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Old 21.03.2011, 10:00
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- ignore arab league & continue bombing and get rid of Kadhaffi definitely
- install insurgents as new regime, support it with a UN-backed multi-national force (like KFOR in Kosovo) to avoid civil war & al-qaeda proliferation in the south.
Why will this war succeed where Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon (1982) failed ?
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So far what I have seen on different arab media is a massive critic of arab regimes by their own population. So far I haven't seen people blaming US or Israel. Of course if you take as reference the governments, they try to shift the responsibility on external reasons. I think it's time that some people in this thread stop considering the revolutions taking place in arab countries as an anti-US and anti-israeli tsunami. It is not.
I am also convinced that some people try to propagate fetid ideas through a seeming "critic" of arab regimes. We all know these regimes are not legit.
Because they are installed by US and Allies with the help of UN acceptance? Hence any criticism of them is actually criticising US and Allies?
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

How come Saudi forces were allowed to enter Bahrain to crush the peaceful democracy protests? When will US bomb Bahrain and Saudi royalty? Never? I thought so. Aren't Saudis the biggest exporters of actual extremism? I have had it with US govt and their poodles in British govt. Could someone remind the British govt. that they are morally and financially broke!



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This time it was no longer Sir Bush Senior or Baby-Bush, it was Nicolas Sarkopoleony who was in charge The dynamic Habsburger, at times in charge in France, is not doing things at a leisurely pace
He is half Hungarian, from what I've heard? France is in desperate situation, it cannot afford things at leisurley pace.

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Right you are !At some discussions I had I said it will be France which jumps on Libya first.Remember Chad a few years back
France had to be the first, as per the distribution agreement, North Africa and Central Africa is for France to exploit, whereas Middle East and South East Asia is US and UK domain.

So France helped and supported the Allies in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the US and UK must return the favour in Libya, I mean why spoil dinner when you are sharing the same table!

All the monies printed as part of quantitative easing will need a collateral, unless you want hyper inflation and devaluation of currencies, which would severely piss off your creditors. China and Russia abstained from the vote, I remember?
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China and Russia abstained from the vote, I remember?
China, Russia, India and Germany did not want to be US poodles. They represents more than 2 billion people but the US media makes out as if the whole world is behind these bombings.
France is just the front. US is the muscle and calls all the shots.
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China, Russia, India and Germany did not want to be US poodles. They represents more than 2 billion people but the US media makes out as if the whole world is behind these bombings.
France is just the front. US is the muscle and calls all the shots.
Easy in aggro, day of rage is past

No one wants to be a poodle, even a dog wants to feel like a lion, but its just economic interests and dependencies which forms "allies." Why get involved when you can let the beast wear itself out and then you can come in for the easy pickings.

None of those countries actually vetoed the resolution, which they could have.
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No one wants to be a poodle, even a dog wants to feel like a lion, but its just economic interests and dependencies which forms "allies." Why get involved when you can let the beast wear itself out and then you can come in for the easy pickings.

None of those countries actually vetoed the resolution, which they could have.
Yes China and Russia have veto powers but who knows what kind of back room deals they made with USA. It's a bad and mad world out there.

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Old 21.03.2011, 10:43
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Why will this war succeed where Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon (1982) failed ?
The big difference? It's called the "arab spring" by some media. It's a massive change requested voiced by millions of people for their freedom and not against their will like in your examples. It's a change initiated internally and not externally like in your examples.

You can compare it to the failure of 1968 Prague and the success of the 1989 collapse of Berlin wall.
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think it's time that some people in this thread stop considering the revolutions taking place in arab countries as an anti-US and anti-israeli tsunami.
If it were not for this intervention, Gadaffi would have successfully crushed the uprising, and would have signaled an end to the so called "Arab Spring".
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The big difference? It's called the "arab spring" by some media.
Yeah media After spring comes scorching heat of summer.

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You sure about that? I don't believe the hype and am undecided on what actually caused all this. There are greater forces at play than what a genuine protestor on the street might understand.
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You sure about that? I don't believe the hype and am undecided on what actually caused all this. There are greater forces at play than what a genuine protestor on the street might understand.
Yes, I am sure you have a conspiracy theory to air out. afterall, it is the Internet.
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Yes, I am sure you have a conspiracy theory to air out. afterall, it is the Internet.
No conspiracy theory as unlike you I don't have the full behind the scene picture of who is funding who
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If it were not for this intervention,
How come the intervention stopped at Saudi and Bahrain border? Arab spring not recommended for those people by the great Shatan USA?
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How come the intervention stopped at Saudi and Bahrain border? Arab spring not recommended for those people by the great Shatan USA?
SA will happen in due time, in their own way. it will likely be led by a member of the royal family.
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:50
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Seems that Amr Moussa had his hand slapped & is back on message, quote today;
"Amr Moussa said on Monday that he respected a UN resolution that authorised military action on Libya, after earlier comments suggested he was concerned by actions taken by western powers.
"The Arab League position on Libya was decisive and from first moment we froze membership of Libya ... Then we asked the United Nations to implement a no-fly zone and we respect the UN resolution and there is no conflict with it," he said.
"It is for protecting civilians and that is what we care about," he told a joint news conference with Ban Ki-moon. "We will continue to work on the protection of civilians. We urge everybody to take this into consideration in any military action."

BTW, not stricly on topic but it is reported a senior Yemen general has joined the Yemen opposition complete with his armoured division!!
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Because we ( the western countries with huge interests in Libya) want the oil from that country. It's that simple.

INteresting, that a few days ago, those countries were all a bit reluctant to acively get involved have now apparently changed thair minds - was it that, earlier on it was hoped that Gaddaffi would get killed by other Libyans, so the western countries would not be held responsible but once it looked as if Gaddaffi was getting the control back afterall, well.... oops, ... looks like we gotta do something here after all folks.

This afternoon, in England, I heard a short interview with an ex UK ambassador, reagarding the Libyan situation. I would be more curious to hear from the current ( until the recent exodus) one. I am also wondering why there do not seem to be any interviews with any of the expats who were living there till these last couple of weeks.
About "interviews with any of the expats who were living there till these last couple of weeks"

According to your previous posts these would be the people partying on the beach while many of the people in the country lived such desperate lives that they are happy to die for the opportunity of democracy?
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

I really don't understand the fixation with the the "oil" question. We were getting it from Libya anyway, we will continue to do so after the regime change.
It's an oft-cited yet weak argument.
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I really don't understand the fixation with the the "oil" question. We were getting it from Libya anyway, we will continue to do so after the regime change.
It's an oft-cited yet weak argument.
EXACTLY, why steal when you can work hard and earn an honest living? Also, similarly, blaming Tesco's and other multi nationals for exploiting their suppliers, I mean they would be buying from those suppliers anyway. Very weak argument.
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The big difference? It's called the "arab spring" by some media. It's a massive change requested voiced by millions of people for their freedom and not against their will like in your examples. It's a change initiated internally and not externally like in your examples.

You can compare it to the failure of 1968 Prague and the success of the 1989 collapse of Berlin wall.
Libya 2011 is like Prague 1968 or like Berlin 1989 ?

Saudi civil war 1920 more like.
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Is it true that the Tamoil company is owned or part owend by the Gadaffi family? Have the Swiss authorities called for a boycott on it trading ?
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