrest from a distance hoping to get browny points as being a subtle "democracy/human rights/any of the fancy rhetorics" crusader.

Great constructive post.

NotAllThere 25.01.2011 11:51

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Anyone got any popcorn?

princeali 25.01.2011 22:56

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1080411)
Great constructive post.

Don't mention it. Just my two cents as never before did I come across the word "Islamists" used in such a supposedly positive sentence construction in a "western" communication medium.

Mowvich 26.01.2011 04:50

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That have nothing to do with Islamists, this is pure Egyptians protests, these protests gathered muslims, christians, there were men, women, young, children from all over the country, these are fed up angry citizens who cannot afford even buying bread anymore, who cannot find jobs, who dig their and their children's food from the garbage everyday, who are forced by a corrupt violent regime to obey and obey on daily basis, who never had the right to speak out for 30 years, it is about time they ask for their basic rights to live as human beings without people judging them or being sarcastic about it.

Today i felt really proud to be a citizen of such a great nation, who finally are getting back control over their lives, i have been following all day and were so glad to see the young generation stand out with nothing but pure courage and no fear against 30 years of corruption and oppression.

Here are some footage of the day, as per the info i'm receiving, they're planning to continue till tomorrow and maybe till thursday.








http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3732427_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...7_355712_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2677166_n.jpg

MrVertigo 26.01.2011 09:20

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Yup, quite impressive move from egyptian youth. Interesting is the reference to the tunisian revolution as well.
Mubarak DEGAGE!

Pashosh 26.01.2011 10:35

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Rumors abound that Jamal (Jimmy) Mubarak - the persident's son and (former?) likely candidate to inherit the presidency fled to London.

Unless the Egyptian regime proves that this is rumor is false the demostrations will grow.

These demonstrations are without precedent in Egypt - no one predicted them before Tunisia. it could be that we are seeing a new political phenomena in the arab world.

Whether it is the 1917 or 1989 of the Arabs is the big question.

MrVertigo 26.01.2011 11:30

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Many analysts (good or bad) compare it to what happend in 1968 in europe with youth requesting more freedom, rights, etc....
Time will tell, but there is no way back from what I see. Other regimes in the area should already pack to Saudi Arabia.

Wasted 26.01.2011 13:55

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1081710)
Many analysts (good or bad) compare it to what happend in 1968 in europe with youth requesting more freedom, rights, etc....
Time will tell, but there is no way back from what I see. Other regimes in the area should already pack to Saudi Arabia.

I already had suspicions that something bigger is in the air ever since the Wikileaks drama.

Revolt in Tunisia.

Uncertainity in Morocco and Algeria, along with Jordan, Yemen and and many other Arab states anticipating such revolts.

Egyptians already on the roll and US downscaling funds and support for Democratic regimes in Egypt and other Arab states.

There have been incidents of self immolation in other Arab states including Saudi Arabia, any future incident can be a trigger as in Tunisia.

Leaked info about Palestinian Authority short selling Palestinians, and accusing Emir of Qatar of delibrating it via Aljazeera.

Iran defiant and holding its stance.

Pro Hizbollah candidate PM in Lebanon.

Attack on Moscow airport just before Russian President was preparing himself to propose Russia as a viable home for foreign investment at the Davos Business Forum and Russians vowing revenge.

Economic gloom in EU, US and rest of the world.

All these can prove to be a dangerous mix to a volatile situation. My only concern is, if its really people's choice or something being orchestrated with certain end in sight by certain invisible forces.

MrVertigo 26.01.2011 15:36

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Originally Posted by Wasted (Post 1081931)
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All these can prove to be a dangerous mix to a volatile situation. My only concern is, if its really people's choice or something being orchestrated with certain end in sight by certain invisible forces.

Hmm what i've seen are rather grassroot movements that are getting momentum (snowball effect).

