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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

So Kerry wants a no-fly zone. Five years too late I'm afraid.

Kerry should ground his forces, let Russia/Assad continue unobstructed and bring this thing to an end.
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Old 21.09.2016, 19:51
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So Kerry wants a no-fly zone. Five years too late I'm afraid.

Kerry should ground his forces, let Russia/Assad continue unobstructed and bring this thing to an end.
Well Russia has been in action there for over a year now with little progress against ISIS; which they claimed to be their target!

More success against unarmed aid convoys!
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Old 21.09.2016, 20:52
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Can't we just be honest yet and call this what this looks like? A large part of it is a proxy war between Russia, Iran, the US and the West, no?
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Old 21.09.2016, 21:59
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Can't we just be honest yet and call this what this looks like? A large part of it is a proxy war between Russia, Iran, the US and the West, no?
I don't think anybody has claimed it is anything but that.
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Old 21.09.2016, 22:10
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So Kerry wants a no-fly zone. Five years too late I'm afraid.

Kerry should ground his forces, let Russia/Assad continue unobstructed and bring this thing to an end.
Perhpas Obama can agree to this, if Russia & Iran would stay out of Iraq/Yemen/Lebanon.
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Old 21.09.2016, 22:16
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

In the EF thread on Trump vs Clinton there is no discussion on ME wars. So I think people are indifferent to US wars.
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Old 23.09.2016, 10:53
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Time to get worried
Russia have sent their only aircraft carrier to the Med to support the Syria "war";the Admiral Kuznetsov.

Don't worry if you do not recognise the name!

Originally it was named the "Soviet Union" , then later the "Riga"l.
Later still it was "Leonid Brezhnev" and when it was launched in 1985, it was called "Tbilisi".
Five years later, the ship was renamed after the Soviet Commodore Nikolai Kuznetsov.

So far it has seen active service nine times; each time with operational problems....
Finally, a complete overhaul was announced, the Admiral Kuznetsov should be as it were newly made and get an upgrade.
The work was planned to be completed in 2017.

But because of the Russian commitment in Syria the overhaul was cut short.
The Admiral Kuznetsov mission is accompanied by several other Russian vessels and tugs - just in case.

But even if it is operational, the ship has its flaws. The Admiral Kuznetsov has no catapults! The jets fly over a simple bow ramp which lifts the aircraft into the sky.
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Old 26.09.2016, 11:01
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Britain's ambassador, alongside the French and US ambassadors, to the United Nations has walked out of an emergency session of the Security Council after accusing Russia of committing war crimes.

The walkout on Sunday demonstrated Western anger and frustration at Syrian President Bashar Assad's decision to try to take Aleppo after US-Russian talks failed to revive a ceasefire.

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Old 26.09.2016, 14:32
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Pot, kettle.

Perhaps the US should accept for once that they don't always get their will.
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Old 26.09.2016, 15:47
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Pot, kettle.

Perhaps the US should accept for once that they don't always get their will.
Russia and Assad use war crimes as a strategy, not the odd mistake. Russia's kettle is very black indeed.

Russa' crude propaganda about the UN convoy being attacked by rebels or US drones may work at home, but very few others buy it.
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Old 26.09.2016, 16:05
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Pot, kettle.

Perhaps the US should accept for once that they don't always get their will.
Did you not notice the French and UK ambassadors also walked out.

Not sure why you support Syria and Russia continuing to commit war crimes, or is the excuse the US are not clean so it is OK for us too?

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Old 26.09.2016, 16:17
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

A few years back US would not agree to any cease-fire unless Assad regime was deposed. UN said so.
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Old 26.09.2016, 16:18
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Did you not notice the French and UK ambassadors also walked out.

Not sure why you support Syria and Russia continuing to commit war crimes, or is the excuse the US are not clean so it is OK for us too?

Interesting reading here
You have a rather odd way of thinking. Pointing out both side's hypocrisy doesn't amount to support for anyone. The US attacks were illegal at least until last December but nobody in the West gave a bloody damn, even today it's not clear whether the resolution legalizes US actions as they happen today - but of course nobody gives a damn, again.

