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Ironically, Russia is the only one willing to identify the need to protect persecuted Christians in the region..

I wish it were in Russia's agenda but nothing they say can be taken at face value.
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I wish it were in Russia's agenda but nothing they say can be taken at face value.
Quite true. Yet I think this particular point is better than not saying anything at all. Ironically, it has scored Putin some points with conservatives in the US. People who would normally be paranoid of Russia. i think even Trump lauded his decision to act.

Mind you, this is all relative to Obama's inaction.
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I think that it is a good strategy to deal with the rebels first as they are the ones causing hardships on the Syrian people. Once they are dealt with, ISIS will be a walk in the park.

The great news is that the alliance between Assad, Russia, Hezbollah and Iran is finally bringing some stability to the region. Not a great day for the Zionists.
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The Rebels have moved from demonstrations in 2011 to standard Arab terrorist methods, ISIS are causing a lot more trouble (especially for infidels).
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I think that it is a good strategy to deal with the rebels first as they are the ones causing hardships on the Syrian people. Once they are dealt with, ISIS will be a walk in the park.

The great news is that the alliance between Assad, Russia, Hezbollah and Iran is finally bringing some stability to the region. Not a great day for the Zionists.

About "a good strategy to deal with the rebels first " Although this is a completely opposite strategy than the one Putin announced; still we are used to that?


About "ISIS will be a walk in the park" Oh really!


The rebels are Zionists??


By stability you mean ignoring the territorial gains and associated murders by ISIS in Syria since the Russians started their campaign.
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About "a good strategy to deal with the rebels first " Although this is a completely opposite strategy than the one Putin announced; still we are used to that?
It doesn't look anything like what was announced which I am happy with. ISIS is not the big picture.


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About "ISIS will be a walk in the park" Oh really!
Sure ISIS is good at press but have you really looked at what territory they are controlling? They hold no important cities or terrain. There's not much out there which is worth sparing resources to defend. The terrain is also nothing like Afghanistan where they have places to hide. Not many large population centers either that they can escape to. As soon as an organized force decides to take care of them, it will be over quickly.


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The rebels are Zionists??
You think so??

The Zionists have been pretty happy the last couple of years with so many occupied neighbors. The sensible solution of propping up Assad again, with help from Hezbollah, Iran and Putin will hopefully get them back on track at trying to be better neighbors.


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By stability you mean ignoring the territorial gains and associated murders by ISIS in Syria since the Russians started their campaign.
Again, by pushing the balance back towards the stability that Syria once had under Assad can only be a good thing. Do any of the other options look better? By no means am I implying that Assad's regime is optimal but there really are no other sensible alternatives.

ISIS is surely annoying but that can wait.
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Except that was his announced intention, and even the Russian Orthodox Church blessed his mission as a holy war because of it. He may have some explaining to do. Although I had suspected that from the beginning; watch what they do, not what they say.

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It doesn't look anything like what was announced which I am happy with. ISIS is not the big picture.




Sure ISIS is good at press but have you really looked at what territory they are controlling? They hold no important cities or terrain. There's not much out there which is worth sparing resources to defend. The terrain is also nothing like Afghanistan where they have places to hide. Not many large population centers either that they can escape to. As soon as an organized force decides to take care of them, it will be over quickly.



You think so??

The Zionists have been pretty happy the last couple of years with so many occupied neighbors. The sensible solution of propping up Assad again, with help from Hezbollah, Iran and Putin will hopefully get them back on track at trying to be better neighbors.




Again, by pushing the balance back towards the stability that Syria once had under Assad can only be a good thing. Do any of the other options look better? By no means am I implying that Assad's regime is optimal but there really are no other sensible alternatives.

ISIS is surely annoying but that can wait.
About "They hold no important cities or terrain." Apart from the fact the regime no longer holds any oil fields; most of the oil fields are now held by ISIS. ISIS also holds major cross country routes and many towns including Raqqa, Deir al-Zour, Palmyra, Abu Kamal, most of Aleppo!
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About "They hold no important cities or terrain." Apart from the fact the regime no longer holds any oil fields; most of the oil fields are now held by ISIS. ISIS also holds major cross country routes and many towns including Raqqa, Deir al-Zour, Palmyra, Abu Kamal, most of Aleppo!
More importantly, they hold the land Syrian refugees in Germany need to return to.

You see, I think Putin, in a way, is messing with Europe with this refugee crisis. He basically controls the spigot of the flow now. Not sure if he is doing it solely to irritate, gain concessions on Ukraine and sanctions, or have any kind of plan. I assume he will not let go of something the EU wants without getting something BIG in return for it. I suspected this is one of his chess pieces.
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The Rebels have moved from demonstrations in 2011 to standard Arab terrorist methods, ISIS are causing a lot more trouble (especially for infidels).

ISIS has never been part of the Syrian rebel movement
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More importantly, they hold the land Syrian refugees in Germany need to return to.

You see, I think Putin, in a way, is messing with Europe with this refugee crisis. He basically controls the spigot of the flow now. Not sure if he is doing it solely to irritate, gain concessions on Ukraine and sanctions, or have any kind of plan. I assume he will not let go of something the EU wants without getting something BIG in return for it. I suspected this is one of his chess pieces.

