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They produce 24 million cubic meters of water per day. Why is it not viable?

In any of these cases, they need to jump back in and solve their problems. They don't have much of a choice about it.
The problem there is that (Quote) 80% of the water is used for industry.
Most of the sandpit countries drink the fossil water from the aquifiers, their economies are not only built on a finate source of oil but on a even finater (is that a word or what?) amount of non replenishable water.
When that goes then we will see a die-off as the population regulates its self to a sustainabel level.
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Just like Woody Harrelson (Charlie Frost) in 2012, remember "You heard it first from Wasted on EF"
Wahou, I thought that the last war on Earth had finished in 1945, and that from then on, there would be no more naughty war bad bad naughty again <-- sarcastic

If at least you want to be something "better" than Nostra-Wasted-damus, please tell us the number in seconds on that "countdown" of yours I would tolerate a margin of error of +/- 10 %.

And stay in Switzerland, it should remain a war-free country if war breaks out around. The reason is that if any leader attacks Switzerland, all the other leaders would attack him/her, because their private financial assets would be in danger of being seized by the naughty naughty invader of Switzerland <-- caricature, but not so wrong

[EDIT]Ouh, that made me laugh to write those non-sense. Life can be fun when you are delirious, I may envy Wasted. Or not.[/EDIT]

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Re: Countdown to WW3.

I just read all your points of view, but what everyone is missing is what is actually happening behind the scenes, here it is all:

It's of Israel, US & EU best interest to break apart large countries into smaller ones, in particular Egypt, due to it's strategical, geographical positions, natural resources and most important is being a major part of the Israeli promised land, which is what is happening now step by step.

The ideas of democracy and revolution were the way by injecting them in the societies to break the govts apart, Tunisia was just a bate as it's relatively small country ruled by a weak govt.

Now comes Egypt, MENA's hot shot and the main stabilizer of the region, some facts you might be interested to know is:

Israel have been buying lands all around the Nile sources and the dug several extensions / branches in several countries that could have been possibly used to build dams and have reserve of water, but no, that was not their plan, instead they suggested reducing Egypt's portion of water and then Israel is asking to have an extension from Egypt to Israel as they own lots of parts of the Nile Source, which Egypt of course refused at the time

Libya is another strategic point, not only for the petroleum reserve but more as it's Egypt's western borders which can be very strategic if US / EU got involved in military action against Libya and occupied this borders.

Sudan was another part of the game, breaking it into 2 countries, christian and muslims, being the south border of Egypt.

Egypt's army is considered to be on of the strongest in the region and in some branches it is even considered the strongest in the world, all this army was mainly based across Suez Canal, as the only critical borders are the ones with israel.

So now, back to the main idea, with all the above happening one after the other, now the army have to take care of the nation internally / govt and control the Eastern, Southern, Western and Northern borders at the same level, so instead of having 1 strong army against Israel, now there's quarter of it and the rest are protecting other fronts which have strong allies to Israel.

This is all a part of the Israeli promised land plan, steps are starting to be more straight forward and tough at the moment, guess the Israeli timeline is approaching, this is actually what i can call "WW3" and most probably the grand finale of the human race, the only problem is that everyone of sitting on their desks in what they assume is a safe developed country will watch it starting but won't even have time to make decisions before the whole planet is totally destructed (Remember how many nukes are owned by all sides involved and you'll understand this is enough not to only destruct the planet but rather turning planet earth into another sun)

I'm not being pessimistic, but this is how this whole current events are progressing and i'm not speaking of my desk in CH, i'm in the middle of the events in Egypt & Libya.......
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The problem there is that (Quote) 80% of the water is used for industry.
Most of the sandpit countries drink the fossil water from the aquifiers, their economies are not only built on a finate source of oil but on a even finater (is that a word or what?) amount of non replenishable water.
When that goes then we will see a die-off as the population regulates its self to a sustainabel level.
Naure red in tooth and claw.

Who's gonna break it to them, that nature requires them to die off? I doubt they'll accept that much. They can sustain, but it would take massive cooperation, at the level few people can imagine at the moment.

