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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

A US presidential candidate: "What is Aleppo?"
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Old 09.09.2016, 13:50
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A US presidential candidate: "What is Aleppo?"
He no know what is Aleppo, but he had a reasonable answer about Syria - leave it for the Russians. That is pretty much Obama's policy.
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Old 10.09.2016, 23:07
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Yet another agreemnet between the U.S and Russia about Syria.As things stand looks like Russia will keep propping up Assad - the U.S dropped the requirement of removing him.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Situation now getting very complicated.
The Turks invaded Syria on the pretext of fighting ISIS but actually are now fighting the Kurds.
Kurds have succeded in killing Turkish soldiers

Both side are supported by the US and using US weapons

Sooner or later the US will have to pick sides

Source (worth reading)

Positive point, this should allow some refugees to go home

Turkey is now disregarding the Von-der-Goltz----Mustafa-Kemal-Line and up for expsnsion into the Green Crescent -- a truly historic move
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

New documentary coming out tomorrow about the honorable White Helmets:



and another trailer:


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Old 20.09.2016, 11:12
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Interesting comparison:
Western allies bombed the Syrian army - security council ememrgency meeting called.
Russia/Syria bombed UN convoy - no meeting called.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Interesting comparison:
Western allies bombed the Syrian army - security council ememrgency meeting called.
Russia/Syria bombed UN convoy - no meeting called.

Western allies bombed the Syrian army - Mistake
Russia/Syria bomb anybody - War Crime
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Bombing armed people, possibly in civilian cloths, in a location where ISIS is and Syrian army wasn't known to be, when there is no military gain and will eaken the cease fire the U.S pushed for - could very well be a mistake.

Bombing a marked U.N convoy, whose route was coordinated with the Syrian army (and hence with the Russian), delivirng aid to areas under rebel control - very likely a war crime. similar to the near constant bombing of indiscrimnate bombing of hospitals in rebel held areas.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Bombing armed people, possibly in civilian cloths, in a location where ISIS is and Syrian army wasn't known to be, when there is no military gain and will eaken the cease fire the U.S pushed for - could very well be a mistake.
LOL. Title of your linked CNN source: "US builds working theory on cause of Syrian airstrike"

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Bombing a marked U.N convoy, whose route was coordinated with the Syrian army (and hence with the Russian), delivirng aid to areas under rebel control - very likely a war crime. similar to the near constant bombing of indiscrimnate bombing of hospitals in rebel held areas.
Do you work for Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN? It wasn't a UN convoy. There is no evidence that this was an air strike; Most likely a mortar attack by the rebels. Only evidence again comes from the "White Helmets".
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LOL. Title of your linked CNN source: "US builds working theory on cause of Syrian airstrike"
That's the U.S position at the moment, you may accept or reject. but it makes sense: armed people in civilian clothing in military formation ? legitimate target.


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Do you work for Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN? It wasn't a UN convoy. There is no evidence that this was an air strike; Most likely a mortar attack by the rebels. Only evidence again comes from the "White Helmets".
It was a U.N convoy, the U.N confirmed it - "The convoy had received proper permits, and all warring parties - including Russia and the US - had been notified, a UN spokesman said". even the white helmet's twitter page has videos of it.
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Old 20.09.2016, 14:17
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Western allies bombed the Syrian army - They admit it!
Russia/Syria bomb anybody - They deny it!
Fixed that for you
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Old 20.09.2016, 14:50
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

In any case, any attempt to claim any moral high ground here is adding insult to injury at this point. This does not even look like a Syrian civil war anymore. It is now a computer game between the US and Russia with real people on the ground.

They need to move this out into the desert where they can go at each other all they want. In the meantime, they (EVERYBODY) really needs to leave the civilians alone finally.
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Old 20.09.2016, 14:59
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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In any case, any attempt to claim any moral high ground here is adding insult to injury at this point. This does not even look like a Syrian civil war anymore. It is now a computer game between the US and Russia with real people on the ground.

They need to move this out into the desert where they can go at each other all they want. In the meantime, they (EVERYBODY) really needs to leave the civilians alone finally.
So far ISIS have scored the highest number of civilians; now how do we move ISIS out into the desert?
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Old 20.09.2016, 15:20
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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So far ISIS have scored the highest number of civilians; now how do we move ISIS out into the desert?
Source? I read Assad's forces are responsible for about 90% of civilian deaths.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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So far ISIS have scored the highest number of civilians; now how do we move ISIS out into the desert?
Unlinkely. Estimates are for about 400k dead so far. The war has been raging for five years or more, Daesh didn't make headlines until about two years ago and has only around 20k men under arms.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Source? I read Assad's forces are responsible for about 90% of civilian deaths.
Like you I read it somewhere
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

The U.S won't go to the security council, because it wants to keep the "cease fire" - Kerry even said "it's not dead"
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Kerry is lambasting the Russians and the Syrians in the UN council right now. It will take a while until transcripts appear.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Kerry is lambasting the Russians and the Syrians in the UN council right now. It will take a while until transcripts appear.
Initial transcripts coming in:

John Kerry: "Hey, sorry that we bombed you and killed your soldiers. We obviously didn't mean it. After all, we'd just agreed to a cease-fire. Stop defending yourselves and relax so we can get you some Band-Aids and granola bars now, OK?"
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Not quite what he said, but if you wish to add your own, or someone elses spin, go right ahead.
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