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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12725646

This video is just insane.

My heart goes out to all affected by this.
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It was a big one:

Japan moved by 2.4 metres and the earth's axis shifted...

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-12/w...ke?_s=PM:WORLD
That's 7, 87 ft. We heard that it is more (14 ft). It is now closer to the US for US. It may have also shifter in altitude.

What I can't understand is that I haven't heard one nuclear expert talk on the news channels. We have a close find who is an expert, but my husband says I am to to call and ask him. Many people in Japan are relying on CNN for their news. Some of the news anchors really annoy me. Don Lemmon (very well respected) was sharing the desk with an John Vause whom I hadn't seen before. the woman they were interviewing had gone to Japan to help her ailing mother and got caught in the quake. The woman was clearly in shock and very afraid of aftershocks.
John Vause asked if she had seen any dead bodies and how many. I was shocked. This was so totally insensitive. The woman paused and then said that she had not seen any bodies. After that she went pretty quiet until Don Lemon told he r that this was her opportunity to tell the rest of the world what to do for the Japanese. Here she broke down crying but gave an impassioned plea that even though she and others were hungry and needed water to take care of those whom had lost their homes.

Throughout the interview John Vause seemed to be competing with Don Lemon- always trying to dominate- have the last word etc. Sometimes the news media really do need a lesson in respect for the people that they are doing the story on.

Perhaps this is why there is a lack of expertise on the nuclear fall out, the last thing they need is a wave of panic.
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Many people in Japan are relying on CNN for their news. Sometimes the news media really do need a lesson in respect for the people that they are doing the story on.
Most people in Japan are relying on NHK for their news and certainly not CNN which is all in English, unless you mean "most foreigners in Japan"...
Anyway, speaking of lack of respect of the news media for the people affected, I absolutely agree. I remember with the earthquake in Banda Ache, the news here in South East Asia was showing all these dead blown up bodies from the tsunami, which is absolutely unnecessary, can they not show more compassion and respect for the deceased in such horrific circumstances? In Japan such images are not even allowed on the news...

Got news from family in Japan that electricity will be ceased from 2-7pm till the end of April for now (time differs per location), to save the country's power... Fridge won't be useful either, tel landline won't work, no electrical heating, etc. all these things we normally take for granted...
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cmirsky - I agree with the beginning of your post. Could you tell us more about where you are 'coming from' re the end. The Bible or another angle?
Basically, just my own thoughts.. Not "Bibilical" per se. Although not religious by nature, I do beleive in God.

Ironically, the last statement was one I remember from the last Star Trek (TNG) episode... "All Good Things"... quoted by "Q". It was one of the very few quotes that I have always thought was so profound, (especially coming from a TV show... )
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Old 13.03.2011, 18:32
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a good news, in all those bad news.....

TOKYO — Hiromitsu Shinkawa was pushed out to sea while he clung to the roof of his home after a tsunami swept away his wife. For two days, he drifted off Japan's northeastern coast, trying to get the attention of helicopters and ships that passed by -- to no avail.
Finally, on Sunday, a Japanese military vessel spotted the 60-year-old waving a red cloth. He was about 15 kilometres (about 10 miles) offshore from the earthquake-ravaged city of Minamisoma, said Yoshiyuki Kotake, a Defence Ministry spokesman.
Shinkawa told his rescuers that the tsunami hit as he and his wife returned home to gather some belongings after Friday's quake. His wife was swept away, Kotake said.
"Several helicopters and ships passed by, but none of them noticed me," he was quoted by another defence agency spokesman, who refused to be identified by name, as saying.
Japanese troops used a small boat to pluck him from the ocean.
Military officials said Shinkawa was lucky that mild weather and relatively calm seas enabled him to stay afloat for nearly two days, the Kyodo news agency reported.
"I thought today was the last day of my life," it quoted him as saying.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/2011...-house-110313/
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Got news from family in Japan that electricity will be ceased from 2-7pm till the end of April for now (time differs per location), to save the country's power... Fridge won't be useful either, tel landline won't work, no electrical heating, etc. all these things we normally take for granted...
so sad to hear summergirl
thank you for the update.

so many things are effected - much that we dont even think about.
Lets the people of the world hold together to rebuild Japan.

