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Old 28.02.2011, 22:32
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Will Iran be next to revolt?

Mirhossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi, who were already held under house arrest, were moved to the Heshmatiyeh prison in Tehran, the opposition website Kaleme reported on Monday.

Seems like the authorities want to up the stakes; high risk approach?
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Old 01.03.2011, 00:39
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Re: Iran next??

Iran Next?

Yeah, take them ALL down. I'm tired of all the sabre-rattling BS. It has NEVER impressed anybody, and it NEVER will.

They're ALL full of hot air.
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Old 01.03.2011, 09:15
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What might surprise you is that the Iranian people in general enjoy their way of life. Of course there are high profile cases of human rights abuse etc but I don't believe there is the same underlying hatred that exists in Tunisia Egypt and libya. There is certainly not the same poverty as in say Egypt
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Old 01.03.2011, 09:30
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I'm tired of all the sabre-rattling BS.
Oi! Leave Basel out of this.
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Old 01.03.2011, 09:36
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What might surprise you is that the Iranian people in general enjoy their way of life. Of course there are high profile cases of human rights abuse etc but I don't believe there is the same underlying hatred that exists in Tunisia Egypt and libya. There is certainly not the same poverty as in say Egypt
Erm, were you off the planet last year?
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Old 01.03.2011, 10:04
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What might surprise you is that the Iranian people in general enjoy their way of life. Of course there are high profile cases of human rights abuse etc but I don't believe there is the same underlying hatred that exists in Tunisia Egypt and libya. There is certainly not the same poverty as in say Egypt

I haven't met an Iranian who wasn't deeply unhappy with the oppression in his country.

How many have you met?
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Old 01.03.2011, 10:07
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I haven't met an Iranian who wasn't deeply unhappy with the oppression in his country.
In Iran, or outside Iran?

The level of discontent with the current arrangements amongst urbane middle class Persians in Switzerand might be a little different to that amongst conservative small town folk from the middle of nowhere.
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In Iran, or outside Iran?

The level of discontent with the current arrangements amongst urbane middle class Persians in Switzerand might be a little different to that amongst conservative small town folk from the middle of nowhere.
In Iran. Behind closed doors.


The ones outside Iran don't seem too bothered.
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I haven't met an Iranian who wasn't deeply unhappy with the oppression in his country.

How many have you met?
Well obviously I wouldnt be so presumptious as to make such a statement unless I had quite a lot of experience and that is why I say it. Don`t misunderstand , as I detest oppression and uncontested authority, But I have to say that every time I travel to that country I am always surprised to see that the average person is content. Of course there are reforms necessary and of course they won`t be coming soon, but my point was that there is certainly (in my humble opinion) not the impetus that you have seen in other N African and mid east countries
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Old 01.03.2011, 10:21
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Well obviously I wouldnt be so presumptious as to make such a statement unless I had quite a lot of experience and that is why I say it. Don`t misunderstand , as I detest oppression and uncontested authority, But I have to say that every time I travel to that country I am always surprised to see that the average person is content. Of course there are reforms necessary and of course they won`t be coming soon, but my point was that there is certainly (in my humble opinion) not the impetus that you have seen in other N African and mid east countries
I'd agree -there doesn't seem to be the impetus to get up and revolt amongst the common people. It's more a feeling of quiet, reserved despair.
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Well obviously I wouldnt be so presumptious as to make such a statement unless I had quite a lot of experience and that is why I say it. Don`t misunderstand , as I detest oppression and uncontested authority, But I have to say that every time I travel to that country I am always surprised to see that the average person is content. Of course there are reforms necessary and of course they won`t be coming soon, but my point was that there is certainly (in my humble opinion) not the impetus that you have seen in other N African and mid east countries
because the malcontents foolish enough to express their displeasure are all in prison!
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Old 01.03.2011, 10:24
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What might surprise you is that the Iranian people in general enjoy their way of life. Of course there are high profile cases of human rights abuse etc but I don't believe there is the same underlying hatred that exists in Tunisia Egypt and libya. There is certainly not the same poverty as in say Egypt
I had many Iranians students who told me a lot about how it is over there and how them, their friends and family are living under this regime.

