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01.03.2011, 11:07
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Which is true but completely irrelevant in the protests up to now as it seems that Bahraini shi'ites seem to like to party the very same way sunni Egyptians did... | | | | | Can you explain: "like to party the very same way sunni Egyptians did."
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01.03.2011, 11:07
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | You can't post an affirmation and expect people to pass over it just to come back to the original question. Especially when people don't agree with you and actually ask you to clarify and justify what you claimed have seen. | | | | | Firstly Lil, the original question was whether I was on the planet last year and did not mention the green revolution.
Secondly when asked about whether I knew about it I replied affirmatively so I don`t know who pulled your chain but its not for that
Thirdly, is it particularly important whether it was a woman or a man who was executed today (incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) crimes happen and people get punished as everywhere but lastly, you need to take one of those huge chill pills you have sent out to others, don`t worry I havent been teasing your boyfriend Grynch today.
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01.03.2011, 11:08
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Well the only thing I constantly try to do is come back to the original question as to whether Iran is the next Libya. I am well aware of what took place last year and it was not and never will be good, however and for many of the reasons youve just posted Treverus, the answer has to be no. | | | | | Or it will be even worse. Having had the experience of 2010 the part of the population that is unhappy might be willing to take more radical steps than camping on a town square as they would expect to get shot at again...
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01.03.2011, 11:10
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Can you explain: "like to party the very same way sunni Egyptians did." | | | | | Well: Expressing their protest by... having something that looks to me very much like a party on the biggest most central town square. The reactions of the governments differed, but they are in both cases Sunni, aren't they?
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01.03.2011, 11:21
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Arabs, Persians... Honestly: Do I look like I care? | | | | | Sorry, I thought you Austrians cared about this sort of thing.
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01.03.2011, 11:35
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Firstly Lil, the original question was whether I was on the planet last year and did not mention the green revolution.
Secondly when asked about whether I knew about it I replied affirmatively so I don`t know who pulled your chain but its not for that
Thirdly, is it particularly important whether it was a woman or a man who was executed today (incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) crimes happen and people get punished as everywhere but lastly, you need to take one of those huge chill pills you have sent out to others, don`t worry I havent been teasing your boyfriend Grynch today. | | | | | Now Tootsie,
You should go back and read what I told you and answer on that. You talk but you don't listen.
And Grynch isn't my boyfriend, he is my Sugar Daddy.
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01.03.2011, 11:42
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Now Tootsie,
You should go back and read what I told you and answer on that. You talk but you don't listen.
And Grynch isn't my boyfriend, he is my Sugar Daddy. | | | | | I promise to read all again, and I congratulate you on your choice of Sugar Daddy
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01.03.2011, 14:08
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Firstly Lil, the original question was whether I was on the planet last year and did not mention the green revolution.
Secondly when asked about whether I knew about it I replied affirmatively so I don`t know who pulled your chain but its not for that
Thirdly, is it particularly important whether it was a woman or a man who was executed today (incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) crimes happen and people get punished as everywhere but lastly, you need to take one of those huge chill pills you have sent out to others, don`t worry I havent been teasing your boyfriend Grynch today. | | | | | About "(incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) " - not surprising in a country that has the most journalists in jail.
I am not sure Iranians would see the result of the last revolution as a reason not have another one. That revolution was 40 years ago & the majority of Iranians are under 30 so it is ancient history to them.
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01.03.2011, 14:21
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt?
If Iran's regime is overthrown - can they take their employees Mr. Galloway & Mr. Livingstone with them ?
Will the new regime allow Iranian athletes in the 2012 Olympics - the current one doesn't like the logo much (join the queue)
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01.03.2011, 14:26
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Ok, PaddyG made a simple point and you are constantly ignoring it. Simple question: Are you aware of the "green revolution" in Iran in 2010?
There are some massive differences between Iran and the other Arab countries: The country is for example far more democratic than any of the despots that we kicked out by the portesters so far. There is a parlamentary opposition and there were governments from more than one political party in the last 30 years. So people can vote and choose between candidates. And they do. The protests last year started on claims of election fraud...
The more progressive Iranians are not unhappy with the president alone -they are unhappy with the very backward clergy that has probably more power than the actual government. So just kicking a president out like in egypt would not really sovle any problem for them. | | | | | About "The country is for example far more democratic than any of the despots that we kicked out by the portesters so far."
Well firstly the real power is in the hands of the Mullahs so having elections does not actually change the leadership, it just changes the names of the Mullahs glove puppets.
