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The US is busy and the UK is downsizing its armed forces, the Russians and Chinese are not keen to denounce, never mind fight a fellow tyrant. The Turks claimed that Muslims can not commit such atrocities - no need for armed intervention, then.
I don't know what the Turks claimed (never heard this claim actually), BUT

A) a Turkish military intervention would be the last thing needed
B) Turkey sent two ferry-boats to get Turks home from Tripoli, and had the two ferries accompanied by a frigate of the Turkish Navy
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Old 23.02.2011, 18:41
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Well, clearly Saudi is just one of the members, but that doesn't diminish my example at all. And regardless of the charter they've acted of sorts because they've suspended Libya from the league.
No, the League has NOT suspended Libya, but Khaddafi has suspended the membership fully on his own

No, your example was not about the League, but about one of the member countries

And it may be noted that "private" Saudi Arabians paid the weapons and services sent by Iran to Hamas, as Saudis are the backers of Hamas but due to a lack of a weapons industry could never deliver And do not forget that the KSA and the IRI some years ago signed a non-attack agreement (Pashkosh will describe this as a pact ) . Can you possibly quote the exact text of that "request" according to "Leaks" sent to the USA ?
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Old 23.02.2011, 18:51
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Alright, relax, I mixed them up. They should be one country anyway.

All I'm saying is someone needs to take him out, and the carnage needs to stop. The US is good with that, we just suck at arabic, that's all. Not that I want the US to get involved there, only that it would save a lot of lives. Of course, if the US did that, they may want some oil in return. But someone has to act, and nobody in the international community is accustomed to acting on difficult problems. They'll talk about it at the UN for about 6 months first.

I think Egypt should help the Libyan people. It may earn them some gratitude that might be beneficial in the future.
Egypt under the present internal circumstances is hardly in a position to intervene . Neither are Algeria and Tunisia And do not forget that Khaddafi put himself into the trouble-spot by giving long comments about Tunisia. So that Arab leaders may hesitate to move themselves into problems. Italy cannot due to its historic involvements and past misdeeds, neither can Turkey for very similar reasons. And France ? A good part of the French professional armed forces personnel are of Maghreb origin, and so, France is out as well.

There should be a U.N. force, made up preferably by Australian, Indian and Brazilian troops
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Old 23.02.2011, 18:54
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

More than 2000 killed, planes deliberately crashed.

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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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No, the League has NOT suspended Libya, but Khaddafi has suspended the membership fully on his own

No, your example was not about the League, but about one of the member countries

And it may be noted that "private" Saudi Arabians paid the weapons and services sent by Iran to Hamas, as Saudis are the backers of Hamas but due to a lack of a weapons industry could never deliver And do not forget that the KSA and the IRI some years ago signed a non-attack agreement (Pashkosh will describe this as a pact ) . Can you possibly quote the exact text of that "request" according to "Leaks" sent to the USA ?
Rubbish. Quote from the Arab League read out by Amr Moussa: -

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“condemns crimes against the current peaceful popular protests and demonstrations in several Libyan cities,” Secretary General Amr Moussa told reporters in Cairo today after the group met. He said the security forces’ use of live rounds, heavy weapons and foreign mercenaries is a “grave breach of human rights.”

The organization calls for “respecting Libyans’ right to freedom of protest and expression” as they demand democratic change, he said. Humanitarian aid must be allowed into the country, the Arab League leader said.

Libya will be barred from taking part in the Arab League’s meetings until leader Muammar Gaddafi responds to the organization’s demands, Moussa said.
You'll forgive me for not responding to your other stuff, but apart from correcting Phos that Libyans live in Libya you don't seem that credible.
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Old 23.02.2011, 19:07
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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The US is busy and the UK is downsizing its armed forces, the Russians and Chinese are not keen to denounce, never mind fight a fellow tyrant. The Turks claimed that Muslims can not commit such atrocities - no need for armed intervention, then.
The French and Germans are not busy
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Old 23.02.2011, 19:22
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Egypt under the present internal circumstances is hardly in a position to intervene . Neither are Algeria and Tunisia And do not forget that Khaddafi put himself into the trouble-spot by giving long comments about Tunisia. So that Arab leaders may hesitate to move themselves into problems. Italy cannot due to its historic involvements and past misdeeds, neither can Turkey for very similar reasons. And France ? A good part of the French professional armed forces personnel are of Maghreb origin, and so, France is out as well.

There should be a U.N. force, made up preferably by Australian, Indian and Brazilian troops
Can you include the Mexicans ,not the Mexican Military
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

I hope that son of a bitsch Kaddafi burns in hell
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Rubbish. Quote from the Arab League read out by Amr Moussa: -



You'll forgive me for not responding to your other stuff, but apart from correcting Phos that Libyans live in Libya you don't seem that credible.

