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Old 18.03.2011, 14:38
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

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It wasn't a bash, it was an honest question!


I mean, it could be that Canada is cold enough and underdeveloped enough only the skilled, motivated and harmlessly insane want to go there. I'm not saying it is but it strikes me as a plausible alternative explanation which should at least be considered.

Anyway I have never had a cup of coffee in Canada I could not have gotten in 1720s YorkshSwitzerland for three times the price.
This applies to me I do not know how it work now days ,I will do some searching fore you .I came in 1965 and then it was simple and easy. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp

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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

The Canadian system is indeed points based. One of my friends brother went to Canada to complete his Masters studies, stayed there after completion and is now in Senior Management in a FMCG company.

He was given his Canadian passport in June 2010 after 8 years total stay there.

Apparently PHDs and Doctoral candidates get even more points.
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Old 18.03.2011, 16:33
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

Better to get the information from the official source:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp

Recognize that Canada is a country with an active immigration policy. They are looking for some 300'000 people per year (they do not hit this level every year).

Immigration comes under a number of categories such as family reunification (i.e. you live in Canada and want to bring mom and dad over) and professional people that Canada says they need (certain skill categories).

You should get more info about the points system from this indicated website.

If you are interested, recognize that it is a fairly long approval process that I hear is up to 3 years at the moment for Professionals. It does also cost money (pay as you go) to apply with no guarantee that you will be accepted.

To gain Canadian citizenship you need to then be in the country three years NET (so if you travel outside the country you need to replace this time before you can apply). There is a citizenship test as well.

Also, the Canadian embassy in Paris handles requests from CH. Quebec has their own immigration service if you might be interested in going to Quebec and speak French etc.
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Old 18.03.2011, 22:03
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

The son of a cousin of mine, and his family, have become Canadian citizens and the husband, who travelled abroad a lot for work, had to keep very careful check that he had the necessary amounts of time in Canada within a certainy time limit - cannot remember the details but it reminded me rather of the rulings here.

Another guy I knew wanted to do a post doc or something in Canada. He was told by one office that he needed some permit or other. He got in touch with the people who could give it to him and they said, sure they could give it to him but he didn't need it so they weren't wasting their time doing the paperwork. He went back to the first office and they said he DID need it and the second office said 'no way'... he isn't the sort who throws in the towel quickly but in the end he saw he wasn't getting anywhere. He gave up and went to England to do it instead. I don't know whose fault it all was, but it reminded me of folk trying to sort out permits here too.

This is probably not what MN was talking about but it shows that their administration has square cog wheels too.
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Old 18.03.2011, 22:18
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

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The son of a cousin of mine, and his family, have become Canadian citizens and the husband, who travelled abroad a lot for work, had to keep very careful check that he had the necessary amounts of time in Canada within a certainy time limit - cannot remember the details but it reminded me rather of the rulings here.

Another guy I knew wanted to do a post doc or something in Canada. He was told by one office that he needed some permit or other. He got in touch with the people who could give it to him and they said, sure they could give it to him but he didn't need it so they weren' wasting their time doing the paperwork. He went back to the first office and they said he DID need it and the second office said 'no way'... he isn't the sort who throws in the towel quickly but in the end he saw he wasn't getting anywhere. He gave up and went to England to do it instead. I don't know whose fault it all was, but it reminded me of folk trying to sort out permits here too.

This is probably not what MN was talking about but it shows that their administration has square cog wheels too.
You can`t leave Canada for more then 6 Month otherwise you have to reapply for a other immigration visa,but this does not apply if you are canadian citizen.The rest is bureaucracy just like any other place in the world
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Old 18.03.2011, 22:24
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

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I think, probably like most countries, that the average Canadian doesn't know much about the system unless they went through it to become a Canadian. I mean, why would you know? However, one thing I would say is that I'm sure it's just like Switzerland in one sense, every time you speak with someone, it will cost you at least $100. It is a tax based society after all.
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Old 18.03.2011, 22:41
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

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I came to Canada as a 11 year old child back in the 1990s. My mother was a doctor who received her degree in Eastern Europe and had been practicing in Africa (my father's country) for over a decade. I remember she received points for being a Doctor so I do not believe that we had a hard time getting landed immigrant status. However that is where the easiness ended. Once we came to Canada she had to pretty much start anew. She had to write exams and also become a medical student all over again with individuals half her age. It took her over 10 years to become a doctor. Many of her friends who were immigrants and doctors gave up and ended up doing something not even related to the medical field. I remember one individual taking his life (he had family with children) because he kept failing the exams which were apparently very hard. I am not in any way ripping Canada (I consider it my home) - however I remember hearing around me how the government said they wanted doctors (which there are shortages) and other professions such as engineers but once the people came the degrees mean nothing at. all. Quite a few of my mom's friends went to the United States because it was easier to become a doctor there - although they had to go and work in smaller cities and not places like New York.