I think there is a chance the wave of social change can work towards that objective. I think most everyone agrees the status quo won't deliver these kinds of results.

Heck, James Cameron probably has a solution, but I doubt they would appreciate it.
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And stay in Switzerland, it should remain a war-free country if war breaks out around. The reason is that if any leader attacks Switzerland, all the other leaders would attack him/her, because their private financial assets would be in danger of being seized by the naughty naughty invader of Switzerland <-- caricature, but not so wrong
As Jasper Carrott commented ages ago, the Swiss army defensive tactic if threatened is (or at least should be) to issue all their soldiers with a lighter and some money and to stand them on the border shouting "We'll burn all your cash".
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Wahou, I thought that the last war on Earth had finished in 1945, and that from then on, there would be no more naughty war bad bad naughty again <-- sarcastic

If at least you want to be something "better" than Nostra-Wasted-damus, please tell us the number in seconds on that "countdown" of yours I would tolerate a margin of error of +/- 10 %.

And stay in Switzerland, it should remain a war-free country if war breaks out around. The reason is that if any leader attacks Switzerland, all the other leaders would attack him/her, because their private financial assets would be in danger of being seized by the naughty naughty invader of Switzerland <-- caricature, but not so wrong

[EDIT]Ouh, that made me laugh to write those non-sense. Life can be fun when you are delirious, I may envy Wasted. Or not.[/EDIT]

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If you read chronology of world major events/history then you will notice that there has always been a big upheavel on average every 50 years. There will always be injustices and exploitations and wars. Sometimes to fight off the injustices and bring back some order or at other times to write off bad debts

One generation builds something, the next lives off it and the third is wanting a change, because things might have gone stagnant or the idle well off individuals soon turn into devil's advocates.

Even Switzerland might not be safe, if things really go belly up in unexpected ways. i.e. if people come looking or tracking where their money went. Its very unlikely though as paper cash and Gold is only good when there is a System which acknowledges it. Lets say if tomorrow all the present currencies are void and Gold is replaced by some other standard, then Switzerland can keep it all and nobody would care. (This is ofcourse an extreme scenario but just wanting to illustrate a point).

As for countdown, I dont have that level of visibility on World affaris, only filtered down and delayed news report. But one of the sings would be when some revolution and protests kicks off in Saudi Arabia.

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I just read all your points of view, but what everyone is missing is what is actually happening behind the scenes, here it is all:
I made a comment on one of the threads, if these revolutions are actually instigated by the people are or there is some other design behind it for the benefit of certain entities. Ofcourse I was laughed off but now you are just reiterating my point.

Truth is, if there actually was a People's revolution, then I dont think the people in Power around the world would be just sitting idle, but shaken into a response instantly. Most modern revolutions are just made up, especially the ones which are lead by people who are already in political prominance.

Really revolutions or changes in the world are when a commoner takes a lead and changes the whole of Global political setup, like Genghiz Khan, Mao Tse Tung etc. The peoblem with such people is they are nto doing for any material gain (and hence cannot be bought) but for their personal ideals.
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Old 28.02.2011, 14:08
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I made a comment on one of the threads, if these revolutions are actually instigated by the people are or there is some other design behind it for the benefit of certain entities. Ofcourse I was laughed off but now you are just reiterating my point.
Why is it either or?

Is it not possible that there is a genuine people movement that certain entities take advantage of?
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Old 28.02.2011, 14:37
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Re: Countdown to WW3.

