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Old 30.11.2015, 17:29
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Just imagine if this results in Vlad throwing his weight behind the Kurds...
Could be!

Recently the Kurds stopped before the area west of the Euphrates River, which Turkey calls a red line. It is claimed that Turkey warned the Kurds that if they moved forward and captured any towns in this area thenTurkey would send in troops and tanks.

Now in the last few days Vlad has started bombing this area
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Old 30.11.2015, 18:34
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Could be!

Recently the Kurds stopped before the area west of the Euphrates River, which Turkey calls a red line. It is claimed that Turkey warned the Kurds that if they moved forward and captured any towns in this area thenTurkey would send in troops and tanks.

Now in the last few days Vlad has started bombing this area
If a Kurdish state emerges from this mess it might salvage something.

Israel refrained from doing an Erdogan on a Russian plane.

I'm not sure that bombing ISIS will help the situation unless there is a followup on who will control their area afterwards.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

UK votes to authorise airstrikes in Syria

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Old 03.12.2015, 08:48
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UK votes to authorise airstrikes in Syria
Supported by 66 Labour MPs; not a happy ship the Labour party
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Supported by 66 Labour MPs; not a happy ship the Labour party
Can you even call it a pretty when close to 1 in 3 members does their own thing?
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Old 03.12.2015, 10:20
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Can you even call it a pretty when close to 1 in 3 members does their own thing?
I wonder what David Cameron aims to do with these terrorist sympathisers?

John Baron (Conservative, Basildon and Billericay)
David Davis (Conservative, Haltemprice and Howden)
Gordon Henderson (Conservative, Sittingbourne and Sheppey)
Philip Hollobone (Conservative, Kettering)
Julian Lewis (Conservative, New Forest East)
Stephen McPartland (Conservative, Stevenage)
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Old 03.12.2015, 10:38
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At what point does a "refugee" become an "economic migrant"?
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Old 03.12.2015, 10:39
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Meanwhile........ISIS is moving its forces to Libya in Sirte (a few hundred miles from Europe's shoreline) where it controls already some oil fields and largest power station.
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Meanwhile........ISIS is moving its forces to Libya in Sirte (a few hundred miles from Europe's shoreline) where it controls already some oil fields and largest power station.
The once great 'Indy' has become a joke of a newspaper. Poor quality reporting, factual errors, mispellings etc..

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Isis preparing Lybia 'retreat zone' as coalition air strikes pound group’s strongholds in Iraq and Syria
I guess much of this is down to it now being owned by an oligarch, and all those with an ounce of self respect... leaving
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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At what point does a "refugee" become an "economic migrant"?
Economic migrants can be refugees too. If you're desperately poor, you're a refugee. Poverty is the biggest cause of death in the world.
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I was thinking more along lines of " fleeing war"
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Economic migrants can be refugees too. If you're desperately poor, you're a refugee. Poverty is the biggest cause of death in the world.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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I guess much of this is down to it now being owned by an oligarch, and all those with an ounce of self respect... leaving
fast forward: ISIS in Libya connects to Boko Haram in Nigeria, AQMI and AnsarElDin in Mali, their friends in Sudan, destabilizes neighbour Tunisia
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Great rundown, somewhat related to this thread, about Stop the War and the hard left in the UK (from a Labour member)
https://medium.com/@KateVotesLabour/...b75#.tl57piiyw
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Old 08.12.2015, 20:52
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

According to today's Guardian "Number of foreign fighters in Iraq and Syria doubles in a year, report finds" with a surprisingly high number from ex-Soviet republics. Source here!

Quote "between 27,000 and 31,000 foreign fighters from 86 countries have travelled to Iraq and Syria"

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As the Islamic State changes its focus from consolidating control of territory to attacking its foreign enemies in their own homelands, or their interests elsewhere, the profile of its foreign recruits will also change,”
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Old 09.12.2015, 00:02
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

For how long do they stay?

Just for arguments sake let's assume they stay for one month on average, require zero training and no travel time, how big of an army does that make out of those 30k?

What real-world parameter values would be appropriate, i.e. what's the army size in the real world?
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Old 09.12.2015, 00:20
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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For how long do they stay?

Just for arguments sake let's assume they stay for one month on average, require zero training and no travel time, how big of an army does that make out of those 30k?

What real-world parameter values would be appropriate, i.e. what's the army size in the real world?

About "For how long do they stay?" Mostly until they die! ISIS seems to use the foreigners as cannon fodder and keep the well trained locals in the background until they see where the action is and the spots to be avoided.


There are estimates that up to 40'000 foreign fighters were killed but nobody really knows; here is a report from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights -
http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/10/ab...an-revolution/
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Old 11.12.2015, 15:35
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MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. The area of influence of the Islamic State terrorist group (outlawed in Russia) is expanding, militants have seized about 70% of Syria’s territory, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Friday.
"The Islamic State area of influence is expanding. Militants have seized about 70% of the Syrian territory. The number of terrorists amounts to about 60,000 people," he said.
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President Vladimir Putin said on Friday Russia supports the opposition Free Syrian Army, providing it with air support, arms and ammunition in joint operations with Syrian troops against Islamist militants.
His statement appeared to be the first time Moscow said it was actually supporting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's opponents in the fight against Islamic State forces. Putin said last month the Russian air force had hit several "terrorist" targets provided by the Free Syrian Army.

Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-putin-idUSKBN0TU1B020151211#y3TwfuO4gqmoKd9Z.99
Despite Russia's military involvement in Syria, it seems Assad's troops are losing ground to ISIS. And Russia seems to now be cooperating with the Free Syrian Army, who last I checked, were fighting against Assad, and hence Russia.
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Old 21.12.2015, 18:07
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Despite Russia's military involvement in Syria, it seems Assad's troops are losing ground to ISIS. And Russia seems to now be cooperating with the Free Syrian Army, who last I checked, were fighting against Assad, and hence Russia.
Article from today's Guardian here which I like because it repeats what I have been saying for some time.
"When Russia launched an air campaign to support Bashar al-Assad, it was banking on a ground force of Syrian troops to finish what its warplanes started.

However, more than 12 weeks later, Syria’s army and the large numbers of Shia militias that back it have made few meaningful gains on the ground. Meanwhile, Moscow’s jets have added a new layer of carnage, reportedly killing at least 600 Syrian citizens, including 70 in Idlib on Sunday.
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Russia is now sinking in the swamp.

The Western coalition have been bombing Syria for a year without changing anything much; Russia have been there for a quarter year with a similar lack of progress.
Putin is talking about sending in more forces but like the US with the Iraq army it is hard to believe Putin can turn the Syrian army into an effective fighting force.
It is packed with conscripts whose main goal is to stay alive and have little enthusiasm to fight against their own countrymen.
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Old 21.12.2015, 18:25
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

I don't understand how Syria can lose ground to ISIS when they have much more soldiers, and a lot more hardware. Unless they strategically entrench their positions, and allow ISIS have desolate areas. I suspect it is intentional.

Syria's military strength, according to Global Firepower:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/count...untry_id=syria

So if Syria doesn't have true resolve to defeat ISIS, why should anyone else? Something does not makes sense here. It seems contrived to draw in foreigners.
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