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Old 17.02.2011, 18:16
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This view, while both valid and popular conforms to your particular view/school of International Relations to which I do not subscribe. I do not believe in universal human rights, I do not believe in moral absolutes, I do not believe in the efficacy of the UN or international law. The UDHR is most useful to journalists so they know who are the goodies and who are the baddies.
I didn't see a statement of opinion in my post... (beyond the fact that it was hit and miss prior to the UDHR)
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I don't get why you have to be less curable/sicker/meaner if you're a pedophile than if you seriously harm a child in another way.
If "sex offender" means that and only that, then ok, why not. But is the legal definition of the word really only about such cases? I hope so, but I fear it isn't. I say that often, but definitions really matter. A lot.
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Old 17.02.2011, 18:23
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Nonsense. They've been defined in some form or another for millennia, and they keep changing. They're nothing but shared and accepted norms.
I'd call that the typical Bush administration view on the matter...
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Old 17.02.2011, 18:40
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I don't know how the laws are in UK when it comes to sentence someone and / or protect the population but in Canada it is pretty shitty.

Now I am not saying that I am rational on this exact topic since I have kids. But this is my opinion and I won't change it. My kids and all the other kids are higher priorities than an ex-sentenced paedo's rights of freedom.

A murder may be murder once. But a paedo will be a paedo all his life. And this is to the authorities to prove to US that it isn't true.

In Canada we see too often those guys who get back in society apparently being ''cured'' until they do it again. Yes too often... The justice system is crap on that matter.

As I said, I won't change my opinion on this too emotional topic.
Far more kids are killed every year in road accidents than are vicims of paedos.

Should we have a national register of people who were once caught speeding and neighbourhood lynch gangs to hunt them down?
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Old 17.02.2011, 18:40
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I'd call that the typical Bush administration view on the matter...


If you want to bring America into it, though, we defined and enshrined our idea of human rights in the bill of rights more than 200 years ago. And we've changed our views since then (ie women and black voting rights).

Societies change, and with those changes come changes to our views on right and wrong - and thus so-called intrinsic human rights. A hundred years from now people may consider all marketing of products such as cigarettes to be an affront to human rights...
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Re: UK sex offenders can now apply to be removed from the Register.

Consider one of the people who brought the case that was judged on in the supreme court: a boy who was convicted when he was aged 11. Not only do people's sexual interests and behaviour generally change between the age of 11 and 25, it also seems a bit unfair to prevent somebody who did a bad thing aged 11 to be unable to be rehabilitated ever. Sure, he did a bad thing, and he served his time for it. If (hypothetically) he never did a bad thing again for the rest of his life, is it really reasonable when he is 60 not to allow him to have his case even looked at?
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Old 17.02.2011, 18:50
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Nonsense. They've been defined in some form or another for millennia, and they keep changing. They're nothing but shared and accepted norms.
Bollocks. They defy contemporary assinine interpretation such as yours. They transcend popular morality and define us as a species. They have been challenged by losers and criticised by idiots. Yet they still stand. They defy criticism in their altruistic might stand alone in their absolute right. Morons defy at your peril.
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Old 17.02.2011, 18:55
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Nonsense. They've been defined in some form or another for millennia, and they keep changing. They're nothing but shared and accepted norms.
They were never defined for Millennia. Prove that ignorant claptrap or withdraw. 1948 buddy. A defining year.
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:08
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Morons defy at your peril.
I then, as a moron, defy. 1948 was an irrelevant year. Just because something is named and codified doesn't make it any more effectual or true. The world is just as harsh now as it was pre-1948.
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:10
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I didn't see a statement of opinion in my post... (beyond the fact that it was hit and miss prior to the UDHR)
You maintained that the Declaration on Human Rights is qualitatively different from a declaration on human rights. I presume due to the use of capital letters and overpaid bureaucrats.
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I then, as a moron, defy. 1948 was an irrelevant year. Just because something is named and codified doesn't make it any more effectual or true. The world is just as harsh now as it was pre-1948.
Human Rights were defined then. It was a defining year. The world wad much diffrenr before.
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:17
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Human Rights were defined then.
By a few guys in a room. Yeah.

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I think there should be a right to appeal being listed - what about that chap who was in a hostel for vulnerable people who was caught performing a sex act on his boke, of all things? A cleaner broke the rules by entering his room unannounced, caught him at it and got him listed on the sex offenders reigster. Can't say I'm into that sort of thing myself (I'd imagine it would be pretty hard to get the axle grease out of the sheets for a start), but how does that make someone a sex offender?
I am page 4 now of this thread and still hoping to find out what a "boke" is?

My best guess I could come up with was that it was a bike..... and then what was that guy doing to it? Colonel come back and help me out here!

I think it is an emotive topic and one that could be discussed on many pages in this thread but I think that both sides will continue to have their own beliefs.

