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Old 04.07.2011, 11:45
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Why pay any attention to weirdos like globalresearch.ca or people who quote them ?

btw - Sudan denies invading Libya
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Old 04.07.2011, 21:09
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wonder if the Egyptians will react? & how?
The Sudanese seem to be running up the Egyptian border on the Libyan side.
Is that, if true, a problem for Egypt ?


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Or maybe he needed to get the "yes" from the Chinese first?
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Look at the map, the Sudanese are in Al Kufrah (so far as I understand the newspapers)
NOT a problem for Egypt, but a severe one for Khaddafi, who is allied with forces in Northern Chad.

The idea to see Sudan taking over south-eastern Libya is indeed intriguing


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Israel should be happy that Arab fraternity is strong.
I wish I had read this earlier, but then what difference would it have made if I did? Chossudovsky is a bit wacky and has been criticized by Israelis e.g.his theory about HARP. All the same he is probably right, why wouldn't the East and West fight to carved up Africa? Anyway would we really prefer for it to be colonized by China?

What is the purpose of America's military roadmap?




"Operation Libya" and the Battle for Oil: Redrawing the Map of Africa


by Prof Michel Chossudovsky

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=23605

Let's be clear, the independence of South Sudan changed realities in the region. South Sudan will, earlier or later, turn its attention to Uganda, Kenya and Ethiopia. Northern Sudan will turn its emphasis more towards the North which may mean taking over a chunk of Libya and then get good terms for a merger with Egypt. Chad may likely break up with its South turning towards Africa and its North towards the Arab World.


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Old 04.07.2011, 22:30
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Is that, if true, a problem for Egypt ?


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rather a go-ahead from Cairo


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NOT a problem for Egypt, but a severe one for Khaddafi, who is allied with forces in Northern Chad.

The idea to see Sudan taking over south-eastern Libya is indeed intriguing


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Let's be clear, the independence of South Sudan changed realities in the region. South Sudan will, earlier or later, turn its attention to Uganda, Kenya and Ethiopia. Northern Sudan will turn its emphasis more towards the North which may mean taking over a chunk of Libya and then get good terms for a merger with Egypt. Chad may likely break up with its South turning towards Africa and its North towards the Arab World.


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Actually I mis-typed I meant that Israel should be happy that Arab fraternity isn't strongly united. The British always used the tactic of divide and conquer, so they set the Arabs against each other, preying on tribal differences. Like I have said before, suppose the Arabs were united- what would become of Israel?
Whether the Sudanese are a threat to Egypt depends on the backing that they get from more powerful nations. Saddam Hussein took advantage of the Iranian revolution to invade Iran. Then despite all the problems that Iraq had had with the West before, they got the approval of the UN and military backing from the US. It remains to be seen- will some powerful nation like China supply the North Sudanese with arms? They can always turn south later to Arabacise the Nubians.
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Old 04.07.2011, 22:47
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Actually I mis-typed I meant that Israel should be happy that Arab fraternity isn't strongly united. The British always used the tactic of divide and conquer, so they set the Arabs against each other, preying on tribal differences. Like I have said before, suppose the Arabs were united- what would become of Israel?
Whether the Sudanese are a threat to Egypt depends on the backing that they get from more powerful nations. Saddam Hussein took advantage of the Iranian revolution to invade Iran. Then despite all the problems that Iraq had had with the West before, they got the approval of the UN and military backing from the US. It remains to be seen- will some powerful nation like China supply the North Sudanese with arms? They can always turn south later to Arabacise the Nubians.
About " will some powerful nation like China supply the North Sudanese with arms"

China has been supplying North Sudan with arms for almost 10 years.
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Old 05.07.2011, 07:13
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About " will some powerful nation like China supply the North Sudanese with arms"

China has been supplying North Sudan with arms for almost 10 years.
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The essay said Sudan presents an opportunity for China to set a defining precedent.
The essay also reasoned that "continued violence in the African country puts at risk both China's sizable investment in the country and its domestic energy security. Listening and responding to these concerns is the sensible choice for the Sudanese government".
Chinese analysts also said that how China engages with both sides in Sudan could become a model applicable to other conflict zones, such as Libya.
http://english.cntv.cn/20110630/103957.shtml