Secondly it is somehow not a real opposition because you have to be chosen by the leadership to stand as an opposition candidate; in real democracies anybody can stand.
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01.03.2011, 14:39
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | About "The country is for example far more democratic than any of the despots that we kicked out by the portesters so far."
Well firstly the real power is in the hands of the Mullahs so having elections does not actually change the leadership, it just changes the names of the Mullahs glove puppets.
Secondly it is somehow not a real opposition because you have to be chosen by the leadership to stand as an opposition candidate; in real democracies anybody can stand. | | | | | Marton, what I reckon is that you have to see the subtleties of politics in Iran like this. Firstly the golden rule is that God is Law and so he that speaks for God is the law, now under that premise what does the President do? What he does is makes a lot of noise , as Khatami did, whilst at the same time encouraging a youth movement, a womens movement, that will encourage democracy whilst at the same time, "respecting" the word of law. If we simply trash the whole system, its actually doing a disfavour for all those people that would like change. It is a very complex country and cannot be sorted with a rule of the west.
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01.03.2011, 15:00
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If Kasmir had a few oil recources most likely situation would be different then what it is now; more then hundred thousand of people have died over there but it was blood not oil . .
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01.03.2011, 15:11
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | If Kasmir had a few oil recources most likely situation would be different then what it is now; more then hundred thousand of people have died over there but it was blood not oil . . | | | | | So how much oil is there in Tunisia? or Yemen come to think of it?
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01.03.2011, 15:13
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | About "(incidentally i can`t find any news about that at all) " - not surprising in a country that has the most journalists in jail.
I am not sure Iranians would see the result of the last revolution as a reason not have another one. That revolution was 40 years ago & the majority of Iranians are under 30 so it is ancient history to them. | | | | | Just a point of fact, it was in 78 as far as i remember, and most of my mates there remember it too
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01.03.2011, 15:18
| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | So how much oil is there in Tunisia? or Yemen come to think of it? | | | | | I am sorry where are the american warships heading to ... ?
i give u a hint ... OIL
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01.03.2011, 15:26
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | I am sorry where are the american warships heading to ... ?
i give u a hint ... OIL | | | | | Well call me picky old son, but just how many warships could you get in Kashmir? in any case thats offthread because the subject is whether Iran would be the next country to fall to a popular uprising for democracy and once again call me picky but the massive and long term fight in Kashmir is all about a Chinese/Indian/Pakistani struggle for territorial rights, so what has that to do with the issue of Libya and Iran?
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01.03.2011, 15:37
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Marton, what I reckon is that you have to see the subtleties of politics in Iran like this. Firstly the golden rule is that God is Law and so he that speaks for God is the law, now under that premise what does the President do? What he does is makes a lot of noise , as Khatami did, whilst at the same time encouraging a youth movement, a womens movement, that will encourage democracy whilst at the same time, "respecting" the word of law. If we simply trash the whole system, its actually doing a disfavour for all those people that would like change. It is a very complex country and cannot be sorted with a rule of the west. | | | | | All true but takes a long time & Ahmedi does not show much inclination to push this aspect. Maybe the Green Movement might be better to act now before the Supreme leader drags them into a nuclear war which will certainly negatively effect the population.
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01.03.2011, 15:38
| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Well call me picky old son, but just how many warships could you get in Kashmir? in any case thats offthread because the subject is whether Iran would be the next country to fall to a popular uprising for democracy and once again call me picky but the massive and long term fight in Kashmir is all about a Chinese/Indian/Pakistani struggle for territorial rights, so what has that to do with the issue of Libya and Iran? | | | | |
I am sorry hundred thousand people died and people are asking for revolution for decades, ask the local people they all want freedom, they consider themselve a nation who dont want to be with pakistan/india/china. Kashmir is forcefully patrolled through huge army where serious human rights violations are done on daily basis but as mentioned it has minimum amount of western interest because it is not rich of resources like Iran/Libya.
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01.03.2011, 15:41
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry, I thought you Austrians cared about this sort of thing. | | | | | That depends weather or not you believe in the idea of Grossdeutschland...
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01.03.2011, 15:45
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| | Re: Will Iran be next to revolt? | Quote: | |  | | | All true but takes a long time & Ahmedi does not show much inclination to push this aspect. Maybe the Green Movement might be better to act now before the Supreme leader drags them into a nuclear war which will certainly negatively effect the population. | | | | |
That has to be the understatement of the decade -put it in Grytchies quotes page to cheer him up
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