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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Assad is on life support from Russia, Iran and Hizballah. The rebels are supported by Turkey, sunni Arab states and the U. S. Some rebels are supported by Muslims in europe. There are, however, no ground/air support for the rebels. Only Assad is getting ground and air support from his backers.

If there was no outside involvement in the war, Assad would have probably lost the war, as the majority of Syrians belong to different tribes than his and have little interest in his survival.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

There would be no war in the first place, if it wasn't for the involvement of the US, Turkey and the Saudis.
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Old 16.05.2016, 14:59
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There would be no war in the first place, if it wasn't for the involvement of the US, Turkey and the Saudis.
The west could not stand by and watch Assad murder his citizens by using poisonous gas & barrel bombing them from helicopters.

If Assad had behaved half as well as the regular Arab leaders, there would have been less support for the Syrian rebels, and ISIS might not be as popular.

In other Arab countries the opposition is not killed by bombing and gassing, they are rounded up and imprisoned. Which is more acceptable to most decent people.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Yeah right. The west could not stand Saddam having Weapons of Mass Destruction and so they invaded Iraq. Did they find any of these WMD? Of course not. Who provided the information about the very existence of WMD in Iraq: CIA and MI6. Can they be considered credible after such a fiasco in a case so similar? I don't think so.

Apart from this, Iraq and Syria were models of democracy and tolerance in comparison with Gulf states (Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE). For example atheists face the capital punishment in these countries. Christians, and even other Shia Muslims, are discriminated too. No free elections take place and they support ISIS and the spread of Islamist extremism. But after all Islamist extremism was sponsored by the US in the first place. Remember when Osama was a Fighter of Freedom?

If the west wanted to be consistent with its verbal declaratios it should boycott the Gulf's dictatorship's first and foremost. Stop selling them weaponry would be a very good first step towards the right direction.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

ISIS claim five suicide attacks and two car bombs hit Jableh and Tartous, these Syrian coastal cities have been fairly quiet until now.
Tartous contains the only Russian naval base in the Med.
These cities are in the "Alawi" area of Syria who are Assad supporters and in the same tribe, consequently little rebel support here.

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And what`s the status on the Golan Hights yet ??
either say something nice or nothing at all..
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either say something nice or nothing at all..
fu@k off...

what are you selling, anyway?
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fu@k off...

what are you selling, anyway?
Very convincing argument

Do you have some sort of position that you can put together in a few logical sentences?
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Old 24.05.2016, 21:05
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Some new claims;
"US intelligence company Stratfor says satellite images suggest four helicopters and 20 lorries destroyed at T4 base.
An entire Russian helicopter unit based in Syria was wiped out in an Islamic State attack, satellite images appear to suggest.

The attack on 14 May targeted a strategically significant airbase in central Syria used by Russian forces, and again suggests Isis forces are trying to operate outside territory held by the terror group to undermine the regime of Bashar al-Assad."

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If this is true it would support claims that Russia did little against ISIS before withdrawing most of their forces.

The Russian position is that these are just pictures of old bomb craters but it seems unlikely that Stratfor would make claims that could be so easily disproved!

Post 443 in this thread, I quote; "Something tells me that the Russian attacks will be way more effective than the Western ones
Bye bye ISIS"

Post 448, quote "Yeah, dream on...

Russians are there just to shore up Assad against the opposition. ISIS is going to be there for a long time, at least until someone puts up the 50k+ troops required to effectively deal with them.
Russia is nowhere near that kind of commitment"
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Old 09.07.2016, 22:27
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Russian Government confirms helicopter shot down over Homs!
Believed to be by an anti-tank missile?

Never ending story again, Putin either needs to really pull out his troops or send in 50,000 new ones.

Otherwise he will just get stuck in this mess for the foreseeable future.
Tough for the trapped civilians and the foot soldiers of all sides!
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Assad is on life support from Russia, Iran and Hizballah. The rebels are supported by Turkey, sunni Arab states and the U. S. Some rebels are supported by Muslims in europe. There are, however, no ground/air support for the rebels. Only Assad is getting ground and air support from his backers.

If there was no outside involvement in the war, Assad would have probably lost the war, as the majority of Syrians belong to different tribes than his and have little interest in his survival.


if you add
Allawites = 12%
other Shi'ites = 15%
Ismailites = 10%
Christians = 20%
together
--
or the officers
and the Socialsts (incl Ba'ath)


Dr Assad has majorities all along
and Russia Needs its naval bases in Tartous and Latakia
for its Meterranean Fleet


---


Dr Assad after having become president, started a program of liberalisations


what was the Response of
USA
UK
KSA
?
they started to Support rebels incl ISIS

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Russian Government confirms helicopter shot down over Homs!
Believed to be by an anti-tank missile?

Never ending story again, Putin either needs to really pull out his troops or send in 50,000 new ones.

Otherwise he will just get stuck in this mess for the foreseeable future.
Tough for the trapped civilians and the foot soldiers of all sides!


