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Turkey strikes Kurd, regime forces in Syria, mulls ground attack
http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-saudi-c...101537595.html
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Old 14.02.2016, 13:07
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

The US “Plan B” for Syria and the Threat of World War

By Bill Van Auken

"The Syrian people are the victims of a US-orchestrated war that is driven by the global strategy of American imperialism to reverse its economic decline through the use or threat of military force. Washington sought regime change in Syria as a means to an end: the weakening of the two principal allies of Damascus, Russia and Iran, and the reassertion of a Western stranglehold on the vast energy resources of the Middle East."
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Old 14.02.2016, 13:10
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Turkey strikes Kurd, regime forces in Syria, mulls ground attack
http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-saudi-c...101537595.html
Shelling over the Syrian border, nobody in Turkey has yet tested Russian resolve by actually crossing the border
It is claimed tanks were doing the shelling; range probably 2 to 5 Km depending on the tank model and gun.
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Old 14.02.2016, 13:27
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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The US “Plan B” for Syria and the Threat of World War

By Bill Van Auken

"The Syrian people are the victims of a US-orchestrated war that is driven by the global strategy of American imperialism to reverse its economic decline through the use or threat of military force. Washington sought regime change in Syria as a means to an end: the weakening of the two principal allies of Damascus, Russia and Iran, and the reassertion of a Western stranglehold on the vast energy resources of the Middle East."
I am not so sure that the US are interested in a Western stranglehold on the vast energy resources of the Middle East.
What could be the objective?
  • US is now self sufficient in oil production so does not require ME oil.
  • To deprive Russia? Not possible when Russia is one of the largest Oil countries.
  • Anyway Syria is not a major oil producer so would not make any big difference one way or another!
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Old 14.02.2016, 17:48
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Shelling over the Syrian border, nobody in Turkey has yet tested Russian resolve by actually crossing the border
It is claimed tanks were doing the shelling; range probably 2 to 5 Km depending on the tank model and gun.
I can't wait to see that (from my computer, not as a bystander) happening.
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Old 14.02.2016, 19:04
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I am not so sure that the US are interested in a Western stranglehold on the vast energy resources of the Middle East.

What could be the objective?


  • US is now self sufficient in oil production so does not require ME oil.
  • To deprive Russia? Not possible when Russia is one of the largest Oil countries.
  • Anyway Syria is not a major oil producer so would not make any big difference one way or another!

Neither Europe nor Asia is self sufficient. One gets a lot of leverage by controlling ME. And don't forget Syria borders Israel.
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Old 14.02.2016, 19:29
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Putting aside conspiracy ranting, the true tragedy of Syria is that the Arab world relies on brute, very brute, force to rule. In the Syrian war the losers are massacred (standard practice in the Arab world). If Assad will retake all of Syria, more refugees will flee
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...If Assad will retake all of Syria, more refugees will flee
I doubt that very much, and see no empirical basis for considering it a plausible assessment from any angle. The flood of refugees only began after the US/UK/Israeli-backed "opposition" had taken expanding control of the region, slaughtering non-combatants as they went. The elimination of IS would only restore the former stability, not increase the instability behind the current stream of refugees.

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Old 14.02.2016, 20:47
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

It's all a deadly farce...

US, France urge Turkey to stop shelling Kurds in northern Syria

Damascus confirms its army targeted by Turkish shelling, complains to UN
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Old 14.02.2016, 20:51
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Neither Europe nor Asia is self sufficient. One gets a lot of leverage by controlling ME. And don't forget Syria borders Israel.
"One gets a lot of leverage by controlling ME."

So this is the reason that oil prices are so historically low? To limit oil supplies to Europe and Asia

"don't forget Syria borders Israel" like Israel has borders with Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories as well as Syria?
And your point is
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

How many innocent civilians died in this conflict ?

Is it not allot more then have died in the Israel conflict ?

Where are all the boycott cries and Flotilas ?

me thinks sometimes people dont use there brains to think !
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Indeed, indeed, sigh!
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Old 14.02.2016, 21:31
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Syria conflict: Turkey presses on with assault on Kurds

A Turkish assault on positions claimed by Kurdish fighters in northern Syria has continued into a second day.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35572747
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"One gets a lot of leverage by controlling ME."



So this is the reason that oil prices are so historically low? To limit oil supplies to Europe and Asia



"don't forget Syria borders Israel" like Israel has borders with Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories as well as Syria?

And your point is

The last time I heard the oil prices were not driven down by US shale oil but by Saudi Arabia.
The time I checked Russia is just oil price dependent like an Arab country.
And so it is not Russia who might challenge global supremacy of US, but China. And China imports oil.

Israel borders a few countries, but only its Syrian border is an armistice line, it is Syria who lets Iran supply Hezbollah of Lebanon, and it is Iran who is supplying Hezbollah and helping the regime, and is hostile towards Israel, and Israel is a die-hard ally of US and vice-versa.
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I doubt that very much, and see no empirical basis for considering it a plausible assessment from any angle. The flood of refugees only began after the US/UK/Israeli-backed "opposition" had taken expanding control of the region, slaughtering non-combatants as they went. The elimination of IS would only restore the former stability, not increase the instability behind the current stream of refugees.

My advice: Find another drug or (better yet) do without.
After the Civil War started Syrians were able to leave the country in huge numbers because the complex and expensive exit visas could be ignored.

If by "restore the former stability" you mean return to the "exit visa" rules then yes fewer refugees would be leaving!
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...the true tragedy of Syria is that the Arab world relies on brute, very brute, force to rule...
The Guardian:
Far from learning the lessons of past conflict, the ['Israeli'] military seem ever more willing to resort to brute force

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...In the Syrian war the losers are massacred (standard practice in the Arab world)...
Wikipedia:
List of ['Israeli'] massacres in the Palestinian territories

Hmmm. The "Arab world" and the "'Israeli' world" share some very noteworthy (and well-documented) common ground.

EDIT: 'Israel's' Excessive Force Kills Two More Children

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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Turkey (NATO member) has started shelling Kurds in Northern Syria. Apparently, the sole aim of this is to stop the Kurds liberating northern Syria from ISIS.

The US (also NATO member) have told Turkey to stop this.

Meanwhile, Russia is pounding anything non Assad into dust. Whilst maintaining an aggressive stance against Turkey.

Saudi, Qatar and other Arab nations are making moves towards a ground assault in Syria.

Iran are waiting in the wings for any excuse to bomb Arabs. If there is a ground assault, and if Assad call's for air support from Iran to protect Syria's sovereignty this could kick off big style.

This could be the start of a Shia/Sunni war.
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This could be the start of a Shia/Sunni war.
Continuation of the war.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Shia-Sunni war but with the Kurds on the Shia side.
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Old 15.02.2016, 17:32
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

The Kurds are on the Kurdish side - fighting both Shia (Assad-iran) and Sunni (ISIS, Turkey)
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