Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 01.03.2011, 11:07
MrVertigo's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 3,200
Groaned at 86 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 5,788 Times in 2,254 Posts
MrVertigo has a reputation beyond reputeMrVertigo has a reputation beyond reputeMrVertigo has a reputation beyond reputeMrVertigo has a reputation beyond reputeMrVertigo has a reputation beyond reputeMrVertigo has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Which is true but completely irrelevant in the protests up to now as it seems that Bahraini shi'ites seem to like to party the very same way sunni Egyptians did...
Can you explain: "like to party the very same way sunni Egyptians did."
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 01.03.2011, 11:07
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
You can't post an affirmation and expect people to pass over it just to come back to the original question. Especially when people don't agree with you and actually ask you to clarify and justify what you claimed have seen.
Firstly Lil, the original question was whether I was on the planet last year and did not mention the green revolution.
Secondly when asked about whether I knew about it I replied affirmatively so I don`t know who pulled your chain but its not for that
Thirdly, is it particularly important whether it was a woman or a man who was executed today (incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) crimes happen and people get punished as everywhere but lastly, you need to take one of those huge chill pills you have sent out to others, don`t worry I havent been teasing your boyfriend Grynch today.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at grumpygit for this post:
  #43  
Old 01.03.2011, 11:08
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,347
Groaned at 363 Times in 293 Posts
Thanked 23,664 Times in 8,563 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Well the only thing I constantly try to do is come back to the original question as to whether Iran is the next Libya. I am well aware of what took place last year and it was not and never will be good, however and for many of the reasons youve just posted Treverus, the answer has to be no.
Or it will be even worse. Having had the experience of 2010 the part of the population that is unhappy might be willing to take more radical steps than camping on a town square as they would expect to get shot at again...
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 01.03.2011, 11:10
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,347
Groaned at 363 Times in 293 Posts
Thanked 23,664 Times in 8,563 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Can you explain: "like to party the very same way sunni Egyptians did."
Well: Expressing their protest by... having something that looks to me very much like a party on the biggest most central town square. The reactions of the governments differed, but they are in both cases Sunni, aren't they?
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 01.03.2011, 11:21
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 17,039
Groaned at 649 Times in 502 Posts
Thanked 25,824 Times in 10,409 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Arabs, Persians... Honestly: Do I look like I care?
Sorry, I thought you Austrians cared about this sort of thing.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #46  
Old 01.03.2011, 11:35
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 428 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Firstly Lil, the original question was whether I was on the planet last year and did not mention the green revolution.
Secondly when asked about whether I knew about it I replied affirmatively so I don`t know who pulled your chain but its not for that
Thirdly, is it particularly important whether it was a woman or a man who was executed today (incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) crimes happen and people get punished as everywhere but lastly, you need to take one of those huge chill pills you have sent out to others, don`t worry I havent been teasing your boyfriend Grynch today.
Now Tootsie,

You should go back and read what I told you and answer on that. You talk but you don't listen.

And Grynch isn't my boyfriend, he is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Nil for this useful post:
  #47  
Old 01.03.2011, 11:42
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Now Tootsie,

You should go back and read what I told you and answer on that. You talk but you don't listen.

And Grynch isn't my boyfriend, he is my Sugar Daddy.
I promise to read all again, and I congratulate you on your choice of Sugar Daddy
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank grumpygit for this useful post:
  #48  
Old 01.03.2011, 14:08
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,790
Groaned at 610 Times in 516 Posts
Thanked 21,692 Times in 11,389 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Firstly Lil, the original question was whether I was on the planet last year and did not mention the green revolution.
Secondly when asked about whether I knew about it I replied affirmatively so I don`t know who pulled your chain but its not for that
Thirdly, is it particularly important whether it was a woman or a man who was executed today (incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) crimes happen and people get punished as everywhere but lastly, you need to take one of those huge chill pills you have sent out to others, don`t worry I havent been teasing your boyfriend Grynch today.
About "(incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) " - not surprising in a country that has the most journalists in jail.

I am not sure Iranians would see the result of the last revolution as a reason not have another one. That revolution was 40 years ago & the majority of Iranians are under 30 so it is ancient history to them.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 01.03.2011, 14:21
Pashosh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Baden
Posts: 449
Groaned at 222 Times in 158 Posts
Thanked 1,823 Times in 1,002 Posts
Pashosh is considered a nuisancePashosh is considered a nuisancePashosh is considered a nuisance
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

If Iran's regime is overthrown - can they take their employees Mr. Galloway & Mr. Livingstone with them ?

Will the new regime allow Iranian athletes in the 2012 Olympics - the current one doesn't like the logo much (join the queue)
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 01.03.2011, 14:26
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,790
Groaned at 610 Times in 516 Posts
Thanked 21,692 Times in 11,389 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Ok, PaddyG made a simple point and you are constantly ignoring it. Simple question: Are you aware of the "green revolution" in Iran in 2010?

There are some massive differences between Iran and the other Arab countries: The country is for example far more democratic than any of the despots that we kicked out by the portesters so far. There is a parlamentary opposition and there were governments from more than one political party in the last 30 years. So people can vote and choose between candidates. And they do. The protests last year started on claims of election fraud...