Not really difficult for me to put two and two together here, but then my way of looking at things is very idiosyncratic. Al-Bashir if he wants the support of China must be prepared to protect Chinese investment especially where energy is concerned and apply that 'nation building' model to Libya, with (as Bashir is quoted as saying earlier in the article) China as that model partner.
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Old 06.07.2011, 00:27
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Actually I mis-typed I meant that Israel should be happy that Arab fraternity isn't strongly united. The British always used the tactic of divide and conquer, so they set the Arabs against each other, preying on tribal differences. Like I have said before, suppose the Arabs were united- what would become of Israel?
Whether the Sudanese are a threat to Egypt depends on the backing that they get from more powerful nations. Saddam Hussein took advantage of the Iranian revolution to invade Iran. Then despite all the problems that Iraq had had with the West before, they got the approval of the UN and military backing from the US. It remains to be seen- will some powerful nation like China supply the North Sudanese with arms? They can always turn south later to Arabacise the Nubians.
- the Arab World is a community of nations spread over a vast area, and not having the technological or military might of Israel
- Sudan is NOT a threat to Egypt, not even if they conquered the whole of the Fezzan
- President al-Taqriti NEVER got the approval and the definite DISapproval of the Arab League for this invasion of Kuwait. He never got an approval of the UN for his attack against Iran (yes, one from the USA).
- the Nubians are not south of Sudan but in Egypt, NORTH of Sudan
- Sudan now clearly is THE ally of Egypt and will at one stage or the other merge with (into) Egypt
- General Bashir possibly looks forward to become a democratically elected president of an enlarged Egypt


PS: Egypt produces Chinese military planes under licence
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Old 06.07.2011, 02:23
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Egypt to fall into the hands of the Chinese with Bashir, a leader guilty of crimes against humanity? Please say it isn't so!
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Egypt to fall into the hands of the Chinese with Bashir, a leader guilty of crimes against humanity? Please say it isn't so!
Egypt already in the Mubarak years established close co-operation ventures with both China and Russia. Neither Sudan nor Egypt are to fall "into the hands of the Chinese" but just like Europe they co-operate with China . True, the methods of General Bashir are not exactly "humanitarian"
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Old 12.07.2011, 13:07
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Looks like Libya's probelms are over

Switzerland said today it is dispatching a diplomat to the rebel-held Libyan city of Benghazi to open an office aimed at strengthening its ties with the Libyan National Transitional Council.
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Old 19.08.2011, 23:44
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

CNN reporting that Ghaddafi may be making preparations for his last stand.
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Old 20.08.2011, 09:27
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CNN reporting that Ghaddafi may be making preparations for his last stand.
I thought he had been making his last stand for a month or more
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I thought he had been making his last stand for a month or more
Perhaps CNN were short on news and needed another Breaking News headline. It sounds like they think the end is imminent for Ghaddafi though.

His family have left but Ghaddafi himself has vowed to go down fighting. The rebels are 140 miles west of Tripoli so I'm guessing that it is a matter of days or weeks , but not months,

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Rebels claim they have captured the strategic oil hub of Brega in eastern Libya, a day after saying they seized two other key towns in their push to close in on Tripoli.
Libyan rebel fighters burn a Gaddafi government flag in the main square after seizing control of the center of the strategic coastal city of Zawiyah Photo:
In another blow to Muammar Gaddafi, the rebels also said that former prime minister Abdessalam Jalloud, who fell out of favour with the Libyan strongman in the mid-1990s but remains a highly popular figure, had defected and joined their ranks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hub-Brega.html

This report says they re 50 miles west, have taked strategic posts to the south and expect to be done before the end of August. So 10 days?!

http://www.smh.com.au/world/gaddafi-...820-1j3pv.html

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Is this it?

Obama is being kept informed throughout the night.

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Libyan rebels said they launched their first attack on Tripoli in coordination with NATO late Saturday, and Associated Press reporters heard unusually heavy gunfire and explosions in the capital. The fighting erupted just hours after opposition fighters captured the key city of Zawiya nearby.