On another note, arn´t wars such a bore these days?
We have become so taken in by the dogma of conflict being tecnical, total annahilation at your fingertips so to speak, all sorts of swoosh-kabooms and flaggy generals and shiny gew gaws that go bang.
Have we have forgotten how to have a decent war?
Egypt shows that we still can do it, the pitched battles and skirmishes were a joy to watch, war, just like god intended.
Cavallery charges on horseback and camelback it could have been a scene straight out of the text-clay-tablet manual of the Roman army.
Only Mubarak´s guys should have read Clausewitz and Sun Tzu before they charged, because what the foot-soldiers did was classic.
Split the charge, open in front, close from behind, get the rider to the ground, then procede to kick his head in.
The French at Agincourt got themselvs dead not because of the famed Welsh longbow but to the fact that they lost the cohesion in the charge and got dragged down and knifed.
Very low-tec but just soo effective.
The very same thing happened in Egypt
It was interesting to note that the camels fared better then the horses.
Also what I saw was the use of the "turtle" phalanx using corrageted iron sheets as interlocking shields and move as a unit, the Romans could not have done better.
You should re-run it on you-tube, get some popcorn, a six-pack and have a good long hard look, because that is the way future wars will be fought. The only way future wars can be fought.
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Old 28.02.2011, 14:40
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Egypt - Protestors asking for the President to resign, but soon realise that does not help and asking for Reforms.
Wrong. The protestors in Cairo specifically demanded that the President resign. And he did, as a matter of fact, resign and run. You obviously missed the news.

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And that is what has happened in the Middle East. People were living a hopeless, miserable and unhappy life but then they saw the god bleed in Tunisia and now sharks are coming in from all directions.
Not quite... (and I have spent time in many of these countries, so do know what I am talking about). The poor toiling masses are, by and large, kept from starvation, and are too ignorant to know better. Hence the subsidized bread and other staples, and the utter lack of focus on education for the masses.

It is always a small vocal minority of the elite - the intellectuals, the professionals, the traders, the asset owners - who complain because they are not getting a fair share of the spoils.

Once the old order gives way to the new, some of these people will have secured a bigger piece of the pie. The poor huddled masses will go back to their old lives if they are lucky. More than likely though, they will be worse off in a more westernized and transparent setup, since they lack the education and the skills to benefit from it.

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The word you should be looking for is "Mahdi," The Iranian President have mentioned it a few times in his speeches and once even in his address to the UN. Hes not crazy, he very well knows what he is talking about.
He may not be crazy, but he is certainly smoking something. Besides, the Iranian president has very little real power. Khamenei and his band of merry mullahs pull all the strings down there.
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As said by Ivan Vanko character iin Ironman 2 "If you could make the god bleed then people will cease to believe in him. There will be blood in the water and the sharks will come"
I suppose the SVP would disagree with him, then

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Them that stay behind are generally better educated and better situated
Hmm, I dunno if I completely agree. The natural conclusion would be that immigrants tend to be un-skilled, ill-educated, of lower intelligence and lacking in motivation vis a vis people who stay in their native countries. I would argue that history, as well as current immigration trends, would suggest otherwise.

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If you read Nostradamus's prophecy and believed it, then you must stop hiding your head in the sand. Something BIG is coming our way.
IF. IF. If you keep burying your head in that book, the only thing big coming your way will be the bus/truck/tram that you don't see

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Heck, James Cameron probably has a solution, but I doubt they would appreciate it.
Don't you mean David? He's got a solution for everything. Its called the big society.

What I want to know is, do people on EF think that said street protests are a) righteous and b) going to make any difference?
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Don't you mean David? He's got a solution for everything. Its called the big society.
No. I meant James Cameron, the movie director who produced Titanic.
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Wrong. The protestors in Cairo specifically demanded that the President resign. And he did, as a matter of fact, resign and run. You obviously missed the news.
The last I remember was the protestors, came back after Mubarak resigned, protesting for better pay and living conditions etc. Which I translated as Reforms.


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Not quite... (and I have spent time in many of these countries, so do know what I am talking about). The poor toiling masses are, by and large, kept from starvation, and are too ignorant to know better. Hence the subsidized bread and other staples, and the utter lack of focus on education for the masses.

It is always a small vocal minority of the elite - the intellectuals, the professionals, the traders, the asset owners - who complain because they are not getting a fair share of the spoils.

Once the old order gives way to the new, some of these people will have secured a bigger piece of the pie. The poor huddled masses will go back to their old lives if they are lucky. More than likely though, they will be worse off in a more westernized and transparent setup, since they lack the education and the skills to benefit from it.
You have spent even more (infact most) fo your time in this World, so I guess you understand all about life and world then?

Hungry seldom read books or indulge in intellectual discussions. Naturally if they were just managing not to starve, they will be ignorant. BTW some educated can be quite ignorant too, infact educated ignorants are more dangerous then uneducated ones.