Macchiato 26.01.2011 15:37

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Majority of Egyptians are unhappy with corrupted dictator they have, but there is a high risk of Islamist radicals who are popular among millions of poor and very poor people, taking over the rule, which means, many will be missing this regime if this happens! :msnblush::o

Mowvich 26.01.2011 15:51

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Protests started for the second day in several cities, government is blocking most social media and prohibiting local and international media coverage, they are using violent methods at the moment against protestors :mad:

MrVertigo 26.01.2011 15:56

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Originally Posted by Macchiato (Post 1082046)
Majority of Egyptians are unhappy with corrupted dictator they have, but there is a high risk of Islamist radicals who are popular among millions of poor and very poor people, taking over the rule, which means, many will be missing this regime if this happens! :msnblush::o

By "many will be missing this regime" you are talking about western countries (US, Europe) who are supporting Mubarak? I don't think the egyptian people will miss him.
The risk of radical islamists is low; the people are asking for more freedom mainly not for more religion. It could be that islamism is more in the fantasy of western countries in this case.

Good test for the government will be Friday after the prayer.

Wasted 26.01.2011 16:58

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 1082045)
Hmm what i've seen are rather grassroot movements that are getting momentum (snowball effect).

It could be, I was stating my personal views and I prefer to look at things on a collective perspective (where possible) rather than on random, isolated eventualities.

The Opposition parties are most likely to benefit from these revolutions, but the question would be are they any better than the present rulers?

People are not revolting for more freedom or even religion, its about unemployment and having enough money/opportunities to earn their livelihoods. Though such revolts are always portrayed as fight for freedom and rights, whereas when one is well fed and comfortable then one is least likely to take it to the streets for anything.

Things have been dire in for common folks in that region for a long time, only now they have gotten aggressive about it. There are triggers and then there are instigators.

I would say world economics is fully saturated, there can only be so much debt/asset to be passed around. So it has to be written off and substantial number of shareholders/stakeholders to get rid off. What better way then to do it in the backdrop of war and confusion.

Pashosh 26.01.2011 17:07

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Conspiracy is history for idiots.

The muslim brothers seem to be playing this right - keeping quiet.
If the demos fail - no excuse for the government to crack down, if they succeed - they will demand to be part of the new regime.

Lejoker 26.01.2011 17:22

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 1082156)
Conspiracy is history for idiots.

The muslim brothers seem to be playing this right - keeping quiet.
If the demos fail - no excuse for the government to crack down, if they succeed - they will demand to be part of the new regime.

I beg to differ...
When your access to information is extremely limited, as is the case for the majority of Egyptians, you're indeed prone to believe whatever is being said...Even your local garbage collector's word is credible -not to belittle garbage collectors, but you get the idea...

Pashosh 26.01.2011 17:38

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point taken. Change to "Conspiracy is history for the uninformed".


Wasted 26.01.2011 17:46

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 1082156)
Conspiracy is history for idiots.

The muslim brothers seem to be playing this right - keeping quiet.
If the demos fail - no excuse for the government to crack down, if they succeed - they will demand to be part of the new regime.

History is chronology and description of past events and conspiracy is secret collusion of individuals for certian end. Get your comparision right knobhead.

They will have this right to demand on the basis of sitting on a fence while common people were on the streets?

BTW... How do you explain Orange and Rose revolts in Ukraine and Georgia? Work of Islamists, perhaps? How about Industrial Revolution? I mean it was a revolution, no?

You need to add some more possible causes and outcomes to your 2 bit brain and analytical process.

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Originally Posted by Pashosh (Post 1082218)
point taken. Change to "Conspiracy is history for the uninformed".

Or even, "conspiracy is the excuse to be in uninformed."

The way I see things, one can be either right or wrong.

Mowvich 26.01.2011 18:36

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Demonstrators are becoming more and more fearless in Egypt against security forces, photo of the day

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._8196179_n.jpg

Audio recording from Jack Shenker, the Guardian's reporter in Cairo who was beaten by police alongside protesters last night. He recorded the experience as they were driven in the dark through the city

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/audi...r-arrest-audio


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