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Old 20.04.2011, 22:16
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

The UK is sending "advisors" to help the rebels.

I don't see the need.

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Old 20.04.2011, 22:57
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

I am devastated, in shock, can't even bring myself to read past the first few lines of this report.
Tim Hetherington dead.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5844280.story
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Old 20.04.2011, 23:01
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British American journo Tim Hetherington is killed.

More

http://www.timhetherington.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hetherington
Shows how stuck in my books I've been. my laptop got wiped out too.

The world just lost one of its best reporters ever.
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Old 21.04.2011, 00:49
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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The UK is sending "advisors" to help the rebels.

I don't see the need.

The photo shows that your remark was meant in an ironic way. Yes, I think that these advisors are urgently needed.
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Old 21.04.2011, 04:10
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Hertherington's last tweet was:

“In besieged Libyan city of Misrata. indiscriminate shelling by Qaddafi forces. No sign of NATO.”

I know that it is wrong to seek vengeance but go ahead NATO. I think NATO is about to bomb the out of any Libyan bases
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Old 21.04.2011, 09:50
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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Hertherington's last tweet was:

“In besieged Libyan city of Misrata. indiscriminate shelling by Qaddafi forces. No sign of NATO.”

I know that it is wrong to seek vengeance but go ahead NATO. I think NATO is about to bomb the out of any Libyan bases
Problem is they are fighting at close quarters in Misrata where airplanes are not at their best.
One American general colourfully said; it is like trying to interfere in a knife fight in a telephone kiosk.
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Old 21.04.2011, 13:51
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Problem is they are fighting at close quarters in Misrata where airplanes are not at their best.
One American general colourfully said; it is like trying to interfere in a knife fight in a telephone kiosk.
I wondered why they weren't uing the drones- apparently they are in short suplply ( see Economist article below). However this makes me wonder- don't other countries have drones or do they just rely on the US? How does the Nato funding work out? Do they addd up teh cost and split it equally among the different countries, or is there a NATO fund?

Oh well looks like I can't cut and past anymore-my laptop is wrecked- a virus (Russian I think) got through all my Norton and antivirus software, but it's in the paragraph below the map when you hit on the Economist link

http://www.economist.com/node/185869...src=rsshttp://
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Old 21.04.2011, 15:14
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I am devastated, in shock, can't even bring myself to read past the first few lines of this report.
Tim Hetherington dead.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5844280.story
So am I. It's knocked me for six.
As a photographer as well, I've had such massive respect for Hetherington's work. Restrepo was an extraordinary piece of film making.
The world has lost a very important talent.

Also Chris Hondros was also killed with him, a brilliant photojournalist as well.

What a truly tragic waste of remarkable lives - RIP, gentlemen.
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Old 24.04.2011, 23:46
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

The rebels seems to be doing a very competent job of defending Misurata although at a terrible cost of loss of life & injuries; if one can believe the newspaper reports.
Anybody have a theory why; it needs strategy, discipline & decent weapons which seem to be lacking in other parts of rebel held Libya; again only if one can believe the newspaper reports.
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Old 27.04.2011, 21:00
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

From today's newspaper
"Libya: tribal chiefs call on Col Gaddafi to go. Chiefs or representatives of 61 Libyan tribes from across the country called for an end to Col Muammar Gaddafi's rule, in a joint statement released by French writer Bernard-Henri Levy. "

Anybody know how many tribes in Libya?
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Old 27.04.2011, 21:47
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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Anybody know how many tribes in Libya?
Not as many as there were 6 months ago.
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Old 01.05.2011, 11:04
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Nato have killed Gadaffi's son and grandchildren.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_libya

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Old 01.05.2011, 14:17
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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Nato have killed Gadafi's son and grandchildren.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_libya
better luck next time
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Old 01.05.2011, 15:26
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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Nato have killed Gadafi's son and grandchildren.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_libya
This is very likely to backfire on NATO. I'm all for the removal of Gadaffi, but it has to come from within (just like in Tunisia and Egypt) without outside meddling.
Anyway what a difference a few months make .... Libyans should be very wary.









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Old 01.05.2011, 18:56
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

I feel sad for any loss of innocent life- but Ghaddafi killed Tim Hetherington so I tend to agree with Marton. Get rid of him before he kills anymore Tim Hetheringtons. To me the resemblance between the photos of Ghaddafi that Castro posted and the photo that Pashosh posted are becoming more and more similar.
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Old 01.05.2011, 22:09
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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This is very likely to backfire on NATO. I'm all for the removal of Gadaffi, but it has to come from within (just like in Tunisia and Egypt) without outside meddling.
Anyway what a difference a few months make .... Libyans should be very wary.
About "This is very likely to backfire on NATO"
Why??
The Gadaffis have killed thousands of civilians & badly injured many more.
Nato have killed, maybe - not confirmed, less than 1% of the Gadaffi total & Nato has already saved many times more than the number of civilians murdered by the Gadaffi family.
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Old 01.05.2011, 22:20
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Unfortunately NATO has to keep to the rules and only bomb military targets.
"It is in line with UN resolution 1973, and it is about preventing a loss of
civilian life by targeting Gaddafi's war-making machine."

However if the Gadaffi family choose to spend Saturday in a military command bunker,
which was bombed, then that would be unfortunate.

The TV reports show lots of heavily damaged re-inforced concrete with a bunker 2 floors
below ground. It was military and civil quarters. Gadaffis 3rd son went on TV to say NATO
was acting illegally.... and the nation's leader was unhurt.

The Embassies of Italy, France, USA, UN and Britain have been attacked, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13253371

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ . . . . http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12831594

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Old 01.05.2011, 23:08
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

So now Ghadaffi has six sons and not seven?

I wonder if the grandchildren were his before or after the bombing?

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He is also said to have adopted two children, Hanna and Milad.[198][199] Hanna was apparently killed in 1986 at the age of four, during retaliatory US bombing raids; the facts are disputed however,[200] and this adoption may have been posthumous.
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Old 03.05.2011, 21:39
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

About "The Swiss government says it has identified potential assets to be frozen worth 830m Swiss francs (nearly $1bn or £600m) belonging to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and the ousted presidents of Egypt and Tunisia."

Must be tough when you have to start worrying about "where are your last few billion....."
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Old 10.05.2011, 21:47
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

The British position is shifting faster than stolen goods:
First they sent Diplomats with fake passports to the rebels, then adviser and now this - trying to broker "peace" with Gaddafi (while still bombing him - not that it seems to make that much difference).

It's like a Gilbert & Sullivan opera (with plenty of bodies).
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