Sorry that my words just dont cut it. Am thinking of you.

My parents told me this morning that experts from Japan were in Christchurch, and returned just in time to help in Japan.

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Many people in Japan are relying on CNN for their news. Some of the news anchors really annoy me. Don Lemmon (very well respected) was sharing the desk with an John Vause whom I hadn't seen before. the woman they were interviewing had gone to Japan to help her ailing mother and got caught in the quake. The woman was clearly in shock and very afraid of aftershocks.
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Many possibly do rely on CNN, but most Japanese most likely rely on NHK

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John Vause asked if she had seen any dead bodies and how many. I was shocked. This was so totally insensitive. The woman paused and then said that she had not seen any bodies. After that she went pretty quiet until Don Lemon told he r that this was her opportunity to tell the rest of the world what to do for the Japanese. Here she broke down crying but gave an impassioned plea that even though she and others were hungry and needed water to take care of those whom had lost their homes.
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Throughout the interview John Vause seemed to be competing with Don Lemon- always trying to dominate- have the last word etc.
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They apparently overdid their part, true. But apparently tried to do their job as best as they could. That this Mr Lemon pushed the lady to give a plea in favour of the victims was possibly brutal, but makes sense.



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Perhaps this is why there is a lack of expertise on the nuclear fall out, the last thing they need is a wave of panic.
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Sometimes the news media really do need a lesson in respect for the people that they are doing the story on.
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You generalize and are absolutely unfair to the media-folks ! I have now seen news reports of Swiss, German, French, British, US, Australian media and most of them not only do a good job, but most of them REALLY show deep respect for the people affected. And quite a lot of them are as shaken as everybody.

Some media folks even are travelling to Sendai right now, and even if this is their job, deserve some respect and not some generalising, unfair and undifferentiated media-bashing
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Most people in Japan are relying on NHK for their news and certainly not CNN which is all in English, unless you mean "most foreigners in Japan"...
Anyway, speaking of lack of respect of the news media for the people affected, I absolutely agree. I remember with the earthquake in Banda Ache, the news here in South East Asia was showing all these dead blown up bodies from the tsunami, which is absolutely unnecessary, can they not show more compassion and respect for the deceased in such horrific circumstances? In Japan such images are not even allowed on the news...

Got news from family in Japan that electricity will be ceased from 2-7pm till the end of April for now (time differs per location), to save the country's power... Fridge won't be useful either, tel landline won't work, no electrical heating, etc. all these things we normally take for granted...
You say that those films of the dead blown up bodies was "unnecessary". But, the directors of all TV companies around the globe ASKED for such pictures and their employees had to do their job. Quite many reporters after having transmitted their pictures, stopped reporting, some saying that they no longer could bear it. BUT had to do their job.

It is just like war-reporting. Whatever compassion and respect a war reporter feels himself he has to take the footing. The number of war-reporters and catastrophe-reporters who dropped out exactly due to this problem goes into the hundreds.

The films of the past three days out of Japan WERE terrible, absolute horror, but HAD to be done in order to provide a full reporting.
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Ok perhaps Wolli, but honestly, I really do prefer the sober, very serious, very quiet respectful approach that you find in the European media.

The reporter on the ground, in the country, showing true emotion is completely understandable.
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You say that those films of the dead blown up bodies was "unnecessary". But, the directors of all TV companies around the globe ASKED for such pictures and their employees had to do their job. Quite many reporters after having transmitted their pictures, stopped reporting, some saying that they no longer could bear it. BUT had to do their job.

It is just like war-reporting. Whatever compassion and respect a war reporter feels himself he has to take the footing. The number of war-reporters and catastrophe-reporters who dropped out exactly due to this problem goes into the hundreds.

