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Countdown to WW3.

You throw a piece of bread at hungry mob and they fight each other for slice of it. You do it again and they fight again. But it can only go on for a while and sooner or later they will realise why fight each other for a piece of it when they can fight the ones who hold the whole trove of it.

One can observe that "conscious thinking" evolving in the recent revolutions in the Middle East.

Tunisia - Violent impromptu revolution and the President had to flee the country.
Egypt - Protestors asking for the President to resign, but soon realise that does not help and asking for Reforms.
Iraq - Protestors not asking for a the change of Rule but political reforms and better living conditions/standards.
Libya and Ghaddafi is a basket case anyway.

Soon they will realise that political Reforms and job prospects are not really possible in the current setup then what next?

Renegating IMF loans and kicking out Multinationals?
How will that effect the survival of debt ridden, troubled Western economies and how will they take it?

There are a lot of flash points which can trigger a big meltdown and disaster (dont expect the news to highlight it). Sparks of revolt in China, the Derivative bubble which will be much more severe than Property Bubble that lead to the current Financial crisis, what if Africa and Eastern Europe follows suit and has revolutions as things are not so good there either.

As said by Ivan Vanko character iin Ironman 2 "If you could make the god bleed then people will cease to believe in him. There will be blood in the water and the sharks will come" - And that is what has happened in the Middle East. People were living a hopeless, miserable and unhappy life but then they saw the god bleed in Tunisia and now sharks are coming in from all directions.

I am pretty certain that the current trends in World Politics would only culminate in a lare scale war. The word you should be looking for is "Mahdi," The Iranian President have mentioned it a few times in his speeches and once even in his address to the UN. Hes not crazy, he very well knows what he is talking about.

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People were living a hopeless, miserable and unhappy life
Were they?

I mean, most people: were they really unhappy?

Or is this just an after-the-fact assessment of the situation?
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Old 28.02.2011, 11:37
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Re: Countdown to WW3.

Isn't it just a bunch of gold selling conspiracy theorists trying to convince everyone the world is ending again?
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Isn't it just a bunch of gold selling conspiracy theorists trying to convince everyone the world is ending again?
That is excellently observed, Cyrus.

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One can observe that "conscious thinking" evolving in the recent revolutions in the Middle East.

Tunisia - Violent impromptu revolution and the President had to flee the country.
Egypt - Protestors asking for the President to resign, but soon realise that does not help and asking for Reforms.
Iraq - Protestors not asking for a the change of Rule but political reforms and better living conditions/standards.
Libya and Ghaddafi is a basket case anyway.

I don't agree 100% that the uprisings in the Arab world were simply for "a piece of bread". I believe the population realized that their dignity is worth paying the ultimate price for. Also, it was a fight against their own tyrants, not other countries.

As for WW3, it depends on which minds prevail. An attack on Israel could certainly trigger WW3, as predicted by many. I think it is likely, but it is a question of time.
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Just like Woody Harrelson (Charlie Frost) in 2012, remember "You heard it first from Wasted on EF"
somehow, somewhere, sometime WW3 will break out? You should use some nice cryptic metaphors regarding time and place of the event so 10 years into the war we could say "ah that's what he meant, why oh why didn't we understand his warnings". Wasteradamus
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Isn't it just a bunch of gold selling conspiracy theorists trying to convince everyone the world is ending again?
Call me naive (im sure you will), but what is the point of buying gold if the world is ending? You can`t dismiss a valid point concerning the overall state of countries that are being overturned by a population fed up with despot driven plundering as pure fantasy. The fact is that (and as already explained in previous threads) the world is in a crisis of insufficient food production to cover the growing needs of these people so that even if they recover stolen money and use income from oil and other raw materials, we dont have the means to increase the supply of food. so that if we dont do something about it, they will come looking for it -aka mass immigration into europe/USA etc. that won`t perhaps provoke a world war but it will create a massive immigration problem. The USA is currently the biggest consumer of corn for energy - nuff said.
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Call me naive (im sure you will), but what is the point of buying gold if the world is ending?
Well, the rich have to eat something, even if the rest of us are starving...

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The USA is currently the biggest consumer of corn for energy - nuff said.
Mind you, the USA is world's largest corn producer and exporter. What it does with its own corn is not really anyone else's business.

I don't believe there is a food shortage, per se, but speculative food pricing is keeping it out of reach of many people. The scarcities we hear about are not real scarcities of material, rather brought upon by greed and speculative pricing.

The more countries there are in the world that have governments who listen to its people, the more governments you have trying to solve their people's problems. This obviously was not happening under Mubarak or Gaddaffi. All such tyranical governments should be overthrown. Perhaps with new governments, these countries can add to the chorus of others trying to do good for humanity.
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As said by Ivan Vanko character iin Ironman 2 "If you could make the god bleed then people will cease to believe in him. There will be blood in the water and the sharks will come" - And that is what has happened in the Middle East. People were living a hopeless, miserable and unhappy life but then they saw the god bleed in Tunisia and now sharks are coming in from all directions.
I lost you once you quoted IRON MAN 2 in all seriousness. It's not even the better of the two.
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Mind you, the USA is world's largest corn producer and exporter. What it does with its own corn is not really anyone else's business.