I am of the opinion of longer sentences, but also the right to review. Which as people have said previously it is for review only not to be immediately taken off. I should think that most of those that go for review should and will be rejected - I would be dissapointed if that was not the case and it become far to easy to remove themselves from the register (an 11 year old boy at the time of his crime I would suggest has a strong case to put forward as someone that could of changed, although not necessarily the case). Anyway it is a strong subject and some will and some won't agree with this view. This I can live with as we will probably just go round in circles trying to convince each other to agree with our own view point as people feel so strongly about these things.

Fun trying though hey

But the reason I posted was to find out what a boke was and what that guy was doing to it!
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:25
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But the reason I posted was to find out what a boke was and what that guy was doing to it!
C'mon, you can't possibly expect to discuss such explicit adult topics as bokes on this forum? Why don't you go onto usenet and subscribe to erotic.deviant.boke ? What you learn may be deeply disconcering. You have been warned.
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:34
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Then let's make it less shitty! Let's not put rapists away for 5 years or less - let's aim for more like 25 years.

Which makes this thread probably incorrect for you to post on.
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2- disagreed, because those who votes for laws are people like you and me (yes, like me.... how shocking)

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Again, I really don't see this as different from any other serious crime. It's the same if someone killed the child's sibling, poured acid over them - anything. I don't get why you have to be less curable/sicker/meaner if you're a pedophile than if you seriously harm a child in another way.
If someone does that, he has probably a deep mental issue who should be treated / put away for a long time. And yes, those heavy criminal of such horrible crimes should get a much longer sentences.

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Far more kids are killed every year in road accidents than are vicims of paedos.

Should we have a national register of people who were once caught speeding and neighbourhood lynch gangs to hunt them down?
Ok you compared someone who ONCE was caught speeding with a psychiatric criminal...

I think discussion is useless.
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:37
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STOP THE PRESS! What an incredibly new thought - you not being rational. I see you in a totally different light now.
You know Treverus, I like you. I think you bring so much in here. But honestly if you have to be a jerk and insult me like this (I really tried to find it funny, failed) maybe you should put me back on your ignored list.

I never been disrespectful to you.
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:42
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Bollocks. They defy contemporary assinine interpretation such as yours. They transcend popular morality and define us as a species. They have been challenged by losers and criticised by idiots. Yet they still stand. They defy criticism in their altruistic might stand alone in their absolute right. Morons defy at your peril.
Didn't someone say something earlier about arguing on emotion rather than logic...?

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They were never defined for Millennia. Prove that ignorant claptrap or withdraw. 1948 buddy. A defining year.
I already did, actually, with the United States Bill of Rights from the late 1700s - things like the right to free speech, assembly, etc. However, the concept of human rights derives from the concept of natural rights, and views on the right to participate in government (i.e. article 21 of your "world-changing" document) were written about by Aristotle. Know him by chance? Greek guy? Kinda old?

But don't worry, despite article 26, I don't expect that you've had any classical education.

I'm all for extreme measures such as castration of repeat sex offenders. But I'm with Economisto on this one in that once you've served your sentence, the additional burden of living under the deliberately instigated hatred of your neighbors is unfair.
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Old 17.02.2011, 19:43
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Ok you compared someone who ONCE was caught speeding with a psychiatric criminal...

I think discussion is useless.
The sexual offenders register doesn't contain only dangerous criminals.

According to the wikipedia page linked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent...ender_Register

The register also has ...

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So just because somebody was under unproven suspicion at some point in their life (or is maybe just a boke) it should be okay for that person to live in fear of lynch mobs for the rest of their life?
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The sexual offenders register doesn't contain only dangerous criminals.

According to the wikipedia page linked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent...ender_Register

The register also has ...



So just because somebody was under unproven suspicion at some point in their life (or is maybe just a boke) it should be okay for that person to live in fear of lynch mobs for the rest of their life?
No of course not! I would never agreed on that. To put someone on that list, it should be made under strict rules and very specifics accusations and sentences. I don't believe that all offenders of sexual crimes should be put on this list, nor that those who are on it shouldn't have the right to ask for being off the list after they serve what they had to serve.

But I do believe that not all criminals are in their rights to liberty and freedom because it is the human right. No way! Some would never be able to act like human being for a start, some would never be rehabilitable and some will always be a danger for society. Those should be under supervision and strict rules when it comes to that list (to put or to take off their name from it).
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But don't worry, despite article 26, I don't expect that you've had any classical education.
Classical training ? Hypocrite, I am a Rhodes scholar and you are a recruitment agent. You know nothing about what you spout and have missed both the meaning and nuances of the act you attempt to speak about. Your points are moot, tired and stale. Expired irrelevant and erroneous. You dare to redefine the Human Rights act to support the twisted machinations of your own warped nimby popular views.

Go back and do your your homework. The finer scholars have rumbled your ignorant popularist views. Your irksome denialist views have no substance here.

It's a pity I don't know the Greek word for Nimby ignorant Twat, would I so, it would describe you to a T.
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