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Old 12.04.2015, 14:50
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Wow - a statement ! What an effort, it must have be so hard to write a statement and publish it online ! almost as hard as selling an IKEA bed online.

Where are the huge demos ? the boycotts ? the boats carrying help ? perhaps resigning from a government post or two ?

What about a concert to collect funds ? maybe Sting will join ?
You didnt actually bother to read any of it did you.
The red cross has had more than 50 volunteers killed in Syria.

Does that suffice for your continually shifting, despicable standards?
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Old 12.04.2015, 20:34
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

what's despicable is that last summer we saw plenty of demonstrations, teary eyes TV pieces about 2000 dead in Gaza (many of whom Islamist terrorists), but 300,000 dead in Syria alone don't get even 10% of the coverage.

The wikipedia page about the demonstrations has many references to demos supporting Assad and demos against the U.S, which so far is not actively taking part, but no demonstrations against Iran or Qatar, which do.

Kosti : when Red cross workers are killed in Syria there are no headlines. Why ?
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what's despicable is that last summer we saw plenty of demonstrations, teary eyes TV pieces about 2000 dead in Gaza (many of whom Islamist terrorists), but 300,000 dead in Syria alone don't get even 10% of the coverage.

The wikipedia page about the demonstrations has many references to demos supporting Assad and demos against the U.S, which so far is not actively taking part, but no demonstrations against Iran or Qatar, which do.

Kosti : when Red cross workers are killed in Syria there are no headlines. Why ?
What's truly despicable is trying to distract from one crime by pointing to another one. As if that made the murders any less horrific.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

There was US intention to help this situation, but it was once again accused of Imperialism and some vague notion of stealing oil, although there is hardly any oil in Syria. So there you have it, what its like without US 'meddling'. I suppose for some this is preferable to having a Starbuck's on its street corners. Yeah, Starbuck's coffee sucks anyway, right?
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Old 13.04.2015, 19:53
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What's truly despicable is trying to distract from one crime by pointing to another one. As if that made the murders any less horrific.
Compare:
1. A democratic state fighting Islamist terrorists using their own population as cover (Hospitals, schools, churches used as weapons cache and launch sites). Democratic state is condemned, especially in the Antisemitic muslim world & "Anti Zionist" left.

2. A dictatorship fighting Islamists. both sides don't refrain from killing civilians, raping, behading, starving & almost every other war crime imaginable. practically media silence. "Anti Zionist" left ditto. Muslim world very vaguely condmens, mostly across Sunni/Shia lines.

repeat 2 - Libya, Yemen, Iraq.
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Compare:
1. A democratic state fighting Islamist terrorists using their own population as cover (Hospitals, schools, churches used as weapons cache and launch sites). Democratic state is condemned, especially in the Antisemitic muslim world & "Anti Zionist" left.

2. A dictatorship fighting Islamists. both sides don't refrain from killing civilians, raping, behading, starving & almost every other war crime imaginable. practically media silence. "Anti Zionist" left ditto. Muslim world very vaguely condmens, mostly across Sunni/Shia lines.

repeat 2 - Libya, Yemen, Iraq.
Repeating the same old lies about Palestinians using innocents as shields doesn't make them any truer. Where's the proof?
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Old 13.04.2015, 23:39
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Repeating the same old lies about Palestinians using innocents as shields doesn't make them any truer. Where's the proof?
From the November 2014 Amnesty International report on the Gaza conflict (similar statements in other AI reports);
"In this decades-old conflict, both sides have shown scant regard for civilians. Palestinian armed groups have fired indiscriminate rockets into Israel, stored weapons in schools, and launched rockets near civilian homes. So far there is no indication that violations by either side have brought their people safety or security."
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Compare:
1. A democratic state fighting Islamist terrorists using their own population as cover (Hospitals, schools, churches used as weapons cache and launch sites). Democratic state is condemned, especially in the Antisemitic muslim world & "Anti Zionist" left.

2. A dictatorship fighting Islamists. both sides don't refrain from killing civilians, raping, behading, starving & almost every other war crime imaginable. practically media silence. "Anti Zionist" left ditto. Muslim world very vaguely condmens, mostly across Sunni/Shia lines.

repeat 2 - Libya, Yemen, Iraq.

there are NO Shi'ites in Libya
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Old 14.09.2015, 22:16
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Putin is placing more army & navy in Syria. Perhaps he could sell it as setting "Safe havens" for civilians.
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Old 14.09.2015, 22:29
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Putin is placing more army & navy in Syria. Perhaps he could sell it as setting "Safe havens" for civilians.

No, he is just protecting local Russians
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Old 21.09.2015, 00:31
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Now it is claimed Putin is installing in Syria surface to air missiles and interceptor fighter jets (SU 27 rather than the ground attack Su 25s).
Who is the target and why, these are useless against ISIS?

Or is he planning an anti-Assad coup, today Crimea, tomorrow Syria?
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Old 21.09.2015, 06:35
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

There is also Russian infantry fighting in Syria. Putin stands by Assad and sends a clear message: he is not afraid of using force to get what he wants. Syria can get much messier.
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Old 23.09.2015, 13:17
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Putin wants to regain legitimacy. The US has been quite ineffective. I see Netanyahu is talking to Putin. Any chance Russia might bring stability? They need to get that conflict down to 2 sides and establish a detente to begin with.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Syria can't be solved without involving Russia. It's like 2 years ago, the chemical weapons.
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Old 23.09.2015, 21:50
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

I tend to agree - if Russia's interests are kept (Mediterranean harbour, friendly regime) maybe a solution can be foundro Russian allawite state, a kurdish state in the north, Sunni & druze states center and South.

If Obama and Putin can pull this off, they would gain a lot of respect and provide a solution to the refugee problem.
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But I assume the extremists will try to entangle the Russians in a long drawn out quagmire through attrition.
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But I assume the extremists will try to entangle the Russians in a long drawn out quagmire through attrition.
Maybe the Russians have improved their game after their Afghanistan experience, or maybe not.
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Maybe the Russians have improved their game after their Afghanistan experience, or maybe not.

Maybe the Americans will arm the rebels with Stingers, maybe not..
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Old 24.09.2015, 00:36
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Maybe the Americans will arm the rebels with Stingers, maybe not..
Maybe like last time the rebels will also be supported by the Gulf States, Pakistan and China.
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Maybe the Americans will arm the rebels with Stingers, maybe not..
Just about all the arms and money the US has dropped in the area has ended up in extremists hands. They had a program to train "moderates", but has so far produced less than 100 soldiers. The reason is that there are practically no moderates there. I think its time for them to fold the operations.

The story of the Syrian civil war can be paraphrased as "How a multipolar world attritions US hegemony". Even France wanted to wittle down US hegemony, so there you have the results. Horrible that it would cost so many lives and destroy two countries.

The US should just continue to sit back and start playing the role of Chairman of the Board instead of CEO. Other countries can try to deal with it. It really should just focus on Humanitarian aid.
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