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LOL, Russia is really milking the PR on their Syrian bombing campaign, a national Russian TV channel is promoting it in their weather reports "Perfect weather for bombing Syria"
Sure. Russian PR learnt it's lesson well.

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Bad weather hampers NATO airstrikes

Poor weather has hampered NATO airstrikes against Yugoslavia during the last 24 hours, but some missions were carried out nonetheless, Gen. Sir Charles Guthrie, chief of British defense, said Tuesday.

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9905/25/kosovo.02/

Weather Clears, NATO Rains Bombs

While alliance officials continued to provide few details about targets being struck, they said the heavy cloud cover that had forced cancellation of many previously planned bombing runs has lifted, enabling NATO aircraft to accelerate the pace of their attacks.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...sovo040699.htm


CRISIS IN YUGOSLAVIA | DISPATCH FROM KOSOVO

Break in Clouds Can Give Allies Clear View of Targets

Yugoslavia: If weekend skies brighten as expected, Milosevic's forces won't be able to hide from NATO.


http://articles.latimes.com/1999/apr/03/news/mn-23848
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Looking at the map they must have flown the missiles over Iran and Iraq; very trusting of those countries considering this was the first time these missiles were used in a combat situation!!
Probably a "sales demo" to Iran. As for Iraq, whats a few more missiles or rockets flying here or there?

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Russia would be foolish to maintain an oversized footprint for a prolonged period of time. They might just run sweep to degrade, then return to a small footprint base.
Russia is doing air-strikes and (Assad's) Syrian army is doing the ground attacks. Kind of a Blitzkreig. Probably a good tactical move. How effective it will be, can they really make an advance, etc. we'll have to wait and see.
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Probably a "sales demo" to Iran. As for Iraq, whats a few more missiles or rockets flying here or there?


Russia is doing air-strikes and (Assad's) Syrian army is doing the ground attacks. Kind of a Blitzkreig. Probably a good tactical move. How effective it will be, can they really make an advance, etc. we'll have to wait and see.
About "How effective it will be?" Good question! Syria's army is only a fraction of the size it was when this whole mess started and how motivated they are is also a good question. Whenever they capture some territory I assume the rebels will disappear into the population so the army will have to leave some sort of garrison behind to protect their supply lines which means the size of their force is ever declining.
There are some reports of Russian ground troops being involved but will there be enough to make a significant difference?

About "Probably a "sales demo" to Iran" True but then they will have to be nice to the Ukraine to get them to make some more engines
Anyway I thought selling long range cruise missiles is forbidden by SALT or some such agreement?
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Iranian general gets what he asks for .
Russian missiles land in Iran.

Not a good day for Teheran.
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Old 09.10.2015, 22:45
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Black comedy at its best


"ISIS have taken advantage and launched a new offensive in Aleppo province following Russia's decision to target Free Syrian army rebels and Al-Qaeda affiliated groups.
The ISIS jihadi group released a statement confirming they had taken over the 'strategic' infantry academy close to Aleppo's northern industrial area.
US jets have reportedly been told to keep 20 miles from the Russian jets to avoid getting caught up in clashes, providing ISIS with the chance to make rapid gains without fear of coalition strikes."

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"A top Iranian general has been killed in an attack by ISIS militants near the Syrian city of Aleppo as Russian airstrikes continue to target rebel groups in the surrounding provinces."

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-Aleppo.html


or here
http://news.yahoo.com/revolutionary-...090946807.html


or here
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0S30J220151009


I posted long ago that it was brave of Iran to allow untried Russian cruise missiles over its territory; not surprising some crashed in Iran (Luckily only 20%)
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Watch what they do, not what they say. So they bomb something or someone, yet ISIS advances. Yup, ahuh. Poor Syrians. this can be a very long one.
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Watch what they do, not what they say. So they bomb something or someone, yet ISIS advances. Yup, ahuh. Poor Syrians. this can be a very long one.
Who is financing ISIS?
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Who is financing ISIS?
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Who is financing ISIS?
Sunnis, oil, black market, taxing the people, theft, black market, anything for a buck, and have you heard about Obama's strategy of financing the moderates? $500 million to train them? It produced about 100 soldiers. That is about how many "moderates" there are in Syria?

