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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

The Russians and Chinese are entering Syria. War over!
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Old 25.09.2015, 11:35
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

or preamble to one
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or preamble to one
Americans will back down now. Without the support of USA to ISIS, they will be gone in half a day.

Yesterday reports say ISIS fighters are already giving themselves up in Syria after seeing the Russian jets flying low. Bombs will be coming very soon.
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The Russians and Chinese are entering Syria. War over!
Strange seems to be only Russian newspapers reporting this Chinese involvement?
If they really are then maybe they are looking to takeover one of the ports on the Med.
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Strange seems to be only Russian newspapers reporting this Chinese involvement?
If they really are then maybe they are looking to takeover one of the ports on the Med.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...en-route-syria
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Old 26.09.2015, 00:25
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over


But that is a blog; not a newspaper
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Old 26.09.2015, 13:35
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But that is a blog; not a newspaper
The Chinese won't join the war in Syria - the Chinese policy is consistent in avoiding getting involved in conflict which do not have a direct impact on China.

The logistics are against it as well - keeping troops supplied will be very difficult.
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Maybe like last time the rebels will also be supported by the Gulf States, Pakistan and China.

The rebels, I mean the FSA, ARE supported by the Gulf States
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Just by the thought of the Russians coming in, ISIS terrorists will need new underpants. A lot of them are already on their way to Europe as refugees.

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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Idefix, what's your source?
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

A very interesting panel discussion between Bashar Al Assad and the Russian media.

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Just by the thought of the Russians coming in, ISIS terrorists will need new underpants. A lot of them are already on their way to Europe as refugees.
I think you are forgetting that these Jihadists want to be martys so they will welcome the Russians.

Anyway in his press conference following the Obama talks, Putin ruled out the notion of Russian soldiers engaging in ground operations in Syria.
So what will Russia do against ISIS that is different or better than the existing air attacks by US, UK, France, Jordan et al?
Note; Russia has not yet flown any anti ISIS air attacks and all the aircraft they have shipped to Syria are fighter interceptors not ground attack fighters

BTW, any news about your claim the Chinese will be joining in this mess?
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Old 30.09.2015, 11:49
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The Chinese won't join the war in Syria - the Chinese policy is consistent in avoiding getting involved in conflict which do not have a direct impact on China.

The logistics are against it as well - keeping troops supplied will be very difficult.
Have the Chinese discovered a new source of energy?

Difficult means nothing to politicians who tell the military what to do. wars are somewhat difficult to fight and win.

Why send Russian made military supplies to China and then back to the middle east?

Oil is important to every major state in the world. You loose your supply and you are screwed.
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The rebels, I mean the FSA, ARE supported by the Gulf States
Who supports the gulf states?

The fairy godmother and not USA?

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Old 30.09.2015, 11:57
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

What is Russia's interest in a stabilzed Syria? Doesn't a destabilised Syria benefit Russia more? e.g., elevates oil prices and elevates Russia's importance.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

USA's puppet is already making way for getting out of Syria:

UK: Maybe ok for Assad to stay in 'transitional period'

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/...ists/amanpour/

Russian parliament approves military force in Syria

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...oved-live.html
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USA's puppet is already making way for getting out of Syria:

UK: Maybe ok for Assad to stay in 'transitional period'

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/...ists/amanpour/

Russian parliament approves military force in Syria

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...oved-live.html


Kremlin says vote refers to use of air force and does not mean Russian ground forces will be involved in conflict
Therefore I repeat my question; So what will Russia do against ISIS that is different or better than the existing air attacks by US, UK, France, Jordan et al?
Note; Russia has not yet flown any anti ISIS air attacks which is not surprising as they shipped fighter interceptors to Syria, not ground attack aircraft; Probably just another Russian army error
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Old 30.09.2015, 12:11
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Kremlin says vote refers to use of air force and does not mean Russian ground forces will be involved in conflict
Therefore I repeat my question; So what will Russia do against ISIS that is different or better than the existing air attacks by US, UK, France, Jordan et al?
Note; Russia has not yet flown any anti ISIS air attacks which is not surprising as they shipped fighter interceptors to Syria, not ground attack aircraft; Probably just another Russian army error
I suppose it is only for ensuring Assad doesn't fall. As for whether they can resolve the conflict. A) i can't imagine Putin being too eager to take a thorn out of the West's side without fully milking the opportunity. B) Still not sure how a stabilised Syria benefits Russia.

Therefore, I think its foolish to think of Russia's engagement as a solution to the crisis.

As for how the UK or US agree or not agree to the matter, frankly, they don't have much of a choice. They've been so debunked in this process that they have very little leadership and credibility left. I think the only thing Putin offers here is a way for them to save themselves further embarrassment, and that's about all.
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Old 30.09.2015, 12:55
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I suppose it is only for ensuring Assad doesn't fall. As for whether they can resolve the conflict. A) i can't imagine Putin being too eager to take a thorn out of the West's side without fully milking the opportunity. B) Still not sure how a stabilised Syria benefits Russia.

Therefore, I think its foolish to think of Russia's engagement as a solution to the crisis.

As for how the UK or US agree or not agree to the matter, frankly, they don't have much of a choice. They've been so debunked in this process that they have very little leadership and credibility left. I think the only thing Putin offers here is a way for them to save themselves further embarrassment, and that's about all.

About "Therefore, I think its foolish to think of Russia's engagement as a solution to the crisis."


Unless Putin has some cunning scheme I do not see how he will bring a solution and then at the end he will look stupid.


In addition to ISIS it is claimed there are up to 1,000 armed groups fighting against Assad; list of main groups here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rian_Civil_War


I do not see Putin's 30 aircraft plus helicopters prevailing against such huge numbers; or even making much of a dent


So what is he planning?
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Old 30.09.2015, 13:08
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So what is he planning?
Like I said, I believe he simply wants to ensure Assad does not fall. Anything beyond that is tactically negotiable. Putin is not afraid of looking stupid. He's not. He already has the West by the balls. I'm sure he'll look for opportunities to gain more.

Simply naive and wishful to think that Putin will be coming into Syria to save the day, free of charge, and the refugees come home. I believe he's positioning for a more valuable proposition point.

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