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There is in fact food panic and hoarding in Tokyo. Store shelves have been emptied. This isn't just a western media report. It was reported by friends in Tokyo. It's human nature.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...y-panic-buying
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Never mind shop's in Tokyo, all over the world you see the older generation shopping, stocking up on sugar,salt and can's like there will be no tomorrow.

They have all seen it and are prepared.
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What do you mean all over the world.... older generation?
I think what he means is that the store shelves in Tokyo empyting, doesn't immediately mean food-PANIC (as you seem to like to repeatedly use this word) but that people (especially older people who have experienced a lot of things/situations in life) are just preparing themselves for emergency situations.

Obviously I know MANY people in Japan as I am from there, but NONE of them are in panic-mode, even my parents' friends some of whose relatives are still missing. I would also try to stock up my fridge, or food cabinet, if such crisis happens, not because I am totally panicking, but just to be prepared.
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Re: Earthquake in Japan - 8.9 on richter

I would have pressed the "Thanks" button many times if possible, you just explained it in a very informative way, again i say it and won't change my mind, some people (regardless of nationality) are so intolerant regarding the current crisis and similar situation.

Can we just try to be positive and helpful as possible instead of going again into bashing each others

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That's how I understood the initial post as well, that you were not talking specifically about Americans, but "human attitude"... so people pls relax a bit.
It is also not about which country is helping "the most". I have absolute gratitude and respect for each and every foreign rescuer, the dogs, and specialist that have come to Japan to help. Just now on NHK, I saw Pakistani volunteers handing out rice and curry soup (apparently a Pakistani dish) at the evacuation centers, saying it doesn't matter what nationality you are, we need to help each other. Very comforting sight.

Another news was of a 59 year old man, living in Shimane (non affected prefecture way south) who is only 6 months away from retirement, volunteered to assist at the power plant melt down when his company formed a group of 20 people to send to Fukushima. He has been working in nuclear power generation for 40 years, and his family saw him off yesterday morning saying although they are worried of his safety, he has a strong sense of mission/vocation.

I would however like to repeat, that the international media is causing unnecessary panic regarding the radiation status. Do I think the French government has overreacted sending some 3000 of its people back to France? Yes. NHK showed a map of Kanto and the northern area with each area's radiation dose, and I don't remember the exact figures (I am def no expert), but if let's say the radiation dose for a chest x-ray is 50, Shinjuku (Tokyo) is 0.14, and even Fukushima is 21.5, so they urged the people to please calm down and not overly panic over the radiation leak.

The overly dramatic international media (and people who react to each and every word written) causes countries across the ocean to go crazy buying all the potassium iodide they can get. Such false information (radiation levels, or reporting that Tokyo is in panic mode- which again I must state, it is not) also causes people to misinform others as was shown in the message board comment I copy/pasted before. It's a bit ironic that Japan, where the disaster has struck, is dealing with the situation in a calmer manner than other countries.

Yes, the stores in Tokyo area are emptying, my friends have sent pictures. NHK has already asked the people this evening for people to stop hoarding, unless you are in Tohoku (the disaster stricken area). People are stocking up, from concern. Concern and PANIC are not the same thing.

As someone else said before, it is a shame that people are now focusing more on the nuclear plant situation, and how to get the pills for themselves, rather than thinking of the people who need immediate help in Fukushima area. It is below zero now, snowing, and sadly some people are already dying at the evacuation centers as well, the elderly people, from the cold, fatigue, lack of food and medicine...
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I would have pressed the "Thanks" button many times if possible, you just explained it in a very informative way, again i say it and won't change my mind, some people (regardless of nationality) are so intolerant regarding the current crisis and similar situation.

Can we just try to be positive and helpful as possible instead of going again into bashing each others
Agreed... Lets not be intolerant like These Folks*: (Note, I am not posting what they said ... you can read for yourself... )

*From USA Todayhttp://www.usatoday.com/life/people/...T_N.htm?csp=hf

Comic Gilbert Gottfried was fired Monday as the voice of insurance giant Aflac after tweeting jokes .....
Family Guywriter Alec Sulkin tweeted that .....
• Rapper 50 Cent joked that the .....

I think we can all agree that:
1). There are intolerant people in this world who only look out for themselves.
2). Human nature and instinct drive us to want to protect ourselves and our loved ones... We may not mean to be insensitive, but that is how it comes out.
3). Folks like the above will continue to be "stars" in most peoples eyes regardless of their comments... (which will soon be forgotten...)
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Obviously I know MANY people in Japan as I am from there, but NONE of them are in panic-mode, even my parents' friends some of whose relatives are still missing. I would also try to stock up my fridge, or food cabinet, if such crisis happens, not because I am totally panicking, but just to be prepared.

It is true that this kind of panic is a self-feeding frenzy. It was the word used by a friend who fled Tokyo with her children to avoid the situation. It has less to do with the actual level of radiation.
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If anyone speaks Japanese and willing to help, there's a crisis mapping team working with the global NGO's and humanitarian aid http://www.sinsai.info/ushahidi/ , they need online crisis mapping volunteers, you can PM me to provide you with the responsible's email.
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3). Folks like the above will continue to be "stars" in most peoples eyes regardless of their comments... (which will soon be forgotten...)
Sad, but probably true...