Gunbattles and mortar rounds were heard clearly at the hotel where foreign correspondents stay in Tripoli. NATO aircraft made heavy bombing runs after nightfall, with loud explosions booming across the city.

“We planned this operation with NATO, our Arab associates and our rebel fighters in Tripoli with commanders in Benghazi,” Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, the head of the rebel leadership council, told the Arab satellite channel Al-Jazeera. Benghazi, hundreds of miles east of Tripoli, is the rebels’ de facto capital.

Mr. Abdel-Jalil said they chose to start the attack on Tripoli on the 20th day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which fell on Saturday. The date marks the ancient Islamic Battle of Badr, when Muslims first fought for the holy city of Mecca in A.D. 624.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...cle2378861.ece
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"The time is now to fight for your politics, your oil, your land," he said. "I am with you in Tripoli – together until the ends of the earth," Gadhafi shouted. He sounded like he was speaking on a phone line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1313933483

Yep, phone line from Tunisia I bet.
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Old 21.08.2011, 21:15
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"The time is now to fight for your politics, your oil, your land," he said. "I am with you in Tripoli – together until the ends of the earth," Gadhafi shouted. He sounded like he was speaking on a phone line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?1313933483

Yep, phone line from Tunisia I bet.
Tunisia have recognised the rebel govt. so he is probably further away
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

There are negociations going on in Djerba (Tunisia) between the rebels and Gaddafi representatives. Apparently safe exit for whole Gaddafi family is the main point. Witnesses in Djerba mentioned jets from Venezuela and South-Africa are there to take them. Same witnesses mentioned also several Qatar jets landing in Djerba bringing weapons for the rebels.
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That's what I just read- lot of reports. I wonder how true they are?

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articipants in broader negotiations at Djerba reportedly included two Gaddafi emissaries and an envoy of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who has denounced the West's "imperialist aggression" against Libya.

If Gaddafi decided to stay and fight, he would face death. "If he stays, he must be judged for crimes against humanity by a Libyan court. The sentence for that is death by hanging," Mr Nasr said.

Asked what he expected the Libyan leader to do, Mr Nasr said: "I think he will leave Libya with his family. He knows he committed crimes and he won't want to face justice or the revolutionaries or the people of Tripoli."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226119232205

I just wish that Tim Hetherington could be there reporting on it.
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Tunisia have recognised the rebel govt. so he is probably further away
Tunisian economy in the south is very dependent from Libya. There are more than 90'000 libyans who fled to Tunisia since February and great support was given to the rebels from Tunisia. Stability in Libya will mean a lot of economical & political stability in Tunisia as well (a country also in transition after it started the arab revolution in January 2011).
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Tunisian economy in the south is very dependent from Libya. There are more than 90'000 libyans who fled to Tunisia since February and great support was given to the rebels from Tunisia. Stability in Libya will mean a lot of economical & political stability in Tunisia as well (a country also in transition after it started the arab revolution in January 2011).
I hope there will be Stability in Libya.
The head of the rebel council in Bengahzi dissolved his cabinet 2 weeks ago & has so far failed to announce a replacement.
Also people in Misrata are claiming they will not follow instructions from Bengahzi.

Personally I am happy if Gadaffi goes but it is not so clear what will replace him in Govt.
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I hope there will be Stability in Libya.
The head of the rebel council in Bengahzi dissolved his cabinet 2 weeks ago & has so far failed to announce a replacement.
Also people in Misrata are claiming they will not follow instructions from Bengahzi.

Personally I am happy if Gadaffi goes but it is not so clear what will replace him in Govt.
July 28 General Abdulfatah Yunus military commander of rebels was killed. He is member of the very influential Obeidi tribe. The story that is circulating now is that he was actually providing Gaddafi troops with information. When it was discovered the rebels took revenge....but in order to avoid a bloodshed among the rebels they decided to dissolve the cabinet and keep silence on the treason.
Actually since he was killed, the rebels progressed much faster towards Tripoli.
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