I think Amr Moussa is a good man, but here he clearly is very late. Khaddafi has suspended the Libyan membership long ago. Amr Moussa is THE secretary-general of the League who shifted the emphasis from politics and rethorics to real co-ordination and integration. A good idea, but exactly this made Khaddafi who loved to use the League as a podium for his demagoguery extremely angry.

And I did NOT say that the Arab League supported Khaddafi, neither do the other members. The trouble simply what to do.
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Old 23.02.2011, 21:13
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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

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I think Amr Moussa is a good man, but here he clearly is very late. Khaddafi has suspended the Libyan membership long ago. Amr Moussa is THE secretary-general of the League who shifted the emphasis from politics and rethorics to real co-ordination and integration. A good idea, but exactly this made Khaddafi who loved to use the League as a podium for his demagoguery extremely angry.

And I did NOT say that the Arab League supported Khaddafi, neither do the other members. The trouble simply what to do.
About "Khaddafi has suspended the Libyan membership long ago"

Are you sure? I quote "
Libya currently holds the rotating presidency of the League of Arab States "

How does Libya manage to be the president with suspended membership?
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And now the truth comes out:

Gaddafi ordered Lockerbie bombing: Ex-minister

As if we couldn't figure it out before.
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And now the truth comes out:

Gaddafi ordered Lockerbie bombing: Ex-minister

As if we couldn't figure it out before.
No surprise but it would be good to see the "proof" mentioned.

I am worried that Gaddafi will survive because he has endless money to hire mercenaries to protect him in Tripoli. Once his position is secured in Tripoli he also has endless money to hire mercenaries to take back the cities that have seceded.

The same article you quote also says it is unlikely that the UN human rights council will make a strong statement against Gadaffi. Disgraceful.
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I am worried that Gaddafi will survive because he has endless money to hire mercenaries to protect him in Tripoli. Once his position is secured in Tripoli he also has endless money to hire mercenaries to take back the cities that have seceded.

The same article you quote also says it is unlikely that the UN human rights council will make a strong statement against Gadaffi. Disgraceful.

Me too. But I can't believe he can survive, only prolong the agony and kill even more people.

I am so, so disappointed with the empty words of international politicians. The US was talking about sanctions , I mean, WTF? What good would that do for the present situation. It all looks to me like the international politicians are still fence-sitting waiting to see which side comes up on top. I mean, get a backbone already!
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Me too. But I can't believe he can survive, only prolong the agony and kill even more people.

I am so, so disappointed with the empty words of international politicians. The US was talking about sanctions , I mean, WTF? What good would that do for the present situation. It all looks to me like the international politicians are still fence-sitting waiting to see which side comes up on top. I mean, get a backbone already!
Problem is, they're all tainted by the backlash from Iraq and Afghanistan. Who wants to be the next to be accused of poking their nose where it might not be welcome? Especially if there is oil involved, again.
Personally, I think we should send in the SAS to take the mad bastid out.
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Problem is, they're all tainted by the backlash from Iraq and Afghanistan. Who wants to be the next to be accused of poking their nose where it might not be welcome? Especially if there is oil involved, again.
Personally, I think we should send in the SAS to take the mad bastid out.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Do you realize this can be contracted out without a specific country taking responsibility? You just need lots of money, then hire a security firm. Afterall, he is hiring mercernaries from African countries to do the killings in LIBYA.
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During the Greek War of Independence, those citizens of comfortable foreign nations who believed in freedom actively volunteered their service and even their lives to the noble cause in which they fervently believed.

During the Spanish Civil War, another generation of foreigners did the same.

Now that the people of the Arab speaking world are clamouring for freedom, those who wish to support them are happy to type away at their desks and proclaim what should and shouldn't be done on their behalf.

How time changes, eh?

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Me too. But I can't believe he can survive, only prolong the agony and kill even more people.

I am so, so disappointed with the empty words of international politicians. The US was talking about sanctions , I mean, WTF? What good would that do for the present situation. It all looks to me like the international politicians are still fence-sitting waiting to see which side comes up on top. I mean, get a backbone already!
A well Known Diplomatic Proverb starts like this "It is not in our interest-----------.

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During the Greek War of Independence, those citizens of comfortable foreign nations who believed in freedom actively volunteered their service and even their lives to the noble cause in which they fervently believed.

During the Spanish Civil War, another generation of foreigners did the same.

Now that the people of the Arab speaking world are clamouring for freedom, those who wish to support them are happy to type away at their desks and proclaim what should and shouldn't be done on their behalf.

How time changes, eh?

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Re: Libya - 17 Feb "Day of wrath"

THE ROLE OF CIVIL SOCIETY IN THE DEMOCRATISATION OF GLOBAL GOVERNANCE INSTITUTIONS: From ‘Soft Power’ to Collective Decision-Making?

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Author is Dr. Saif Al-Islam Alqadhafi, the son of the butcher.
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