Putin cannot pull out


Here the Russian fleets
1-- Arctc Fleet
2-- Baltic Fleet
3-- Black Sea Fleet
4-- Caspian Sea Fleet
5-- Pacific Fleet
ANY pull out would be a shrinking to pre-Katharina-II Levels




and


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharina_II._(Russland)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharina_II._(Russland)
what you declare a MESS started in Stettin in 1729 -- a Russian pull out from These Arenas would be observed with interest by
Turkey and India and China and Japan




here new Turkey as SultanRecep would love it https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._empire_de.svg

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Old 22.07.2016, 10:32
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Shocking and awful, and proof if ever any was needed that there are no good and bad guys in a civil war.

US-Funded “Moderate Rebels” Film Themselves Beheading a Child
Matt Agorist
July 20, 2016

In a testament to the ill-c0nceivied, immoral, and outright vile war in Syria pushed by the US government, a 12-year-old boy was beheaded by ‘friendly forces.’ The gruesome and shocking murder was filmed and carried out by members of Nour al-Din al-Zinki — a group of ‘moderate rebels’ aided, funded, and armed by the United States.



The Nour al-Din al-Zinki movement began in 2011 during the Syrian civil war and grew to be a powerful anti-Assad group with the help of the US. The group also reportedly fought against the Islamic State. However, as the video shows, their crimes against humanity are no different than the terrorist regime.

The video surfaced on Tuesday and illustrates the sick reality created by US foreign policy. The first video shows five men posing with the frightened child in the back of a truck. Later, one of the men is seen cutting off the boy’s head.

The incident is reported to have taken place in Handarat, north of Aleppo, where heavy violence has been prominent recently.

The men in the first video say the child is a fighter from Liwa al-Quds (the Jerusalem Brigade), a Palestinian pro-government militia operating in the Aleppo area.

Liwa al-Quds is a pro-Syrian government Palestinian paramilitary faction made up of the Palestinians who have been driven out of their homes in the Handarat Camp. They are not part of ISIS and only fight to regain their homes.

However, according to the Liwa al-Quds, they said the boy, identified as Abdullah Issa, was just an innocent 12-year-old from a poor refugee family who lived in a rebel-held area of Aleppo.

Earlier this month, Amnesty International released a report detailing the horrid abuses of the Nour al-Din al-Zinki Movement. The group, who’s received everything from anti-tank missiles to cash from the US, stands accused of unspeakable human rights abuses, including abductions and torture — and now, publicly removing the heads of children.

Judging from the boy’s appearance of ragged clothing and abrasions on his body, it appears that he was impoverished and possibly tortured before he was murdered.



The second disturbing video shows a man behead the child using a small knife, after the child is laid laid down on the trunk with his hands cuffed behind his back.

With the Allahuakbar shout, the executioner holds high the child’s head then puts it down on his back.

The video’s release prompted a response by the State Department on Wednesday. And, only after the world became enraged did the US decry the murder.

“If we can prove indeed what happened and this group [al-Zinki] was involved in it, it would give us pause about any assistance or frankly any further involvement”, U.S. official Mark Toner told reporters at a press briefing today.

“I can’t take what these consequences would be, but this certainly would give a pause and we’ll look at any affiliation or cooperation with this group,” he reiterated.

Members of the Nour al-Din al-Zinki Movement responded by saying the torturing and beheading of an innocent child was “an individual error.”

News of this beheading came on the same day that US coalition forces bombed the village in Manbij’s northern Hazawneh quarter in Syria, killing dozens of innocent people, many of whom were children.

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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

DO NOT watch that video unless you really want to screw up your day.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Russia did the right thing - providing a way out from Aleppo, but Aleppo residents don't trust Russia & Assad (for good reasons).

As usual in the Arab world - no mercy is shown to the losers.

The U.N doesn't come out of this looking good either - instead of monitoring the safe passage it's chose finger pointing.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Vladimir is gonna kick some asses for this ...

Russian helicopter shot down in Syria
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36939137
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Vladimir is gonna kick some asses for this ...

Russian helicopter shot down in Syria
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36939137
Not the first one to be shot down; I suppose people will slowly improve their skills?
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Not the first one to be shot down; I suppose people will slowly improve their skills?
Syria is looking increasingly like Afghanistan for Russia. Actually, also for the rest of the world. Syria after Assad will be a dangerous place.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Stories of a major rebel counter attack to free Aleppo!

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based organisation that monitors the conflict, described the campaign as the largest military offensive launched by the rebels against government forces in years.

Opposition activists in Aleppo said rebel supporters burned thousands of rubber tyres in advance of the offensive in an attempt to obscure troop movements and limit the visibility of Syrian and Russian warplanes patrolling the skies. Videos posted online showed vast plumes of smoke enveloping the city, which was once the country’s commercial capital.

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Syria is looking increasingly like Afghanistan for Russia. Actually, also for the rest of the world. Syria after Assad will be a dangerous place.

is Afghanistan on the Medierranean ?
what SEAport does Afghanistan have ?
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