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Old 09.02.2011, 18:36
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It could be him believing in people's faith.
Yeah, he's not killing them, he's saving them.
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Old 09.02.2011, 18:43
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Yawn back at you Is JK Rowling a prophet? Did she tell anyone to live their lives based on Harry Potter revelations? You said all religions are same and I said they are not. The mere fact that some religions are monotheist and other polytheist proves that all religions are not same and I have not even gone into the actual teachings, content of the different religious books or the founding personalities of various religions.

So all religions or their teachings are not same. If they were then we would not have so many brands of religions. It's fashionable, politically correct and worse of all intellectually dishonest to say that all religions are same.

I mean it's obvious that Judaism is the bee's knees.
*yyyyyyyyawwwwwwn*

1. JK Rowling may be a prophet. So might Mohammed. Who's to say?
2. Who knows what Mohammed, Moses, Jesus actually said?
3. I said all religions are essentially the same. I don't believe the monotheism/polytheism schism to be as wide as might be thought - I believe they're effectually the same. You know they're spelled differently too

Saying all religions are essentially the same isn't to my knowledge "fashionable" and is probably one of the most politically incorrect things that can be said.

I invite you to this thread, where you might get something correct.
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Old 09.02.2011, 18:44
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Yeah, he's not killing them, he's saving them.
Saving them from lame Ghana, and sending them straight to paradise. He's like one giant, human suicide bomb pack for Catholics.
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Old 09.02.2011, 18:44
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Trev I actually have nothing against Indonesians or for that matter most people. In fact Indonesia has a very rich history of religious and cultural tolerance. In recent years it has take a dive though but still majority are very nice people and I should hope so. I was just against the full clean bill of health that people hand out like candy.

Btw Bali is 90-95% non Muslim in case you were not aware.
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Old 09.02.2011, 18:47
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Btw Bali is 90-95% non Muslim in case you were not aware.
I was - that's why I meant that a trip to Bali doesn't count as experience to comment on the attitude of Indonesian Muslims...
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Old 09.02.2011, 18:51
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Yeah, he's not killing them, he's saving them.
Cyrus, you know that I didn't say that!

In this case, why do you think he did it? Why do you think he said those things? To commit a long term Genocide?
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Old 09.02.2011, 18:51
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I am sure you can dig deeper to learn the problems religious minorities are facing there but don't let that get in the way of giving Indonesia a complete clean bill of health.
I am loth to give anything attached to religion a clean bill of health. Indonesia has a population the same as the U.S.A. That is a lot of people and there are going to be whack jobs in the mix, but I tell you that the time that I spent out there was eye-opening, infact even alien to me to find such a tollerant and open culture overall, across both the muslim, hindu and buddhist communities that I met and spoke to.

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Now with all this said. I wish to excercise my right of not participating and dignifying this thread with any more responses because I do not NEED to justify why I have A**holes in my faith or any other for that matter because I don't think I owe it to anyone's ignorance of facts, sense of reality and lack of common sense.
Stop right there.....you are going to end up making me feel tollerant towards religious people again.

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It could be him wanting to do a form of genocide.

It could be him believing in people's faith.
Nil, I am calling him evil because of his actions, not his intentions. For all I know he could be a really sweet old man.....weejeem seems to know him best, let's ask him.

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I mean it's obvious that Judaism is the bee's knees.
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Old 09.02.2011, 18:53
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Saving them from lame Ghana, and sending them straight to paradise. He's like one giant, human suicide bomb pack for Catholics.
Thanks, now I have to go and find a cloth to wipe that soda that came out of my nose off my monitor and keyboard. Funniest post today!
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Old 09.02.2011, 19:05
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*yyyyyyyyawwwwwwn*

1. JK Rowling may be a prophet. So might Mohammed. Who's to say?
2. Who knows what Mohammed, Moses, Jesus actually said?
3. I said all religions are essentially the same. I don't believe the monotheism/polytheism schism to be as wide as might be thought - I believe they're effectually the same. You know they're spelled differently too


Point 1&2: I am not making any prophetic claims. I am just basing my argument that all religions are not same on the claims the various religions themselves make. Take it up with the relevant religions regarding the validity of all the bogus or non bogus claims they make.