Why not look at what Mr Putin needs and wants ? He needs his bases in Latakia and Tartous and for this he needs his Allawite Partner, Dr Assad with his family stronghold in Latakia, He în this needed Sevastopol and the Crimea


Dr Assad needs Latakia and Tartous and Aleppo but not really the outback
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More importantly, they hold the land Syrian refugees in Germany need to return to.

You see, I think Putin, in a way, is messing with Europe with this refugee crisis. He basically controls the spigot of the flow now. Not sure if he is doing it solely to irritate, gain concessions on Ukraine and sanctions, or have any kind of plan. I assume he will not let go of something the EU wants without getting something BIG in return for it. I suspected this is one of his chess pieces.

Syria and Russia are gradually taking back the Levantine coastline and Hama and Homs and Aleppo, BUT these cities are destroyed to an extent which need two decades to repair.


But Western Europe should NOT forget Ankara in its considerations. The Turkish Army has moved into NON-Kurdish Iraq. In Exchange for an Independent united Kurdistan, Turkey may demand Mosul
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Why not look at what Mr Putin needs and wants ? He needs his bases in Latakia and Tartous and for this he needs his Allawite Partner, Dr Assad with his family stronghold in Latakia, He în this needed Sevastopol and the Crimea

Dr Assad needs Latakia and Tartous and Aleppo but not really the outback

I think with a man like Putin, what he needs is as much as he can get, and a little more if possible.
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I wish it were in Russia's agenda but nothing they say can be taken at face value.
As if that applied to any government.
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Can anyone explain why the US continues to drop ammunition to Syrian rebels when they have already admitted their plans have failed, and they have neither strategies nor plans on how to deal with this from here on?
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/po...ons/index.html

Without an actual strategy or direction, what is the use of prolonging and exacerbating the violence? Why don't they instead try to get the Syrian parties to the table?

What really is the value of ousting Assad? And even if they were able to, in what state would it leave that country in?

Lets not get silly with unfounded conspiracy theories. Just, what the hell are they really doing?
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Can anyone explain why the US continues to drop ammunition to Syrian rebels when they have already admitted their plans have failed, and they have neither strategies nor plans on how to deal with this from here on?
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/po...ons/index.html

Without an actual strategy or direction, what is the use of prolonging and exacerbating the violence? Why don't they instead try to get the Syrian parties to the table?

What really is the value of ousting Assad? And even if they were able to, in what state would it leave that country in?

Lets not get silly with unfounded conspiracy theories. Just, what the hell are they really doing?

Maybe they simply do not want the rebels to be slaughtered when they run out of ammo
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Maybe they simply do not want the rebels to be slaughtered when they run out of ammo
Do you mean that sarcastically? Sending ammo is one way to ensure them getting killed. Or is that what you mean?

Shouldn't they starve the region of weapons and ammo, and get them to a cease-fire if they are serious? Or is there no such thing as a cease-fire with these guys?
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Do you mean that sarcastically? Sending ammo is one way to ensure them getting killed. Or is that what you mean?

Shouldn't they starve the region of weapons and ammo, and get them to a cease-fire if they are serious? Or is there no such thing as a cease-fire with these guys?

Great idea; so how do we starve the Russians of weapons and ammo?
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Can anyone explain why the US continues to drop ammunition to Syrian rebels when they have already admitted their plans have failed, and they have neither strategies nor plans on how to deal with this from here on?
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/po...ons/index.html

Without an actual strategy or direction, what is the use of prolonging and exacerbating the violence? Why don't they instead try to get the Syrian parties to the table?

What really is the value of ousting Assad? And even if they were able to, in what state would it leave that country in?

Lets not get silly with unfounded conspiracy theories. Just, what the hell are they really doing?
To me it is obvious that they are just trying to save face. They are finally admitting, though not openly, that they were foolish in thinking that they could solve this by opposing Assad. These airdrops are in the Northeast to fight against ISIS, not Assad. For whatever reason, many people think they are the real threat to stability in Syria. These airdrops will appease the casual viewers in the West.

The US knows that what Russia is doing by helping Assad is going to show a dramatic turnaround in the civil war and stability returning to Western Syria (the part that matters). I predict a sharp decrease in the anti-Assad rhetoric coming from the US and an increase in the anti-ISIS battle from US forces. Russia will take the credit for rescuing Syria and the US will be able to say, "Yeah, but we defeated ISIS". Eventhough ISIS is the much easier foe to defeat.
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To me it is obvious that they are just trying to save face. They are finally admitting, though not openly, that they were foolish in thinking that they could solve this by opposing Assad. These airdrops are in the Northeast to fight against ISIS, not Assad. For whatever reason, many people think they are the real threat to stability in Syria. These airdrops will appease the casual viewers in the West.

The US knows that what Russia is doing by helping Assad is going to show a dramatic turnaround in the civil war and stability returning to Western Syria (the part that matters). I predict a sharp decrease in the anti-Assad rhetoric coming from the US and an increase in the anti-ISIS battle from US forces. Russia will take the credit for rescuing Syria and the US will be able to say, "Yeah, but we defeated ISIS". Eventhough ISIS is the much easier foe to defeat.


About "the US will be able to say, "Yeah, but we defeated ISIS". Even though ISIS is the much easier foe to defeat."
Why would the US want to defeat the rebels that the US themselves support; you do not make sense?
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