I don't believe there is a food shortage, per se, but speculative food pricing is keeping it out of reach of many people. The scarcities we hear about are not real scarcities of material, rather brought upon by greed and speculative pricing.

Expected stocks of corn in the us will amount to about 15 days consumption this year. That is consumption and not greed and speculation. The price is one thing but the production can only be imporved by high prices.

The more countries there are in the world that have governments who listen to its people, the more governments you have trying to solve their people's problems. This obviously was not happening under Mubarak or Gaddaffi. All such tyranical governments should be overthrown. Perhaps with new governments, these countries can add to the chorus of others trying to do good for humanity.
That we all hope for but you can`t eat good intentions, when the people find out they cant eat better than they were, they aint going to be happy campers
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The Iranian President have mentioned it a few times in his speeches and once even in his address to the UN. Hes not crazy, he very well knows what he is talking about.
AhmedDinnerjacket not crazy? He's about as sane as a bag of mixed nuts.....
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these countries can add to the chorus of others trying to do good for humanity.
What others?
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Old 28.02.2011, 12:12
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AhmedDinnerjacket not crazy? He's about as sane as a bag of mixed nuts.....
Ahh! You read Fredoneverything as well
Not too sure that I can agree with the bigbang three therory. Most people are just like you and
me and want to be left alone.
There seems to be a Völkerwanderung going on at the moment, if you follow the news 47.000 refugees last year in Greece alone.
However most of them that wash up on European shores are those that did not make the grade in their own countries, without
the safty-nets that "our" society have installed, their only option is to seek a better life elsewhere.
Them that stay behind are generally better educated and better situated.
I don´t see the warm radioactive glow of WWIII in the cards, upheaval certainly, maybe civil-war in some states.
However WW3 may also be fought with the baby-bomb, the most devestating weapon in the human arsenal, outbreed the others
and everything will by yours without a shot being fired.
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Call me naive (im sure you will), but what is the point of buying gold if the world is ending?
The economies will collapse and paper money will become worthless, during the tribulation, when law and order has dissappeared and you're defending your home from the starving barbarian hordes, a stash of relatively useless malleable metal should be highest on your list for bargaining in the harsh radioactive wasteland markets that will follow.
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Ahh! You read Fredoneverything as well
Not too sure that I can agree with the bigbang three therory. Most people are just like you and
me and want to be left alone.
There seems to be a Völkerwanderung going on at the moment, if you follow the news 47.000 refugees last year in Greece alone.
However most of them that wash up on European shores are those that did not make the grade in their own countries, without
the safty-nets that "our" society have installed, their only option is to seek a better life elsewhere.
Them that stay behind are generally better educated and better situated.
I don´t see the warm radioactive glow of WWIII in the cards, upheaval certainly, maybe civil-war in some states.
However WW3 may also be fought with the baby-bomb, the most devestating weapon in the human arsenal, outbreed the others
and everything will by yours without a shot being fired.
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Re: Countdown to WW3.

Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this BS three ring circus sideshow of freaks. I wanna see it all come down!
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The economies will collapse and paper money will become worthless, during the tribulation, when law and order has dissappeared and you're defending your home from the starving barbarian hordes, a stash of relatively useless malleable metal should be highest on your list for bargaining in the harsh radioactive wasteland markets that will follow.
And that is not a conspiracy theory?
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Re: Countdown to WW3.

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I mean, most people: were they really unhappy?

Or is this just an after-the-fact assessment of the situation?
No they were not really unhappy, they just got bored with eating Caviar and sipping Vodka, and took it to the streets for a break.

You may call it after-the-fact assessment, and you would have called at pessimist Conspiracy theory if I had stated thet before-the fact, but personally I have felt that for past few years.

Mentioning it now makes more acceptable for the ill-informed masses, as there are some signs.

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Isn't it just a bunch of gold selling conspiracy theorists trying to convince everyone the world is ending again?
What grumpygit said.

But if you are to think on those lines, then Diamonds are much better for the purpose. High net worth for small mass, easy to conceal and tranport.

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I don't agree 100% that the uprisings in the Arab world were simply for "a piece of bread". I believe the population realized that their dignity is worth paying the ultimate price for. Also, it was a fight against their own tyrants, not other countries.

As for WW3, it depends on which minds prevail. An attack on Israel could certainly trigger WW3, as predicted by many. I think it is likely, but it is a question of time.
How do you define dignity?

"Piece of bread" was a metaphor, you can substitute it for "dignity." However there are millions of people who actually do struggle to have a piece of bread on daily basis. Their one tyrants were actually put in that place by the West and supported by them as well, which kind of adds a twist to the situation.

From what I think, attack on Israel was will not be a trigger fro WW3, but the concluding part of it. i.e. Israel will be sacrificed to win back Arab support

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somehow, somewhere, sometime WW3 will break out? You should use some nice cryptic metaphors regarding time and place of the event so 10 years into the war we could say "ah that's what he meant, why oh why didn't we understand his warnings". Wasteradamus
Did'nt I say the word you should be looking for is Mahdi. What would be interesting is if it would be from Iran (anti-West) or from Saudi Arabia (pro-West).

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And that is not a conspiracy theory?
?? Uhmmm....
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