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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Oh wow.
Now that would be interesting indeed. Very good !!!
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Old 27.03.2011, 21:13
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

seems the Syrians have stopped the emergency law that was in place for 50 years; astounding progress.
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Old 27.03.2011, 21:25
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seems the Syrians have stopped the emergency law that was in place for 50 years; astounding progress.
According to CNN - the process started, but no definite date was given. could be anytime between tomorrow and 2060.

A despot without emergency laws is like Zurich without public transport.
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Ah well. Interesting. One thing is for sure. Such kind of systematic uproars don't fall just from the sky without any serious preparations.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Ah well. Interesting. One thing is for sure. Such kind of systematic uproars don't fall just from the sky without any serious preparations.
The Arab regimes in the ME prepared this for many years - failing their populations in almost everything: Education, employment, health, peace, freedom. Sometimes enough is enough.

For example: Syria suffers from a water crisis - for which the government is largely responsible. Maybe the thirst was stronger than the fear.
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Old 28.03.2011, 10:36
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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The Arab regimes in the ME prepared this for many years - failing their populations in almost everything: Education, employment, health, peace, freedom. Sometimes enough is enough.

For example: Syria suffers from a water crisis - for which the government is largely responsible. Maybe the thirst was stronger than the fear.
True, true; sad story.
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For example: Syria suffers from a water crisis - for which the government is largely responsible. Maybe the thirst was stronger than the fear.
“Water is as hard to get for us as gold.”

Not many a government knows nor puts much effort in handling that "gold" correctly for its population.
This, I will not ever understand why this is like that. Never.
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Old 28.03.2011, 19:24
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I don't know much about Syria other than control of the mass media.
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Old 28.03.2011, 19:28
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I don't know much about Syria other than control of the mass media.
As good a reason as any to post in a Syria thread
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Old 28.03.2011, 19:50
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As good a reason as any to post in a Syria thread
Well I used to be friends with a beautiful woman whose brother was said to be the head of the press. She married a UK graduate from a Gulf State who I think is probably now part of the Govt. They were so in love, but always arguing about freedom of the press. I wonder how they are getting on now. But you are right I am making inane comments to lift the boredom of studying. Its just interesting sometimes to consider the personal friendships that take place amongst nations. Some members of governments are interrelated. It must he quite difficult at times, like the Royal British family and their relations with the czars before the family was executed. Or the royal family change of the name to Windsor from the German. I suppose everyone has relatives that they have to avoid at sometime

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Old 28.03.2011, 22:54
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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According to CNN - the process started, but no definite date was given. could be anytime between tomorrow and 2060.

A despot without emergency laws is like Zurich without public transport.
Dr Assad is not a despot, as crazy as this may sound, he is the liberal head of a despotic regime. A difference ? YES, there IS a difference. I hope for the Syrians that it will pay. Strangely enough, the demonstrators against him help him against his inside-adversaries.
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Old 28.03.2011, 23:05
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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The Arab regimes in the ME prepared this for many years - failing their populations in almost everything: Education, employment, health, peace, freedom. Sometimes enough is enough.

For example: Syria suffers from a water crisis - for which the government is largely responsible. Maybe the thirst was stronger than the fear.
Let's be a bit more realistic :
Health ? Quite a lot of progress around
Education ? Lots of progress
Employment ? Sorry, I know the good quality of Israeli wines ! but this is rubbish. If you look at the increase of population in almost all Arab countries, you only can be wondering that the jobless-rate is hovering only around 20 to 30 % and not around 70% !
Peace ? There was and is peace in most places. And in case you miss the long hoped for Israeli-Syrian peace-treaty, the long-standing Syrian-Israeli ceasefire-agreement is possibly one of the more stable peace-agreements on earth
Freedom ? YES, this is where the bunch failed miserably ! And even middle-class people from countries between Casa and Muscat visited Europe over all these years and have seen the difference

AND, exactly the progress I mentioned made the rebeliion(s) actually possible. Interesting may be that the whole thing started in Tunisia and Egypt, countries not exactly rich, but countries where a "civil society" gradually developed. It so is no surprise that bloodshed erupted in a country where such a "civil society" did not (yet) develop, Libya.
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Old 28.03.2011, 23:20
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Dr Assad is not a despot, as crazy as this may sound, he is the liberal head of a despotic regime. A difference ? YES, there IS a difference. I hope for the Syrians that it will pay. Strangely enough, the demonstrators against him help him against his inside-adversaries.
I dont agree with you - calling Assad "a liberal head of a despotic regime" is provably false, hence not crazy but wrong.
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Old 29.03.2011, 09:53
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

I think both Pashosh and Wollishofener are wrong and right....yes I know it's a great statement. But I assume "reality" is somewhere in the middle between the 2 positions.

The notion of "enlightened despotism" exists and there a few examples in the middle-east. I would take as example Bourguiba from Tunisia who forced his country to secular regime and gave rights to women. He was also a visionary leader when it came to israel-palestine conflict: his Jericho speech of 1965 requesting a 2 states solution is well-known. That's why the revolution started in Tunisia given the degree of development of the country.
On the othe hand the "new generation" of desposts are mainly driven by deep corruption and therefore they hijacked the development of their people and country after the impulse given by the previous generation. The Mubarak, Assad Junior, military junt in Algeria, kadhaffi etc... are plagues for their own countries.
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It's over Syrian Govt.Resigns

Buut.I guess it's in this thread title, Egypt has taught us- it ain't over till it's over.
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Old 29.03.2011, 15:15
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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It's over Syrian Govt.Resigns

Buut.I guess it's in this thread title, Egypt has taught us- it ain't over till it's over.
But the President has not yet resigned?
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Old 29.03.2011, 15:30
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But the President has not yet resigned?
Right! I don't really get this discussion about Whether Assad is a liberal or not. I can understand the benefits that a socailist system can bring. But a socialist system that incorporates nepotism, total control of the press and

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Now that's not really socialist in my book, I think it's more in line with Religious Totalitarianism

But then how is Kuwait so different? So Hopefully Kuwait (where similar to Iraq, a Sunni minority rule a Shiite majority) is next.
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Old 29.03.2011, 16:38
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But the President has not yet resigned?
Why should he resign ? he is the beloved liberal leader of a country which is progressing nicely (ask Wollishofener).
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Old 29.03.2011, 21:03
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I dont agree with you - calling Assad "a liberal head of a despotic regime" is provably false, hence not crazy but wrong.
Dr Assad has done liberalisations in regard to computers, internet, eyeglasses (his field of course), etc. So that he IS "liberal". He however totally failed in regard to democratisation. You know the reasons for that just as well as I do, but reasons according to law are no excuse. And to believe that people would be content with the Prime Minister and his ministers resigning, but the State President carrying on and the monopolistic unity party going on as before, this in fact is a bit below of what I might have expected of this highly intelligent man.

I might recommend him a private airplane Damascus-London to board, as I think that the "Assad-Show" is over
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It's over Syrian Govt.Resigns

Buut.I guess it's in this thread title, Egypt has taught us- it ain't over till it's over.
No, nothing is over. "Pashosh" in some ways got proven right in so far as the trick just to have the prime minister and his ministers resigning, but the State President and the monopolistic party staying on, is not exactly what might be expected of a leader with "democratic insights" !!

In view of all news, the situation is worse than it was at any stage in Egypt in the past 12 months
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