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Old 20.02.2011, 23:54
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One of ther first things I noticed when I moved to Libya, were the number of cars with Swiss number plates. It didn`t take long to realise that there were a lot of Swiss connections with Libya. I am not at all surprised that there would be Libyan money here.
Libyan money? See post number 4!
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Gadaffi took all his money away many months ago, to punish us all after arresting his thuggish son.
Is that why we have kept all the Egyptian guys money?
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Old 21.02.2011, 00:36
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Unrests are gaining the capital Tripoli now. Two important tribes have announced that they support the revolution against Kadhafi.

Sayf, Kadhafi's son is going to give a speech on TV.

Why do people riot in Libya?
- corruption
- lack of freedom
- libya's underdevelopment compared to revenue generated by oil
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Yes, you are probably right - especially in regards to the level of "development" in relation to the amount made from oil production. And as one other peson posted, it`s a shame that Dictators don`t use more of the countries income to bring up living standards for all. ghowever, in LIbya`s cas, I do feel that the riots could be lead by an extremist minority, and are not necessarily the willof the average person in the country. The average, may become the victims of the next regime that greedily takes over. ANd that is, I feel a shame. I felt a more relaxed, contented atmosphere in Libya, than I have felt in most other countries I have lived in.
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Gaddaffi about to bite the dust?

http://af.reuters.com/article/commod...110220?sp=true
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...uammar-gaddafi
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

I understand that schools are still open in Tripoli, including the British one,which is relying on the embassy for advice. So the protesting cannot be city wide. (yet)
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Old 21.02.2011, 10:30
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

I had the opportunity to listen to Sayf Kadhafi's speech on TV. It's the first time I see him addressing people on TV and I must the guy is a real retarded. I thought/heard he's more "intelligent" than the rest of the family but clearly the genes are playing here. He tried to scare the people by puting the civil war in front and the risk of colonization! I don't know what he smokes or takes, but it's for sure he takes the strong & real one.
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Old 21.02.2011, 15:40
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Libyan army massacring demonstrators, Iran ditto - good to know the U.N has reacted and help is on the way.

Oh, hang on - it didn't.

Interesting to read Human Rights Watch report from 2009 about the "Tripoli Spring" - and their positive view of Saif al-Islam. Apperantly he was "outspoken on the need to improve the country's human rights record".

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Old 21.02.2011, 18:32
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

London School of Economics reconsiders "ties" with Libya.
Yes suddenly the money stinks.
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Old 21.02.2011, 20:26
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Seems to be a very confused situation, from the Guardian;
  • Two Libyan fighter jets and two civilian helicopters have landed in Malta. (there is a photo in the Telegraph of one of the Libyan fighter jets in Malta!)
  • Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, "may have gone to Venezuela", British foreign secretary William Hague has said
  • Reports that Muammar Gaddafi ordered fighter jets to attack parts of the capital, Tripoli.
  • Military ships shelling an area in Tripoli
  • Libyan diplomats voting with their feet with ambassadors resigning their positions in China, India, Indonesia, Poland as well as from the Arab League in Cairo.
Hard to know what to make of it all even if only half is true!
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Old 21.02.2011, 20:31
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Who's betting on Kaddafi going down?

Btw, did you see the protests in Morocco?? 5 dead already...
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Old 21.02.2011, 20:46
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Gaddafi is over, i can't imagine the population accepting anymore such a murder family in the power.
Some army pilots refused to bomb their own population and fled to Malta with 2 fighter jets.
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Old 21.02.2011, 21:35
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

I should be studying but I've found myself constantly following the events on the BBC ticker and on Al Jazeera. I'm in awe of the bravery the citizens of North Africa and in particular Bahrain and Libya have shown. I've found myself wondering what would I don and while I hope I would continue protesting even when the government is slaughtering it's own citizens with aircrafts I can't say I'm sure I would.

I've been pleased by the language used of foreign leaders and I hope this will be backed with actions. It's time that the western countries put back their own interests and greed and defend the normal citizens who are only asking for basic human rights.
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Old 21.02.2011, 21:39
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Seems to be a very confused situation, from the Guardian;
  • Two Libyan fighter jets and two civilian helicopters have landed in Malta. (there is a photo in the Telegraph of one of the Libyan fighter jets in Malta!)
  • Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, "may have gone to Venezuela", British foreign secretary William Hague has said
  • Reports that Muammar Gaddafi ordered fighter jets to attack parts of the capital, Tripoli.
  • Military ships shelling an area in Tripoli
  • Libyan diplomats voting with their feet with ambassadors resigning their positions in China, India, Indonesia, Poland as well as from the Arab League in Cairo.
Hard to know what to make of it all even if only half is true!
Just to add. The delegation to the UN have also quit and have called for international action against Gadaffi and apparently some staff of the embassy in London have joined the protests outside.

Whats very impressive is that these former ambassadors are accusing him of genecide and crimes against humanity
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I've been pleased by the language used of foreign leaders and I hope this will be backed with actions. It's time that the western countries put back their own interests and greed and defend the normal citizens who are only asking for basic human rights.
Even the United Nations cannot defend citizens against their own government. The UN might invade, but this needs approval all round.

Can you please avoid hinting that western countries have "interests" in foreign countries. Colonising countries has been out of fashion for over 50 years.

However western companies have interests in foreign countries. They sign contracts with foreign dictators, and pay them with kick backs which often end up in Swiss Banks. It is known as foreign business.
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Even the United Nations cannot defend citizens against their own government. The UN might invade, but this needs approval all round.

Can you please avoid hinting that western countries have "interests" in foreign countries. Colonising countries has been out of fashion for over 50 years.

However western companies have interests in foreign countries. They sign contracts with foreign dictators, and pay them with kick backs which often end up in Swiss Banks. It is known as foreign business.
So they don't have interests in their oil various business deals such as weapons and preventing illegal immigrants from entering Europe?
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Old 21.02.2011, 22:22
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Libyan army massacring demonstrators, Iran ditto - good to know the U.N has reacted and help is on the way.

Oh, hang on - it didn't.

Interesting to read Human Rights Watch report from 2009 about the "Tripoli Spring" - and their positive view of Saif al-Islam. Apperantly he was "outspoken on the need to improve the country's human rights record".
Yae Yae Pashosh you have your Zionist ,sorry I mean cynical moment , How about wishing the people of Libya all the best for there fight for FREEDOM

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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

From our sister site in Sweden:

http://www.thelocal.se/32178/20110221/

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In an open letter sent to media outlets on Monday, the embassy staff said that they gave their notice and urged others to follow suit, directly criticising the regime of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi.


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Old 21.02.2011, 22:56
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

British government advising their citizens to try and leave the country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12523007

"More broadly, Libya is amongst the most repressive countries in the region.
Freedom House, a US-based democracy monitoring group, rates its political and
civil liberties at the worst possible score, and freedoms of expression,
assembly and belief are given short shrift."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12520586

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Gaddafi might have already left the country

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...et-alight.html

If so, that calls for some celebration.
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