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If anyone speaks Japanese and willing to help, there's a crisis mapping team working with the global NGO's and humanitarian aid http://www.sinsai.info/ushahidi/ , they need online crisis mapping volunteers, you can PM me to provide you with the responsible's email.
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I may have a sick sense of humour, but I had to laugh at this and myself - I mean I almost went and got some iodide pills, until my husband came home and said " some people in the US are really stupid they are buying anti-radiation pills- Nuts!"

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Despite assurances from health officials that Americans are not at risk from Japanese nuclear reactors, U.S. drug stores are reporting a sudden increase in sales of the over-the-counter anti-radiation pills.
Potassium iodide pills are reportedly flying off the shelves at drug stores in at least three West Coast states -- Oregon, California and Hawaii -- according to several local press accounts.
The Wall Street Journal also reports that one Virginia-based supplier, Anbex Inc., sold out of its entire supply of 10,000 14-tablet packages on Saturday.
Alan Morris, president of the company, reportedly said that the supplier is receiving about three orders a minute for $10 packages of its Iosat pills.
"Those who don't get it are crying. They're terrified," Morris told the newspaper.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/15...-iodide-sales/
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I wanted to pass along the recent travel advisory as of 1600 Hrs today from the company I work for..(fyi, we are a transportation company).
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... to avoid all non-essential travel to Japan at this time and strongly advise to avoid all travel to north eastern Japan and Miyagi prefecture.
... not to travel to Miyagi prefecture due to the ongoing relief and recovery operation and severe damage caused to key infrastructure. Travelers in Miyagi Prefecture should leave. Affected areas are also without essential services and there are reports of shortages of food and water.
... to reconsider your need to travel to Chiba, Aomori, Iwate and Ibaraki Prefectures and surrounding districts until further notice due to the disruption to essential services caused by the earthquake
... to reconsider your need to travel to Nagano and Niigata Prefectures due to the threat of further earthquakes and the risk of avalanches.
... to reconsider your need to travel to Tokyo and surrounding earthquake-affected districts due to the risk of unpredictable disruptions to essential services such as transport and electric power. This includes the deliberate shutdown of some train links and power services by Japanese authorities seeking to divert electricity elsewhere.
... to consider non-essential travel in parts of Japan unaffected by the earthquake and tsunamis should take careful account of the impact of ongoing disruption to transport hubs in and around Tokyo and other parts of Japan.

Current Airport Statistics:

Flights / Airports:

§ NRT/Tokyo Narita – Open
§ HND/Tokyo Haneda – Open
§ Sendai – Closed
§ Sado – Closed
§ Iwate-Hanamaki – Partially Open
§ UKB/Kobe – Open
§ KIX/Osaka – Open
§ KIJ/Niigata – Open
§ Amori – Partially Open
§ Akita – Partially Open
§ Misawa – Partially Open
§ Yamagata – Open
§ Shonai – Open
§ Odate Noshiro – Open
§ Fukushima – Partially Open
Ground Transportation:

- Japan Rail trains from Tokyo station are not operating or are subject to severe delays.
- Narita Express services are not running. The Tokyo metro is operating a reduced service.
- The Bullet trains and the Tokyo monorail remain in full service.
- Many roads have been damaged in the Tokyo area and in northern Japan, particularly in the Miyagi prefecture where government checkpoints have been established on damaged roadways.
- In Iwate Prefecture, toll road highways are restricted to emergency vehicles only.

General Information:

Temporary shortages of water and food supplies may occur in affected areas of Japan due to power and transportation disruptions. Telephone services have also been disrupted in affected areas.

Traveler currently in Japan should be aware that rolling power outages are scheduled for the Tokyo Metropolitan area and in northern and central Honshu. Tokyo Electric Company reports that three-hour outages may occur in various regions, including Tokyo, starting the morning of Monday, March 14. Please monitor the Tokyo Electric Power Company website, http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/index-e.html , and local news media for specific information and schedules for the planned outages. Radio stations in the Tokyo area that have emergency information in English include the U.S. Armed Forces station at 810AM and InterFM (76.1FM).
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Agreed... Lets not be intolerant like These Folks*: (Note, I am not posting what they said ... you can read for yourself... )

*From USA Todayhttp://www.usatoday.com/life/people/...T_N.htm?csp=hf

Comic Gilbert Gottfried was fired Monday as the voice of insurance giant Aflac after tweeting jokes .....
Family Guywriter Alec Sulkin tweeted that .....
• Rapper 50 Cent joked that the .....