The films of the past three days out of Japan WERE terrible, absolute horror, but HAD to be done in order to provide a full reporting.
With all due respect, photos of dead bodies aren't necessary, not really. I think photos of the extent of the damage, yes, those are informative, but I draw the line at pictures of the dead and dismembered.

It smacks of voyeurism. It is true that reporters are just doing their jobs, and giving their directors or whatever what they require, but why do directors want this? So often it is for ratings, viewership.

It borders on sensationalism, and it it's a train wreck sort of thing.....you can't look away. I would also argue that such images serve to desensitize people to the plight of others.

There are other ways to tell these stories I, believe.

This is pretty telling:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...R_HP_LO_MST_FB
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You say that those films of the dead blown up bodies was "unnecessary". But, the directors of all TV companies around the globe ASKED for such pictures and their employees had to do their job. Quite many reporters after having transmitted their pictures, stopped reporting, some saying that they no longer could bear it. BUT had to do their job.

It is just like war-reporting. Whatever compassion and respect a war reporter feels himself he has to take the footing. The number of war-reporters and catastrophe-reporters who dropped out exactly due to this problem goes into the hundreds.

The films of the past three days out of Japan WERE terrible, absolute horror, but HAD to be done in order to provide a full reporting.
I think that there is a difference between war reporting and the reporting of a natural disaster. Many war reporters such as Tim Sebastian report for very little reward, they do it to remind those back home that this is something they have the power to change. Without reporters the Vietnam war may have been a lot different. Without reporters would the US have got involved in Yugoslavia?
But this is a natural disaster there is nothing it be gained by showing or asking about dead bodies. Historically the media have a tendency to not want to show Christian white bodies. However even the news anchors have some choice. In the example that I gave of Don Lemon and John Vause, John Vause almost lost the report with his question on dead bodies. It was Don Lemon who saved the situation by giving the woman a voice and that the Don lemon question clip that was replayed of the woman crying and asking for help for the homeless.

When it comes to the nuclear disaster, then it may be of use to report death count and the effects of radiation. Already it has affected Schumer's full backing of Nuclear Power in NY. Now he is saying let's wait and see what comes out of the Japan disaster.

Some here say that the danger is being blown out of proportion, that new nuclear facilities are built to much higher safety standards, but then they are mainly Nuclear energy supporters, who want to get the US off foreign oil dependency.
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Now they got a Volcano Eruption as well.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/art...volcano-erupts

All they need now, is Godzilla.
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When it comes to the nuclear disaster, then it may be of use to report death count and the effects of radiation. Already it has affected Schumer's full backing of Nuclear Power in NY. Now he is saying let's wait and see what comes out of the Japan disaster.

Some here say that the danger is being blown out of proportion, that new nuclear facilities are built to much higher safety standards, but then they are mainly Nuclear energy supporters, who want to get the US off foreign oil dependency.
I'm sure there's going to be nuclear "spin" no matter which way you turn. One of the things that I read though, was that a lot of these plants were built to withstand quakes in the "7's" not the the "8's", so there may simply be a lot of unknowns. But i don't know if that's spin too..

This is the 4th highest quake on record, if what I recall is correct - I suppose in assessing risk, you balance the likelihood of the rare events against the cost of shoring up the middle. But as I said, could all be spin...
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To be clear, the issue is not with the Earthquake but with the Tsunami that knocked out the diesel back up generators that are used to pump the cooling water when the plant went into shutdown mode (something that happened automatically and without a problem). Obviously, they should have been on higher ground and/or better protected.

Newer generations of plants (this one is from the '70s) no longer count on pumping cooling water. They use gravity feed that will work even if there is no electricity.
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Just thought we can all be active rather than passive, so here's a couple of official donations channels to donate to Japan, remember every single $ counts at the moment:

Google
Itunes - American Red Cross
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This is becoming really disturbing, looks like the tsunami wasn't the worst of the situation
Indeed. It is simply numbing how chaos is unleashed from one single event. It demonstrates how fragile and fleeting our lives are.