Beside those I met while travelling, who told me about how it is in the country on a daily basis. Those I met in my home country who ran away from the regime.

I never met an Iranian who told me that him/her and his family are trully happy to live there.
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Old 01.03.2011, 10:25
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because the malcontents foolish enough to express their displeasure are all in prison!
Or perhaps its that those with a long enough memory remember the Shah and the cute way he dealt with discontent, or maybe they remember the iran iraq war, and the summer holidays they enjoyed in a nice iraqi camp.
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Old 01.03.2011, 10:27
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I had many Iranians students who told me a lot about how it is over there and how them, their friends and family are living under this regime.

Beside those I met while travelling, who told me about how it is in the country on a daily basis. Those I met in my home country who ran away from the regime.

I never met an Iranian who told me that him/her and his family are trully happy to live there.
So how come there isnt a total exodus from the country. Iranians are free to travel - as you have seen - and as I said, this is my experience travelling many many times in the country.
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Old 01.03.2011, 10:36
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So how come there isnt a total exodus from the country. Iranians are free to travel - as you have seen - and as I said, this is my experience travelling many many times in the country.
Do you have a much simpler question? Why Iraqis stay in Irak, Why Afghanis stay in Afghanistan and why Kurds stay in the east part of Turkey?

Because it is their home?
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Well that of course is true but were getting away from the thread which was wether Iran follows Libya down the path of revolt, and therefore the question is wether there is the stregth of feeling in Iran amongst the people to bring down the government, and in my opinion the answer is that they won`t and that is because the people are relatively happy.
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Well that of course is true but were getting away from the thread which was wether Iran follows Libya down the path of revolt, and therefore the question is wether there is the stregth of feeling in Iran amongst the people to bring down the government, and in my opinion the answer is that they won`t and that is because the people are relatively happy.
...apart from those who protested, were beaten, shot at and sometimes killed or put on trial and executed.

You could have said exactly the same thing about Libya only a few years ago; the people were (allegedly) happy, loved their leader, loved their prosperity and way of life etc etc. Look what happened.
Based on what I'd read and heard, I would never, in a million years, have expected a popular revolution to happen in Libya. But it is.
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Well that of course is true but were getting away from the thread which was wether Iran follows Libya down the path of revolt, and therefore the question is wether there is the stregth of feeling in Iran amongst the people to bring down the government, and in my opinion the answer is that they won`t and that is because the people are relatively happy.
This is where I believe you are wrong. Maybe they won't because they are scared. Because for too long now when someone say something about the regime, they disappear. Look what happened in last year protest.

Every single person I know from there have a family member who has been tortured, who have been killed or who have never been seen again.

Since you have been visiting there often, you must have seen the condition of education and schools, you must have seen the women in the street, you must have seen the women's police? You must have seen shops being shut down and people having their goods taken away? You must have seen teenager boys disappearing in the street and parcs?

That is not in a movie, this is what happens in real life.

Are they going to do the revolution? I don't know. But I fear more for them than the Egyptian or the Tunisian. And if they do fight for the revolution, it is going to be very ugly.

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Women, gays and who else are being executed on a regular basis in Iran? Did you see them in your travels?
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[QUOTE=PaddyG;1120290]...apart from those who protested, were beaten, shot at and sometimes killed or put on trial and executed.

If you classify that in terms of indications of popular revolution, you might as well add half the countries in the world - China being at the top of the list.
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This is where I believe you are wrong. Maybe they won't because they are scared. Because for too long now when someone say something about the regime, they disappear. Look what happened in last year protest.

Every single person I know from there have a family member who has been tortured, who have been killed or who have never been seen again.

Since you have been visiting there often, you must have seen the condition of education and schools, you must have seen the women in the street, you must have seen the women's police? You must have seen shops being shut down and people having their goods taken away? You must have seen teenager boys disappearing in the street and parcs?

That is not in a movie, this is what happens in real life.

Are they going to do the revolution? I don't know. But I fear more for them than the Egyptian or the Tunisian. And if they do fight for the revolution, it is going to be very ugly.

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Yes Nil but I repeat my earlier point, was anything different in the time of the Shah? As for education, personally I reckon most young people have a basic education , can read etc, Ive seen much worse in relatively civilised countries.
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