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Old 06.03.2011, 07:05
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Heavy sustained gunfire in Tripoli. Reporter Nic Robertson seems think that it is celebratory gunfire as the state TV are saying - he had a bullet oin his balcony which he assumes is from bullets fired into the air. However there are other unconfirmed reports that the gunfire is from fighting in the city.
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Old 06.03.2011, 11:03
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Quote from newspapers "In the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, an SAS unit of up to eight men was being held after a secret mission to put British diplomats in touch with leading opponents of the regime ended in humiliation, the Sunday Times reported."

Quote from my post 192 "Looks like the SAS could be sent into Libya on a mission impossible face saving exercise for Cameron. Lord help us all..... "

Nuff said!!
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Old 06.03.2011, 17:16
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Quote from newspapers "In the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, an SAS unit of up to eight men was being held after a secret mission to put British diplomats in touch with leading opponents of the regime ended in humiliation, the Sunday Times reported."

Quote from my post 192 "Looks like the SAS could be sent into Libya on a mission impossible face saving exercise for Cameron. Lord help us all..... "

Nuff said!!
It's a bit silly really it seems as if, if you get to know the right people then Cameron could have just got the rebel leader's cell phone number. I'm guessing that they were there to rescue someone probably oil guys or someone shredding documents?

A senior member of Benghazi's revolutionary council said: "They were carrying espionage equipment, reconnaissance equipment, multiple passports and weapons. This is no way to conduct yourself during an uprising.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...sas-unit-libya
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Old 06.03.2011, 17:58
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The Daily Mail has some interesting photographs.

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Today's rescue operation for Britons stranded in the desert comes after it emerged embattled Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi secretly deposited £3bn with a London-based private wealth manager.
As rebels began their uprising in eastern Libya last week, a Swiss intermediary working for the dictator brokered a deal to transfer the funds from the oil-rich nation.
But a similar attempt five weeks ago was rebuffed when senior staff at a separate City stockbroking firm learned of the source of the money, The Times reported.
The firm's chief executive told The Times: 'I said no, because personally I'm not comfortable dealing with murdering dictators with blood on their hands.'
However, the transaction went ahead with a Mayfair-based private wealth manager last week.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-desert.html
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Old 06.03.2011, 23:17
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It's a bit silly really it seems as if, if you get to know the right people then Cameron could have just got the rebel leader's cell phone number. I'm guessing that they were there to rescue someone probably oil guys or someone shredding documents?

A senior member of Benghazi's revolutionary council said: "They were carrying espionage equipment, reconnaissance equipment, multiple passports and weapons. This is no way to conduct yourself during an uprising.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...sas-unit-libya
Official british govt. statement today "'I can confirm that a small British diplomatic team has been in Benghazi. The team went to Libya to initiate contacts with the opposition. They experienced difficulties, which have now been satisfactorily resolved. They have now left Libya"

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"Cameron red-faced as Libyan authorities release phone calls showing diplomat operation had amateur feel"

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Old 08.03.2011, 07:49
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

You know, I've skipped this entire thread, but I wanted a place to express some impotent outrage over Western politicians on this Libya situation, so... I typed up an entire rant to post here.

Then I realized that I felt better, and that everyone already knows that politicians are worthless scum, and there wasn't much point in posting it at all.

So thank you English Forum, you cured me.
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Any processing of trading instructions from Gadaffi would trigger Money Laundering regulations and increased monitoring. He is a PEP (Politically Exposed Person) and as such Bank's won't touch him due to the focus that all his transactions would get. No Swiss Bank will assist Gadaffi. There is no doubt in my mind that he could not convince any compliant bank that the source of his funds is legitimate. If you want to find out what Banks flout these regulations and are handling his funds, look no further than US banks such as JPM and GS.

$32Billion. 0.05% management/handling fee... Who wouldn't lose there licence and retire for such a commission. To hell with the fall out.
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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Official british govt. statement today "'I can confirm that a small British diplomatic team has been in Benghazi. The team went to Libya to initiate contacts with the opposition. They experienced difficulties, which have now been satisfactorily resolved. They have now left Libya"

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"Cameron red-faced as Libyan authorities release phone calls showing diplomat operation had amateur feel"
It seems that they used fake passports - One would think that the British won't resort to such lowly tactics (Mr Miliband said that “interference with British passports is an outrage”), or at least know how to use fake passports to get rid of terrorists.

Pathetic.
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Old 08.03.2011, 16:13
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It seems that they used fake passports - One would think that the British won't resort to such lowly tactics (Mr Miliband said that “interference with British passports is an outrage”), or at least know how to use fake passports to get rid of terrorists.