Few died in the earthquake. The tsunami caused most of the property damage. Now there is a shortage of food and water, but it is the radiation that can cause the most loss of human life.

The Japanese government seems to be in denial of the gravity of the situation. They keep stating an estimate of 1,000 dead, yet over 10,000 are missing. I realize they are trying to avert panic, but should the people start dying of organ failure brought on by radiation poisoning, they will be held accountable for not being truthful. I think they ought to err on the side of caution in this situation.
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With all due respect, photos of dead bodies aren't necessary, not really. I think photos of the extent of the damage, yes, those are informative, but I draw the line at pictures of the dead and dismembered.

It smacks of voyeurism. It is true that reporters are just doing their jobs, and giving their directors or whatever what they require, but why do directors want this? So often it is for ratings, viewership.

It borders on sensationalism, and it it's a train wreck sort of thing.....you can't look away. I would also argue that such images serve to desensitize people to the plight of others.

There are other ways to tell these stories I, believe.

This is pretty telling:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...R_HP_LO_MST_FB
It IS sensationalism ! And it IS the experience of those directors that the viewership/readership/buyership JUMPS up with such photos. Was it necessary to show those films of the Tsunami with all the devastation and the clear resulting deaths ? No, it was not, but again, this is news business. Here in Zurich today, the Blick with a photo-coverage of several pages was the big success on the market !
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Ok perhaps Wolli, but honestly, I really do prefer the sober, very serious, very quiet respectful approach that you find in the European media.

The reporter on the ground, in the country, showing true emotion is completely understandable.
You mean "European media" like "Blick", "Bild" etc
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It IS sensationalism ! And it IS the experience of those directors that the viewership/readership/buyership JUMPS up with such photos. Was it necessary to show those films of the Tsunami with all the devastation and the clear resulting deaths ? No, it was not, but again, this is news business. Here in Zurich today, the Blick with a photo-coverage of several pages was the big success on the market !
Yeah, except that there are different views on the purpose of the news media. If you think the media just exist to make money, then you're right. On the other hand, journalists used to operate under the idea that the news exists to inform the public, rather than merely to sell papers. I know it is naive of me to think like this, but what appears in the media really can impact the way people think. And I know that news media have to be profitable, but I don't think it's all about selling papers or whatever, IMHO.
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I think that there is a difference between war reporting and the reporting of a natural disaster. Many war reporters such as Tim Sebastian report for very little reward, they do it to remind those back home that this is something they have the power to change. Without reporters the Vietnam war may have been a lot different. Without reporters would the US have got involved in Yugoslavia?
But this is a natural disaster there is nothing it be gained by showing or asking about dead bodies. Historically the media have a tendency to not want to show Christian white bodies. However even the news anchors have some choice. In the example that I gave of Don Lemon and John Vause, John Vause almost lost the report with his question on dead bodies. It was Don Lemon who saved the situation by giving the woman a voice and that the Don lemon question clip that was replayed of the woman crying and asking for help for the homeless.

When it comes to the nuclear disaster, then it may be of use to report death count and the effects of radiation. Already it has affected Schumer's full backing of Nuclear Power in NY. Now he is saying let's wait and see what comes out of the Japan disaster.

Some here say that the danger is being blown out of proportion, that new nuclear facilities are built to much higher safety standards, but then they are mainly Nuclear energy supporters, who want to get the US off foreign oil dependency.
Most war-reporters do their job just normally which means fairly low paid if the risks are considered. That this John Vause failed professionally is obvious. His employer will not criticize him for lack of respect but for lack of professionalism. This Don Lemon apparently reacted in a highly professional way.

I don't know about the "historical" thing of "Christian White bodies". The dead bodies of earthquakes in Italy for example WERE "Christian White bodies" and where photographed/filmed and shown.
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