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Well Tamoil is half owned by Gadaffi and we have blocked his accounts, and half owned by the Dutch whom we all like.

So yes Tamoil is back on the list again.
It's all a bit confusing because Esso's adverts feature a Tamoil Tiger, but it was a BP platform in the Gulf of Mexico that issued an Esso S.
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half owned by the Dutch whom we all like.
Speak for yourself
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the stock market. Supply and demand
The Oil Market.
The stock market is for...stocks.
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The point about nuclear power is not the question of the political stability of the uranium producers - it is the "what if?". Shit happens and pretty much anything that could go wrong did go wrong in the past - so there is no 100% safety. The problem with nuclear power is that this very small chance of an accident can have far bigger consequences than any other energy source. And we all know that there were far more frequent problems in reactors all over the world than only the one (incredibly big) case of Tchernobyl.
Completely wrong.
Uranium is in very limited supply. All the known ressources wouldn't cover 10% of the world energy consumption.
It's the most expensive way of making electricity, considering the construcion AND destrucion costs of power plants. The power companies running them (and states) prentend it's cheap excluding down times and destruction/recycling costs. Overall it's much more expensive than oil of course.
It's not safe....
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Old 04.03.2011, 14:16
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Completely wrong.
Uranium is in very limited supply. All the known ressources wouldn't cover 10% of the world energy consumption.
It's the most expensive way of making electricity, considering the construcion AND destrucion costs of power plants. The power companies running them (and states) prentend it's cheap excluding down times and destruction/recycling costs. Overall it's much more expensive than oil of course.
It's not safe....
Got a source for any of those statements ? Currently nukes provide 20% of US power consumption and 80% of French power consumption.
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Well Tamoil is half owned by Gadaffi and we have blocked his accounts, and half owned by the Dutch whom we all like.

Err, you sure about that?


(The "half owned by the Dutch" bit, not whether we like the Dutch, that is... )
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Old 04.03.2011, 14:44
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Was it on the M25?
It M2/M25/A13. I am sure that FIVE slow lorries has a massive impact.
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Got a source for any of those statements ? Currently nukes provide 20% of US power consumption and 80% of French power consumption.
I had a quick Google and a ccording a 2008 report, there are enough extractable Uranium resources worldwide to last well into the next century (based on current requirements).
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Old 04.03.2011, 14:52
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Err, you sure about that?


(The "half owned by the Dutch" bit, not whether we like the Dutch, that is... )
The Dutch don't own any of it but the company is incorporated in the Netherlands.
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Got a source for any of those statements ? Currently nukes provide 20% of US power consumption and 80% of French power consumption.
no it doesn't. "nukes" provides 20% of US and 80% of french electricity consumption, not power. It less than 5% of the world power consumption.
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Old 04.03.2011, 14:57
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no it doesn't. "nukes" provides 20% of US and 80% of french electricity consumption, not power. It less than 5% of the world power consumption.
What, apart from electricity, do "power" stations provide?
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I had a quick Google and a ccording a 2008 report, there are enough extractable Uranium resources worldwide to last well into the next century (based on current requirements).
yes, there's one century of Uranium at current consumption. But Nuclear power is 5% of total energy requirements today, so if we were to increase the share of nuclear power (it's a thread about cutting oil addiction after all!), the ressources would drop.

100 years at 5% total power consumption ->
5 years at 100% total power!
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What, apart from electricity, do "power" stations provide?
wow...
do you run your car thanks to a power station?? Or heat your house? Or run the trains?
Electricity is a small part of total power!
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wow...
do you run your car thanks to a power station?? Or heat your house? Or run the trains?
Electricity is a small part of total power!
No, yes and yes. Actually.

Edit: in 2005, Nuclear energy accounted for 15% of the worlds total electricity production. Before you continue to talk about power, could you define it for me please, in the context of this discussion.
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The Toyota Prius isn't at all fuel efficient. It is heavy with the extra batteries, and uses even more fuel than other cars the same size. The electricity also has to be paid for in fossil fuels, or environment costs, or storing nuclear waste.

the efficiency comes from the fact that it recaptures part of the energy which would otherwise be dissipated as heat from the brakes of an ordinary car (you don't plug it in). it also uses its overall energy more efficiently by using electricity sometimes and fuel at others. it is a very fuel efficient vehicle.
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No, yes and yes. Actually.

Edit: in 2005, Nuclear energy accounted for 15% of the worlds total electricity production. Before you continue to talk about power, could you define it for me please, in the context of this discussion.
I don't see what's so obsure about it:
POWER is the total enery used
ELECTRICITY is a mean of using this power, not all of it. The petrol you pour in your tank is a power source but it's not electricity!

Nuclear plants provide electricity (15% of the world consumption maybe) that represents less than 5% of the total power used
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Uranium is finite and will run out. However people I know in the industry believe that even with the expansion plans for the next 20 years this is at least 200 years away and probably nearer 600 years. Plus there's always the possibility to switch to Thorium which is 3x more plentiful than Uranium. I won't even mention fast breeders.
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the efficiency comes from the fact that it recaptures part of the energy which would otherwise be dissipated as heat from the brakes of an ordinary car (you don't plug it in). it also uses its overall energy more efficiently by using electricity sometimes and fuel at others. it is a very fuel efficient vehicle.

except its less fuel efficient then a 5 series bmw diesel and only marginally better the a Jeep diesel, and waaaaaaaaay less the a vw polo eco diesel thing.
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Sounds like a Tea Party scheme to me.

Strange that nobody mentioned something about a birth certificate.

The price of petrol is not determined by conspiracy but by supply and demand.


tea party? he's talking about BP and ESSO. i know bp because they spilled oil all over my backyard, but I have never heard of ESSO in my life. and if it wasn't enough, the guy's name is Philip Hollsworth for crying out loud. definitely not one of ours.
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tea party? he's talking about BP and ESSO. i know bp because they spilled oil all over my backyard, but I have never heard of ESSO in my life. and if it wasn't enough, the guy's name is Philip Hollsworth for crying out loud. definitely not one of ours.

who spilled the oil?? esso is exxon in europe.
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