Pathetic.
Why do you sound so surprised and disgusted ? Show me one Government that doesn't say one thing and then does the other, or involves itself in dirty tricks, questionable tactics and subterfuge ?
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Old 08.03.2011, 16:35
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Why do you sound so surprised and disgusted ? Show me one Government that doesn't say one thing and then does the other, or involves itself in dirty tricks, questionable tactics and subterfuge ?
What's the tag for irony ?

If only the dirty trick was successful - they should try tennis raquets next time.
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Old 08.03.2011, 16:59
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What's the tag for irony ?

If only the dirty trick was successful - they should try tennis raquets next time.
Yep, they have mastered both the underhand and the lobby, plus they have all that fancy new equipment courtesy of the US

Anyone for Tennis?
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Old 08.03.2011, 17:09
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Getting very surreal in Libya now - or even more surreal?

Apparently those journalists who were invited to Libya to show how open & free & peaceful it is are now at an hotel where they have been told that if they attempt to go upstairs in the hotel then they will be shot???

Anyway they are probably better off than those invited journalists who have been beaten up or locked in cells overnight.....
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Getting very surreal in Libya now - or even more surreal?

Apparently those journalists who were invited to Libya to show how open & free & peaceful it is are now at an hotel where they have been told that if they attempt to go upstairs in the hotel then they will be shot???

Anyway they are probably better off than those invited journalists who have been beaten up or locked in cells overnight.....
Aha! Now we know where Ghaddafi is hiding out- upstairs form the journalists!

He is probably thinking that it is the safest place- the demonstrators don't want to harm the journalists and neither do the international forces. Is he is using the journalists as human shields?

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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

any updates on Libya? i heard that the rebels are being pushed back...
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Old 13.03.2011, 12:16
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any updates on Libya? i heard that the rebels are being pushed back...
Partially yes. They overall are losing out in Tripolitania, while being able to defend the Cyrenaika. This at least is how it looks right now. Much in the end may depend on whether all of the Air Force continues to stay loyal to the Khaddafi regime.
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Old 13.03.2011, 19:35
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The fact that a chinese warship as sailed up the Suez to Libya is causing a lot of consternation, especially considering that China has its first aircraft carrier, the port in Baluchistan, interests to protect in Africa, massive investment in the navy etc.
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Old 16.03.2011, 12:42
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

The rebels are losing - Why shouldn't the Egyptian army, which is:
1. So fond of protecting civilians.
2. Better equipped than the Libyan army.
3. Not a western army - but financially supported by the U.S

Intervene ?
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The rebels are losing - Why shouldn't the Egyptian army, which is:
1. So fond of protecting civilians.
2. Better equipped than the Libyan army.
3. Not a western army - but financially supported by the U.S

Intervene ?
egypt & tunisia still too instable to take any military initiative after getting rid of their dictators.
The rebels need supply of weapons, heavy artillery. If Kadhaffi succeeds in staying in power it's going to be a big failure of the intern. community. If they don't manage to get rid of him, I don't see them getting rid of iranian regime.
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Old 16.03.2011, 14:38
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egypt & tunisia still too instable to take any military initiative after getting rid of their dictators.
The rebels need supply of weapons, heavy artillery. If Kadhaffi succeeds in staying in power it's going to be a big failure of the intern. community. If they don't manage to get rid of him, I don't see them getting rid of iranian regime.

True but I think Kadhaffi will have his hands full trying to subdue Benghazi. Kadhaffi will put in what? 10,000 troops? Benghazi has maybe 700K or 1 Million people so great superiority of numbers.
Of course open questions are;
How many Benghazi people willing to fight?
How many weapons in Benghazi hands?
How bloody will the battle be?

Apart from which Kadhaffi is a nutter (which does not help the rebels).
He said today;
"France now raises its head and says that it will strike Libya,"
"Strike Libya?" he asked. "We'll be the one who strikes you! We struck you in Algeria, in Vietnam"

So Kadhaffi is now claiming to be Asian?
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egypt & tunisia still too instable to take any military initiative after getting rid of their dictators.
The rebels need supply of weapons, heavy artillery. If Kadhaffi succeeds in staying in power it's going to be a big failure of the intern. community. If they don't manage to get rid of him, I don't see them getting rid of iranian regime.
Egypt is still ruled by a dictator - who can easily send a small part of Egypt's vast army (>800,000) to defend Libyan civilians against Gaddafi's army (<10,000). It already beat Gaddafi once.

Why would any western leader intervene in Libya ? it's a lose-lose situation.
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