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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Refer you to the Nostradamus thread ......
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Old 23.02.2011, 13:54
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A joint military action for the purpose of humanitarian action ought to be seriously considered if the massacre persists.
I got Rambo on speed dial.
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

This sums it up so far:
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A joint military action for the purpose of humanitarian action ought to be seriously considered if the massacre persists.
How about the Arab league doing something for a change?

Those wikileaks cables of Saudi Arabia asking the US to bomb Iran were pretty revealing. They're happy for someone else to do it and get the blame but don't want to dirty their own hands.
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

short update for Americans..

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...rth-in-tripoli
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

and the English..

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...cism-in-the-uk
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

Maybe it's just me, but this is a bit rich coming from Ahmadinejad:

"How can a leader subject his own people to a shower of machine-guns, tanks and bombs? How can a leader bomb his own people, and afterwards say 'I will kill anyone who says anything?
"I seriously want - from all heads of states - to pay attention to their people and cooperate, to sit down and talk, and listen to their words. Why do they act so badly that their people need to apply pressure for reforms?"


Pot, kettle, black much?
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Maybe it's just me, but this is a bit rich coming from Ahmadinejad:

"How can a leader subject his own people to a shower of machine-guns, tanks and bombs? How can a leader bomb his own people, and afterwards say 'I will kill anyone who says anything?
"I seriously want - from all heads of states - to pay attention to their people and cooperate, to sit down and talk, and listen to their words. Why do they act so badly that their people need to apply pressure for reforms?"


Pot, kettle, black much?
Its because he doesnt want the same thing to happen to him .
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Maybe it's just me, but this is a bit rich coming from Ahmadinejad:

"How can a leader subject his own people to a shower of machine-guns, tanks and bombs? How can a leader bomb his own people, and afterwards say 'I will kill anyone who says anything?
"I seriously want - from all heads of states - to pay attention to their people and cooperate, to sit down and talk, and listen to their words. Why do they act so badly that their people need to apply pressure for reforms?"


Pot, kettle, black much?
That's incredible.
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Who's betting on Kaddafi going down?

Btw, did you see the protests in Morocco?? 5 dead already...
I am ,and hope so to$ 5.- Can or US
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He can`t be that much of a lunatic, if he has managed to remain in power for so many decades.
I think you MISunderstand the person. He sure IS a lunatic, but he at the same time is highly intelligent. And he generally hired good people for the government jobs.

Add to all this the income from the oil and the small population of this country, and then you have it.
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How about the Arab league doing something for a change?

Those wikileaks cables of Saudi Arabia asking the US to bomb Iran were pretty revealing. They're happy for someone else to do it and get the blame but don't want to dirty their own hands.

First of all, you should not make a melange of topics. You first mention the Arab League and then mention Saudi Arabia which is just one of the members.

The Arab League members according to the Charter of the League are NOT allowed to intervene into internal affairs of other Arab countries. In 1990/91, Egypt and Syria sent troops to help with the liberation of Kuwait as Iraq had violated exactly this.
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At this point, I have become VERY, VERY pissed off. I saw some footage of the carnage. That motherfuka is slaughtering his own people.

I really, really wish the US marines would just quickly swoop in, snuff him out, then get the hell out. I hear I a lot of Algerians in interviews even asking for US intervention. Though it is thoroughly politically impractical, I would not mind if the US did for moral reasons. But then, they would get blamed for everything.

The opposition needs military support. This may not be a bad time for the Egyptian army to step in and come to the aid of their neighbors. It may be a good investment for the future peace of the region.

Even mercenaries or commandos would help, because without a strong military deterrent, the lunatic does not seem to have any qualms about slaughtering the Algerians like sheep.
What have the Algerians to do with Tripoli ???

And US forces to act again ? With results like
last time they tried it in Tripoli ? Or like their
"Success" when trying to end the hostage
taking of Tehran 32 years ago ? Or there
"success" in the pacification of Lebanon ?
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Alright, fine.



Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt may just become one country soon anyway.
You ought to include Morocco and Northern Sudan into it ! and then you come close to the aspirations and dreams of the peoples.
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First of all, you should not make a melange of topics. You first mention the Arab League and then mention Saudi Arabia which is just one of the members.

The Arab League members according to the Charter of the League are NOT allowed to intervene into internal affairs of other Arab countries. In 1990/91, Egypt and Syria sent troops to help with the liberation of Kuwait as Iraq had violated exactly this.
Well, clearly Saudi is just one of the members, but that doesn't diminish my example at all. And regardless of the charter they've acted of sorts because they've suspended Libya from the league.
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What have the Algerians to do with Tripoli ???

And US forces to act again ? With results like
last time they tried it in Tripoli ? Or like their
"Success" when trying to end the hostage
taking of Tehran 32 years ago ? Or there
"success" in the pacification of Lebanon ?
Lots of Algerians in Libya - many who are illegal immigrants.....
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What have the Algerians to do with Tripoli ???

And US forces to act again ? With results like
last time they tried it in Tripoli ? Or like their
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You ought to include Morocco and Northern Sudan into it ! and then you come close to the aspirations and dreams of the peoples.

Alright, relax, I mixed them up. They should be one country anyway.

All I'm saying is someone needs to take him out, and the carnage needs to stop. The US is good with that, we just suck at arabic, that's all. Not that I want the US to get involved there, only that it would save a lot of lives. Of course, if the US did that, they may want some oil in return. But someone has to act, and nobody in the international community is accustomed to acting on difficult problems. They'll talk about it at the UN for about 6 months first.

I think Egypt should help the Libyan people. It may earn them some gratitude that might be beneficial in the future.
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Old 23.02.2011, 19:21
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You ought to include Morocco and Northern Sudan into it ! and then you come close to the aspirations and dreams of the peoples.
one country all of them? I don't think it's part of the dreams. A common trade and economical area la Europen Union: yes!
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I think you MISunderstand the person. He sure IS a lunatic, but he at the same time is highly intelligent. And he generally hired good people for the government jobs.

Add to all this the income from the oil and the small population of this country, and then you have it.
Have what? Seriously, when I was living there I saw a lot of very happy locals. Thinking back, I don`t recall ever being approached by beggars. Shops in Tripoli seemed well stocked and people were buying. Cruise ships were bringing in a good amount of money to small tour operators and their associated spinoffs. The one time I had to visit a hospital, I found a very clean, modern facility, with fast, appropriate treatment. The sea was clean, with plenty of fish, the climate such that outdoor living was comfortable and popular. As an Expat, I was probably given a greater level of tolerence than I get here ( including the time I unthinkingly bought an icecream and ate it in the street... then remembered it was Ramadan.) I met several expartwomen who had chosen to marry Libyans and had happily brought their families up in Tripoli over the past 20 - 30 years.

I am not that well travelled, but I was more aware of poverty in (some parts of) China, India and Ukraine , than I was in Libya. So, in the case of this particular country, I really do wonder at the reasons for staging an uprising that just happens to be at the same time as those in nearby countries.
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