The more progressive Iranians are not unhappy with the president alone -they are unhappy with the very backward clergy that has probably more power than the actual government. So just kicking a president out like in egypt would not really sovle any problem for them.
About "The country is for example far more democratic than any of the despots that we kicked out by the portesters so far."

Well firstly the real power is in the hands of the Mullahs so having elections does not actually change the leadership, it just changes the names of the Mullahs glove puppets.
Secondly it is somehow not a real opposition because you have to be chosen by the leadership to stand as an opposition candidate; in real democracies anybody can stand.
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 01.03.2011, 14:39
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
About "The country is for example far more democratic than any of the despots that we kicked out by the portesters so far."

Well firstly the real power is in the hands of the Mullahs so having elections does not actually change the leadership, it just changes the names of the Mullahs glove puppets.
Secondly it is somehow not a real opposition because you have to be chosen by the leadership to stand as an opposition candidate; in real democracies anybody can stand.
Marton, what I reckon is that you have to see the subtleties of politics in Iran like this. Firstly the golden rule is that God is Law and so he that speaks for God is the law, now under that premise what does the President do? What he does is makes a lot of noise , as Khatami did, whilst at the same time encouraging a youth movement, a womens movement, that will encourage democracy whilst at the same time, "respecting" the word of law. If we simply trash the whole system, its actually doing a disfavour for all those people that would like change. It is a very complex country and cannot be sorted with a rule of the west.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:00
Gibreal
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

If Kasmir had a few oil recources most likely situation would be different then what it is now; more then hundred thousand of people have died over there but it was blood not oil . .
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:11
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
If Kasmir had a few oil recources most likely situation would be different then what it is now; more then hundred thousand of people have died over there but it was blood not oil . .
So how much oil is there in Tunisia? or Yemen come to think of it?
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:13
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
About "(incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) " - not surprising in a country that has the most journalists in jail.

I am not sure Iranians would see the result of the last revolution as a reason not have another one. That revolution was 40 years ago & the majority of Iranians are under 30 so it is ancient history to them.
Just a point of fact, it was in 78 as far as i remember, and most of my mates there remember it too
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:18
Gibreal
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
So how much oil is there in Tunisia? or Yemen come to think of it?
I am sorry where are the american warships heading to ... ?

i give u a hint ... OIL
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:26
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
I am sorry where are the american warships heading to ... ?

i give u a hint ... OIL
Well call me picky old son, but just how many warships could you get in Kashmir? in any case thats offthread because the subject is whether Iran would be the next country to fall to a popular uprising for democracy and once again call me picky but the massive and long term fight in Kashmir is all about a Chinese/Indian/Pakistani struggle for territorial rights, so what has that to do with the issue of Libya and Iran?
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:37
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 11,790
Groaned at 610 Times in 516 Posts
Thanked 21,692 Times in 11,389 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Marton, what I reckon is that you have to see the subtleties of politics in Iran like this. Firstly the golden rule is that God is Law and so he that speaks for God is the law, now under that premise what does the President do? What he does is makes a lot of noise , as Khatami did, whilst at the same time encouraging a youth movement, a womens movement, that will encourage democracy whilst at the same time, "respecting" the word of law. If we simply trash the whole system, its actually doing a disfavour for all those people that would like change. It is a very complex country and cannot be sorted with a rule of the west.
All true but takes a long time & Ahmedi does not show much inclination to push this aspect. Maybe the Green Movement might be better to act now before the Supreme leader drags them into a nuclear war which will certainly negatively effect the population.
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:38
Gibreal
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Well call me picky old son, but just how many warships could you get in Kashmir? in any case thats offthread because the subject is whether Iran would be the next country to fall to a popular uprising for democracy and once again call me picky but the massive and long term fight in Kashmir is all about a Chinese/Indian/Pakistani struggle for territorial rights, so what has that to do with the issue of Libya and Iran?

I am sorry hundred thousand people died and people are asking for revolution for decades, ask the local people they all want freedom, they consider themselve a nation who dont want to be with pakistan/india/china. Kashmir is forcefully patrolled through huge army where serious human rights violations are done on daily basis but as mentioned it has minimum amount of western interest because it is not rich of resources like Iran/Libya.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:41
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,347
Groaned at 363 Times in 293 Posts
Thanked 23,664 Times in 8,563 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
Sorry, I thought you Austrians cared about this sort of thing.
That depends weather or not you believe in the idea of Grossdeutschland...
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 01.03.2011, 15:45
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?

Quote:
View Post
All true but takes a long time & Ahmedi does not show much inclination to push this aspect. Maybe the Green Movement might be better to act now before the Supreme leader drags them into a nuclear war which will certainly negatively effect the population.


That has to be the understatement of the decade -put it in Grytchies quotes page to cheer him up
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank grumpygit for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is Iran Finished? ali_the_nomad General off-topic 15 02.05.2010 10:42
Iran: worst PR ever? economisto International affairs/politics 25 05.01.2010 05:44
Revolt in Paysanne? richardm Daily life 5 24.09.2009 14:24
Another Airliner Crashed in Iran Malinda International affairs/politics 2 15.07.2009 22:49


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 17:26.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0