My troubles were not even close to my mother however the school system tried to put me into English as a Second language system - Even though I came from an African country, which was British colony and English was the official language and what I spoke and wrote in class. They kept trying to push me in the class because the English must have been different.
This is because it is run by the CMAS (Canadian medical assosiation) It is the same with Lawyers

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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

My husband immigrated to Canada (before we were married - I am Canadian, so that would have made it even easier). He is French and English speaking, and wanted to move to Quebec so it was quite a simple process. He already had a job offer, and the company just wrote some letter of intent, etc. and he had a visa in no time at all (a couple of weeks). As long as a company can't find a local with the required skills, they can usually get someone in apparently. It worked in his case, anyhow. The points came into the picture later, when he wanted to apply for permanent residency. That process usual takes a year and lots of paperwork etc. However, my husband has a golden horseshoe you-know-where, and happened to be overheard at a restaurant saying he wanted to do this process. The man at the table next to him had connections and offered help. It only took 6 months. We moved here almost immediately after and his residency is still valid. It remains valid for 5 years, as long as 3 years are spent in Canada. However, if you are living abroad with a Canadian (like me!) then it remains valid for the full 5 years regardless of time spent in Canada. Why? Wherever I live is considered to be Canadian soil.
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

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Has anyone actually been through Canadian immigration?
I'm going through it now... I don't know if I'll get the PR (Permanent Residence) that I'm wanting but it's taking a bloody long time. Submitted my original paper work back in December 2009. By the way, the UK and Australia have the point system. UK for non-EU/EFTA that is.
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

A 2004 PDF from the Aussie Govt. comparing the Canadian and Aussie systems:

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Will Australia’s Better Outcomes Continue?

There are a number of factors to take into account when considering whether Australia’s superior labour market outcomes, relative to Canada, will continue.

Of particular relevance is the growing global demand for skilled migrants. The phenomena of falling fertility rates and aging populations (resulting in amongst other things increasing dependency ratios) is not confined to Australia and Canada and the number of countries attempting to solve this growing problem by seeking to attract young skilled migrants will continue to grow.

Traditional migrant countries, including Australia and Canada, will find the ‘market’ for the skilled migrants becoming competitive.

Both Australia and Canada have changed their immigration policy to encourage more skilled immigration, and at the same time the emphasis on family reunion immigration has lessened. There is no doubt that
changes in Australia’s policies have been instrumental in improving the labour market success of migrants.

It should be expected however that this pattern will be seen in more countries as they try to address the same problems of aging populations, etc. There is not patent protection for immigration policies, and no doubt a
number of countries are looking closely to see what Australia is doing right that they can emulate.

Given this, it cannot be taken for granted that Australia’s superior labour market outcomes will continue indefinitely. For example, Ottawa’s recent implementation of its Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
(28 June 2002) nominated the two most important criteria for choosing migrants as education and language proficiency.

PT 38 TP Migrants are to be tested and an inadequate level of language proficiency will result in them being discouraged from applying until their proficiency is improved. If in the future, as Canada seeks to address the poor labour market outcomes for migrants, it adopts this approach more generally the factors that contribute to the greater labour market success of migrants to Australia will diminish.

The predominant influences on labour market success in Australia appear to be related to migrants’ qualifications and their assessment, and official language proficiency. Thus emphasis on continuing improvements in ways of attracting migrants with these attributes, and attention to maintaining a positive approach to qualification assessment, should help maintain labour market success for migrants to Australia.

As competition for qualified migrants intensifies, avenues will need to be sought that contribute to or supplement current practices and policies.
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Re: Canadian immigration system - is it really all that and a bag of chips?

I am American but I grew up near Canada. We used to cross almost each day in summer to play hockey against the canuck neighbors in the pre-9/11 world. I loved Canada and half of the kids/friends I grew up with came from there.

I never realized how close we were to our northern neighbors until they pulled their loonies and toonies and spelled neighbor neighbooor i mean neighbour lol
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