Point 3: I believe I can live without oxygen for 10 days. You see we can all believe what ever we want but all religions are not essentially the same. Is a truck a bicycle? Is an aeroplane a horse? Yes they are all modes of transportation similar to how Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Christianity etc are religions but they are still essentially different with different teachings.
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Old 09.02.2011, 19:17
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Point 3: I believe I can live without oxygen for 10 days. You see we can all believe what ever we want but all religions are not essentially the same. Is a truck a bicycle? Is an aeroplane a horse? Yes they are all modes of transportation similar to how Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Christianity etc are religions but they are still essentially different with different teachings.
Is this a semantic debate?
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Old 09.02.2011, 19:19
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What is more striking imho, if that there are huge differences within those religions. It is not long ago that Catholics and Protestants were killing and burning each other because some believed the bread turned into the body of Christ whilst others did not. Here in my area of CH, Catholics and Protestants were still at war with each other until very recently. And the Catholics of the Upper Valais/Wallis are still very different to those in Zurich. Some still take the old testament to be literally correct, most do not. The Christian religion/s spectrum is huge, and so is that of Islam.
And on top of that there is enormous local cultural/geographical bias for both, and for most other religions too.
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Is this a semantic debate?
I don't know. All I know is that my head hurts ever since I started posting on this forum. Between the wife beating thread, bird shit thread and now this! I have limited brain power and this drainage of my finite brain reserves cannot be sustained.

I am out! You are all an excellent bunch. Keep up the good work.

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Old 09.02.2011, 19:28
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Cyrus, you know that I didn't say that!

In this case, why do you think he did it? Why do you think he said those things? To commit a long term Genocide?
I honestly don't know why he said it, something about condoms or birth control interfering with gods plan.

Maybe it's just a recruitment plan to get as many catholics as possible, maybe he's more concerned about the afterlife than this life and considers the sacrifice worth it.

I don't understand it, we only see the consequences and a demand for tolerance of it, that we should somehow see what he's doing in a good light.
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What is more striking imho, if that there are huge differences within those religions.
This is an excellent point and most probably the best point made with relevance to this thread itself. No matter if it is culture, politics, religion or anything else that people care to argue about, the average person is most probably very tollerant. It is always the fanatics that cause the problems.
Therefore we could most probably agree that multiculturalism is good and well in the UK, but fanaticism is causing significant problems. It is a pity that people like to polarize things so much instead of looking for common good.
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I don't know. All I know is that my head hurts ever since I started posting on this forum. Between the wife beating thread, bird shit thread and now this! I have limited brain power and this drainage of my finite brain reserves cannot be sustained.
Growth is pain and good discussion generally brings growth. Thanks for your contribution.
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I don't know. All I know is that my head hurts ever since I started posting on this forum. Between the wife beating thread, bird shit thread and now this! I have limited brain power and this drainage of my finite brain reserves cannot be sustained.
You know, afterr you exercise your muscle hurts and that's good because it's a sign your muscle is growing stronger.

If after thinking your brain hurts, that's a good sign because you're getting smarter
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Nil, I am calling him evil because of his actions, not his intentions. For all I know he could be a really sweet old man.....weejeem seems to know him best, let's ask him.
Let me cut the hair in four (french expression) But he actually did nothing! He didn't take the condoms away nor force people into it.

He talked.

I am back on my point about liberty of expression. He spoke his mind on the matter. And since everything should be good to say (according to the Saint right of saying everything you want defenders) why should he be responsable for that?

Keep in mind what is the pro-freedom of speech at all cost tell us: That it is people's right to express their opinion no matter what. Not my opinion, mind you!

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I honestly don't know why he said it, something about condoms or birth control interfering with gods plan.

Maybe it's just a recruitment plan to get as many catholics as possible, maybe he's more concerned about the afterlife than this life and considers the sacrifice worth it.

I don't understand it, we only see the consequences and a demand for tolerance of it, that we should somehow see what he's doing in a good light.
Thank you for this honest and constructive answer!
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Re: David Cameron has finally awakened - attacks multiculturalism

Multiculturalism is a luxury (and most desirable) few countries afford to maintain. If the minorities are willing to do their fair share for obtaining the general welfare and to obey the state's laws, it's working, otherwise, no way. I know what I'm talking about..
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Nil, you are not a Catholic are you? This is not so prevalent nowadays in say the UK and Switzerland- but in Africa Christianism is still of the traditional type. Hence the Bishops comments on homosexuality being an abomination, and the total refusal to even consider the ordination of women. They say the European Catholic Church has lost her way and is betraying the Bible and its teaching. When my father was young, and even for Catholics of my generation - they were told that if they didn't obey word for word, they would burn in hell- and they believed it. Same in Africa now - so it is not 'just' talk or fatherly advice!
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Multiculturalism is a luxury (and most desirable) few countries afford to maintain. If the minorities are willing to do their fair share for obtaining the general welfare and to obey the state's laws, it's working, otherwise, no way. I know what I'm talking about..
Totally agree that it has to be a two way thing. Much much easier to say no to abuses though, if you show respect and tolerance. The wholesale obvious hatred of Islam and Muslims plays right into the hands of the extremists.
And why Cameron wants to encourage more segregation through schools, is just an aberration. Sadly, as long as 'we' insist on keeping segregated schools for different Christian and non-Christian groups- things will not improve.
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