The "moderates" get supplies from the US and hand it over to the extremists.
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If the missiles crashed without exploding then it was a nice gift for Iran's missile developers.
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If the missiles crashed without exploding then it was a nice gift for Iran's missile developers.
Maybe it was a sales demo to prove accuracy. See if you can hit that Volkswagon over there Vlad!
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About "Russia's defense ministry said Monday that incident was the result of bad weather conditions in the area" I view this as positive; if they had said "We fly where we want to - keep out of our way" then the situation would be very bad

About "pissing Turkey off"; looking at it from the other direction Turkey is running out of friends.

Turkey's geographic situation, is one that straddle both West and East. Erdogan had a vision of Turkey whose influence stretched from the Aegean to the Great Wall of China.

This has pretty well fallen apart. Obviously he no longer has good relations with Assad/Syria. Also his support for the Moslem Brotherhood destroyed his relations with Egypt after Sisi took over. The Gulf States are supporting Egypt which means they are not likely to have warm relationships with Turkey.

He broke off his good relations with Israel to score points in Moslem lands but now Israel has formed a good working relationship with Greece; which limits Erdogan's possibilities to form a relationship with Greece.

His attacks on the Kurds has caused difficulties to remain close to the regime in Iraq which has a large Kurdish population and anyway his Erdogan’s Sunni-oriented messages did not work well in Shi’ite-majority countries such as Iran and Iraq.

After being turned away from the EU and increasingly more isolated in the Middle East, Turkey has recently turned to Russia. However his strong criticism of Russia's Syria policy and these aircraft incidents have not helped.

And Turkey's friendship with Russia continues....

From yesterday's newspapers;
Russian state-owned energy giant Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller has announced that they refused Ankara's demand for an additional 3 billion cubic-meters (bcm) of natural gas transfers through the Blue Stream pipeline.
During his official visit to Turkey in December 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin had announced that Turkey and Russia agreed on the mentioned 3 bcm transfer. Miller's announcement came after eleven months, following President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's criticism of Russian fighter jet's violating Turkish airspace.

This was not the only announcement made by Gazprom's CEO this week. Miller also announced that they have reduced the designed capacity of the Turkish Stream project, which aims to transport Russian natural gas to Europe through Turkey, by half. Originally, the capacity of the natural gas pipeline project was designated to be 63 bcm per year, but the capacity has now been decreased to almost half the original amount to 32 bcm per year.
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Watch what they do, not what they say. So they bomb something or someone, yet ISIS advances. Yup, ahuh. Poor Syrians. this can be a very long one.

as in all wars everybody advances, ISIS also retreats while the Kurds expand




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So Syria is a situation where you see the US military disengage and let go, with training wheels. Russia has had to step up. Iraq is the same. So imagine this cycle repeat and over again with Afghanistan and Pakistan. Russia would be extremely, extremely busy while the US goes on vacation or semi-retirement.

You have to always be careful about over playing your hand.
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The European Aviation Safety Agency said it issued a safety information bulletin to airlines on Oct. 9 in response to the Russian missile strikes.
“Before reaching Syria, such missiles are necessarily crossing the airspace above Caspian Sea, Iran and Iraq, below flight routes which are used by commercial transport aeroplanes,” said the organization, which is based in Cologne, Germany.
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Great, Russia is starting another "Holy War" in the Middle East, LOL, like there isn't enough of it over there



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Great, Russia is starting another "Holy War" in the Middle East, LOL, like there isn't enough of it over there



https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Intl/status/652909953431269378/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw


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Great, Russia is starting another "Holy War" in the Middle East, LOL, like there isn't enough of it over there
Ironically, Russia is the only one willing to identify the need to protect persecuted Christians in the region. The US and Western Countries have totally disavowed any such responsibility so as to not alienate Muslim "partners". So We are now hearing more pro-Russian chatter amongst the religious right in the US than pro-Obama chatter. Weird how the world turned upset down.
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Watch what they do, not what they say. So they bomb something or someone, yet ISIS advances. Yup, ahuh. Poor Syrians. this can be a very long one.

Some advances




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