I thought everyone alike can benefit from a good transparent system? So Western system is only good for the educated and skillful. Hmmm... Interesting.

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He may not be crazy, but he is certainly smoking something. Besides, the Iranian president has very little real power. Khamenei and his band of merry mullahs pull all the strings down there.
I guess US President or any other President have the real power, I just hope you are not suggesting Dictatorship as real power?

What would you say about merry band of Bankers pull all the strings elsewhere?
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(Remember how many nukes are owned by all sides involved and you'll understand this is enough not to only destruct the planet but rather turning planet earth into another sun)
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Lol. You didn't take astronomy, did you? The earth laughs at nukes. Hell, cockroaches laugh at nukes. The earth will be fine. Good riddance to the people. But we will never find out what happens to Vincent Chase.
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I just read all your points of view, but what everyone is missing is what is actually happening behind the scenes, here it is all:

It's of Israel, US & EU best interest to break apart large countries into smaller ones, in particular Egypt, due to it's strategical, geographical positions, natural resources and most important is being a major part of the Israeli promised land, which is what is happening now step by step.

The ideas of democracy and revolution were the way by injecting them in the societies to break the govts apart, Tunisia was just a bate as it's relatively small country ruled by a weak govt.

Now comes Egypt, MENA's hot shot and the main stabilizer of the region, some facts you might be interested to know is:

Israel have been buying lands all around the Nile sources and the dug several extensions / branches in several countries that could have been possibly used to build dams and have reserve of water, but no, that was not their plan, instead they suggested reducing Egypt's portion of water and then Israel is asking to have an extension from Egypt to Israel as they own lots of parts of the Nile Source, which Egypt of course refused at the time

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Egypt's army is considered to be on of the strongest in the region and in some branches it is even considered the strongest in the world, all this army was mainly based across Suez Canal, as the only critical borders are the ones with israel.

So now, back to the main idea, with all the above happening one after the other ... Israeli timeline is approaching ... WW3 ... grand finale of the human race ... I'm not being pessimistic, but...
1) Egypt is not a large country. Canada is a large country.
2) If I had money to buy land in Egypt, I would buy land around the Nile sources too. It's the best land, because you can develop it, do what you want with it, and it's not subject to the whims of your neighbor upstream.
3) The Swiss army is also considered "the best in the world" in some quarters.
4) If this is your optimism, I'd hate to see you on a gloomy day.
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1) Egypt is not a large country. Canada is a large country.
I didn't say Egypt is large, i said it strategic and it's the only part left of the promised land plan.
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To correct you, Nile sources are way far south and it's not even in Egypt, the land purchased was part of a deal to get portion of the nile water delivered from Egypt and push to reduce the portion being delivered to Egypt.

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Egypt is not a world power, but it is a highly competitive regional power.
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I'm not being optimistic nor gloomy here, i'm talking facts and if you don't like it, you can just skip my posts as if it doesn't exist.
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I didn't say Egypt is large, i said it strategic and it's the only part left of the promised land plan.

To correct you, Nile sources are way far south and it's not even in Egypt, the land purchased was part of a deal to get portion of the nile water delivered from Egypt and push to reduce the portion being delivered to Egypt.


Egypt is not a world power, but it is a highly competitive regional power.

I'm not being optimistic nor gloomy here, i'm talking facts and if you don't like it, you can just skip my posts as if it doesn't exist.
Hey come on mowvich, if we don`t have dialogue and expression we might as well go and talk to kaddafi. Best to reply as best possible with a smile no?
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Hey come on mowvich, if we don`t have dialogue and expression we might as well go and talk to kaddafi. Best to reply as best possible with a smile no?
Totally agree when replies are either relevant or supported by facts, but not when it is sarcastic.
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I love conspiracy theories I've worked for governments and defense companies and can hand on heart say they don't know there arses from the elbows, they really couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery let alone have the forethought to buy land in a strategic location for an invasion plan years in advance. Governments plan no further ahead then the next election, defense companies plan no further ahead then the next election / AGM. but if you want to believe in the new world order, knock yourself out lol just remember hollywood films arn't real!!
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