I think we can all agree that:
1). There are intolerant people in this world who only look out for themselves.
2). Human nature and instinct drive us to want to protect ourselves and our loved ones... We may not mean to be insensitive, but that is how it comes out.
3). Folks like the above will continue to be "stars" in most peoples eyes regardless of their comments... (which will soon be forgotten...)
I agree but please let's not discuss or reprint any more of the insensitive jokes, they should just be ignored. I have a sick sense of humour sometimes but even I don't go to that depth of depravity.
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I agree but please let's not discuss or reprint any more of the insensitive jokes, they should just be ignored. I have a sick sense of humour sometimes but even I don't go to that depth of depravity.
Totally agree, this thread should should stay constructive, positive and informative from now on
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As a Brit I'm appalled by the embarassing misunderstanding for our rescue teams:

"UK rescue workers say they had to leave quake-hit Japan because they could not secure the necessary paperwork from the British embassy in Tokyo."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12756366

Bit of a disgrace really..
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BTW, not sure if this has been posted on here anywhere, however the website http://www.iaea.org/ is for the International Atomic Energa Association, and has better up to date information in regards to the current situation in Japan.
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As a Brit I'm appalled by the embarassing misunderstanding for our rescue teams:
The mexican team is still stranded in Mexico until they get enough funds to pay for the tickets .
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Fifty workers stayed at the plant, but now those figures have swelled to over 150. A 59 year -old, 6 months away from retirement, volunteered to stay behind, his wife said "Please do your best to bring relief to the people." ( CNN reports)
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The mexican team is still stranded in Mexico until they get enough funds to pay for the tickets .
Pls do not mention that to Jeremy Clarkson..
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Fifty workers stayed at the plant, but now those figures have swelled to over 150. A 59 year -old, 6 months away from retirement, volunteered to stay behind, his wife said "Please do your best to bring relief to the people." ( CNN reports)
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...1072be714a.691
One of the firemen at Chernobyl expressed the thought of being in this situation very bluntly:


"Of course we knew[talking about the risks]! If we'd followed regulations, we would never have gone near the reactor. But it was a moral obligation—our duty. We were like kamikaze"
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The Japanese do not forget honorable favors. I know a family whose ancestor saved the life of another family's ancestor. Many centuries and generations later, to this day, the family still continues to honor the other family. This may occur less so now, but I love that about the Japanese people and culture.
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One of the firemen at Chernobyl expressed the thought of being in this situation very bluntly:


"Of course we knew[talking about the risks]! If we'd followed regulations, we would never have gone near the reactor. But it was a moral obligation—our duty. We were like kamikaze"
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Great words, it's all about moral obligation

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I've been asked questions along this theme multiple times, from my friends and family in the United States to colleagues who work around the globe: How, amid Japan's worst natural disaster in 100 years, can the Japanese seem so calm?
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Some more information from the Wall Street Journal (William Tucker) about what is happening from a more technical point of view.

Full article Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...680697248.html
The core of a nuclear reactor operates at about 550 degrees Fahrenheit, well below the temperature of a coal furnace and only slightly hotter than a kitchen oven. If anything unusual occurs, the control rods immediately drop, shutting off the nuclear reaction. You can’t have a “runaway reactor,” nor can a reactor explode like a nuclear bomb. A commercial reactor is to a bomb what Vaseline is to napalm. Although both are made from petroleum jelly, only one of them has potentially explosive material.
Once the reactor has shut down, there remains “decay heat” from traces of other radioactive isotopes. This can take more than a week to cool down, and the rods must be continually bathed in cooling waters to keep them from overheating.
On all Generation II reactors—the ones currently in operation—the cooling water is circulated by electric pumps. The new Generation III reactors such as the AP1000 have a simplified “passive” cooling system where the water circulates by natural convection with no pumping required.
If the pumps are knocked out in a Generation II reactor—as they were at Fukushima Daiichi by the tsunami—the water in the cooling system can overheat and evaporate. The resulting steam increases internal pressure that must be vented. There was a small release of radioactive steam at Three Mile Island in 1979, and there have also been a few releases at Fukushima Daiichi. These produce radiation at about the level of one dental X-ray in the immediate vicinity and quickly dissipate.
If the coolant continues to evaporate, the water level can fall below the level of the fuel rods, exposing them. This will cause a meltdown, meaning the fuel rods melt to the bottom of the steel pressure vessel.
Early speculation was that in a case like this the fuel might continue melting right through the steel and perhaps even through the concrete containment structure—the so-called China syndrome, where the fuel would melt all the way to China. But Three Mile Island proved this doesn’t happen. The melted fuel rods simply aren’t hot enough to melt steel or concrete.
The decay heat must still be absorbed, however, and as a last-ditch effort the emergency core cooling system can be activated to flood the entire containment structure with water. This will do considerable damage to the reactor but will prevent any further steam releases. The Japanese have now reportedly done this using seawater in at least two of the troubled reactors. These reactors will never be restarted.
None of this amounts to “another Chernobyl.” The Chernobyl reactor had two crucial design flaws. First, it used graphite (carbon) instead of water to “moderate” the neutrons, which makes possible the nuclear reaction. The graphite caught fire in April 1986 and burned for four days. Water does not catch fire.
Second, Chernobyl had no containment structure. When the graphite caught fire, it spouted a plume of radioactive smoke that spread across the globe. A containment structure would have both smothered the fire and contained the radioactivity.
If a meltdown does occur in Japan, it will be a disaster for the Tokyo Electric Power Company but not for the general public. Whatever steam releases occur will have a negligible impact.
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