No party involved has any reason to claim the moral high grounds, least of all the US and UK. Remember Iraq.

Pot, kettle.

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A few years back US would not agree to any cease-fire unless Assad regime was deposed. UN said so.
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Old 26.09.2016, 17:01
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Russia and Assad use war crimes as a strategy, not the odd mistake. Russia's kettle is very black indeed.

Russa' crude propaganda about the UN convoy being attacked by rebels or US drones may work at home, but very few others buy it.
Whereas the US only care about the legality as long as it suits their interests. Serbia bombings and WMDs are just two examples. And of course Ukraine is another one, where the US worked to replace the legal government in order to have a government in place that suits them, which as things happened was of course illegal as well.

By international law, the only clearly legal actors in Syria are Assad's government and Russia, which acts by government request. The UN resolution from last year calls for "suppression" but doesn't go as far as mentioning use of force, let alone "all means necessary" so at best it's not clear whether the US are still acting illegally or not, but they clearly were acting illegally before that resolution when their explicit aim was to overthrow the legal government, in and of itself an illegality according to international law.
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It will be very difficult for the Brahimi mission to halt this drift toward greater violence. But given the stakes for the region, it is incumbent upon the United States to give the UN effort its full support. Much of the US media blamed Russian and Chinese intransigence for the collapse of the Annan mission. But as veteran Guardian reporter and Syrian observer Jonathan Steele has pointed out, it was US, Turkish and Saudi policy as much as Russian and Chinese vetoes that led to the collapse of the Annan plan. The US demand that Assad be removed and sanctions be imposed before negotiations could seriously begin, along with the refusal to include Iran in the process, doomed that mission. Any diplomatic approach that excludes Russia and Iran will be similarly condemned to failure.
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Old 26.09.2016, 18:02
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Whereas the US only care about the legality as long as it suits their interests. Serbia bombings and WMDs are just two examples. And of course Ukraine is another one, where the US worked to replace the legal government in order to have a government in place that suits them, which as things happened was of course illegal as well.

By international law, the only clearly legal actors in Syria are Assad's government and Russia, which acts by government request. The UN resolution from last year calls for "suppression" but doesn't go as far as mentioning use of force, let alone "all means necessary" so at best it's not clear whether the US are still acting illegally or not, but they clearly were acting illegally before that resolution when their explicit aim was to overthrow the legal government, in and of itself an illegality according to international law.
" the only clearly legal actors in Syria are Assad's government and Russia" so that gives them the right to break the cease fire and to bomb civilians and hospitals?
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" the only clearly legal actors in Syria are Assad's government and Russia" so that gives them the right to break the cease fire and to bomb civilians and hospitals?
If it is justified militarily, then yes. Collateral damage unfortunately is a part of war.

There is an awful lot of rhetoric coming from parties that have been stirring the shit in the region for quite some time. It is really quite pathetic actually but it plays perfectly into the hands of sheeple like yourself.
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Old 26.09.2016, 18:36
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If it is justified militarily, then yes. Collateral damage unfortunately is a part of war.

There is an awful lot of rhetoric coming from parties that have been stirring the shit in the region for quite some time. It is really quite pathetic actually but it plays perfectly into the hands of sheeple like yourself.
Sheeple?

Bombing hospitals is a war crime
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Bombing hospitals is a war crime
So what is in your book having your own spy agency dealing weapons abroad so that it becomes funds bypassing congress supervision to start a civil war?
I wonder what other agenda might have US, in particular wrt Ukraine, as this is much closer to my country.
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Old 26.09.2016, 22:27
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So what is in your book having your own spy agency dealing weapons abroad so that it becomes funds bypassing congress supervision to start a civil war?
I wonder what other agenda might have US, in particular wrt Ukraine, as this is much closer to my country.
This thread is about Syria.
If you want to start a thread about the nasty US of A feel free to do so!
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