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Old 08.01.2017, 22:07
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"In the meantime the people of Aleppo can finally start rebuilding their city" With no money, no building materials and no support from their Govt.? Which Govt. anyway has no money because they let ISIS steal all their oil fields and had zero help from Russia against ISIS!
Then I guess the US and the EU can send over some money to help rebuild the country, after they helped the Sunni terrorists ruin it.
Oh wait, Assad must go.
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Old 08.01.2017, 22:10
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I wouldn't subscribe to that. In fact I think IS will resort to suicide bombs sooner rather than later.
Well, I totally agree that suicide bombings are bound to happen.
Still it's better to have the city under government control with the risk of suicide terrorism, than have it under the control of "moderate" rebels.
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Old 08.01.2017, 23:01
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Then I guess the US and the EU can send over some money to help rebuild the country, after they helped the Sunni terrorists ruin it.
Oh wait, Assad must go.
Well Assad and the Russians actually bombed Aleppo to pieces so they should mend it.

This was not a lot to do with the US & the EU.

Basically a proxy war between Saudi and Iran with support from Qatar, Lebanon and Turkey.
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Old 09.01.2017, 08:31
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Well Assad and the Russians actually bombed Aleppo to pieces so they should mend it.
After Aleppo was taken by force by Jihadists. Perhaps they should ask them to come back and mend it too?
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Old 09.01.2017, 11:12
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Well, I totally agree that suicide bombings are bound to happen.
Still it's better to have the city under government control with the risk of suicide terrorism, than have it under the control of "moderate" rebels.
It's cynical but you're probably right.
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Well Assad and the Russians actually bombed Aleppo to pieces so they should mend it.

This was not a lot to do with the US & the EU.
Hmmm. For how long have the US been there?

According to statista, who's data end in March last year, the US have flown the same number of sorties as Russia. Do you really want to claim that the US actions have no effect? If anything I would expect their weapons to be much more effective. In June the US had 5000 troops there according to some reports, CIA kept training "moderate" rebels who probably will be re-labeled jihadist once they've become useless for the west.

Now, as for civilian victims:
With just a little bit of effort you can find reports on the US also hitting civilian targets, they just don't make headlines, like this one (FAZ, article in German) that mentions 11 US attacks that hit civilians and killed about 200.

However I find this bean-counting rather silly considering there's a war where the rebel militia mingle with civilians. By definition people get killed in a war, with this mixture it's impossible to avoid civilian casualties. The whole mess would be far less violent (assuming it had fully broken out in the first place) and cause less victims without the US' continued meddling in affairs they have no business interfering with.
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Old 09.01.2017, 13:52
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As for the war calming down by spring - like before, shall we bet on it, phos?
If we call it "de-escalate", its a good bet to take. Of course you can't do anything about people going at each other in trucks. But we should see a lot less US support and arms for imaginary "moderate" Islamists.

Mainstream media, and self-desribed "moderates" in the US are actually taking a very hard line against Russia. I'd say a lot of this hinges on how well Trump and Putin can achieve detente. But based on what Trump has said, I see no reason to believe he will continue to arm and support the decapitation crowd, the way Obama and Hillary have.

What are we wagering?
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Old 09.01.2017, 16:30
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What are we wagering?
You tell me - what do you mean by de-escalating precisely ?

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The whole mess would be far less violent (assuming it had fully broken out in the first place) and cause less victims without the US' continued meddling in affairs they have no business interfering with
It would be far less violent if Russia Iran, Turkey etc wouldn't meddle in Syrian affairs. What's good for the goose...
If both sides knew that the losing does'nt mean dying there wouldn't be a need for a war in the first place. not a likely scenario in the Arab world, unfortunately.

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Old 09.01.2017, 16:35
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It would be far less violent if Russia Iran, Turkey etc wouldn't meddle in Syrian affairs. What's good for the goose...
I definitely agree.
First they would kill everybody who they don't like (Shia Muslims, Christians, Yazidis, gays) and then everything would be peaceful.
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Old 09.01.2017, 18:02
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You tell me - what do you mean by de-escalating precisely ?
I predict less battles and a return to some civil normalcy in places like Aleppo. Or we can ask someone in Damascus or Aleppo how life has change.

As for wager, I dunno, Thought you suggested a wager. How about mint tea, a tray of baklava and a shisha?
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Old 09.01.2017, 20:37
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It would be far less violent if Russia Iran, Turkey etc wouldn't meddle in Syrian affairs. What's good for the goose...
What a stupid post.

Assad's is the legal and internationally recognized government; Russia and Iran are there by the government's explicit request.
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Old 10.01.2017, 11:56
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I predict less battles and a return to some civil normalcy in places like Aleppo. Or we can ask someone in Damascus or Aleppo how life has change.

As for wager, I dunno, Thought you suggested a wager. How about mint tea, a tray of baklava and a shisha?
Perhaps there will less battles - life in Damascus is quite normal already for areas under Assad contriol - kids go to school, parents go to work, jouranlists write what they are told to, secret police pick people up and turture them - normal. so we don't have a bet, but Tea & Baklawa sounds nice.

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Assad is a dictator who didn't shy from intervening in other countries. Iran intervenes in Yemen & Lebanon. Russia intervened in Ukraine, Georgia & Chechnia. Unforutnalety - foreign intervention has always existed.
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Assad is a dictator who didn't shy from intervening in other countries. Iran intervenes in Yemen & Lebanon. Russia intervened in Ukraine, Georgia & Chechnia. Unforutnalety - foreign intervention has always existed.
People have always killed people. Do you want to argue that this is grounds to keep the practice?
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Old 10.01.2017, 13:44
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People have always killed people. Do you want to argue that this is grounds to keep the practice?
I want people in stone houses to stop throwing stones. As I posted before, part of the solution could be that Iran stops foreign meddling and the west stop supplying weapons to the rebels.
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I want people in stone houses to stop throwing stones. As I posted before, part of the solution could be that Iran stops foreign meddling and the west stop supplying weapons to the rebels.
Russia, AFAIK Iran as well, have been asked for help. That's not exactly meddling.
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Old 10.01.2017, 16:36
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Russia, AFAIK Iran as well, have been asked for help. That's not exactly meddling.
The Ukrainian & Georgian governemts invited Russia ? The Yemenite & Lebanese governments invited Iran ?

Not to mention Russian involvemnt in the U.S presidential elections...
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The Ukrainian & Georgian governemts invited Russia ? The Yemenite & Lebanese governments invited Iran ?

Not to mention Russian involvemnt in the U.S presidential elections...
funny, I thought this thread is about Syriah.
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Old 10.01.2017, 18:50
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funny, I thought this thread is about Syriah.
It is. Let me spell it out for you again: Iran out of yemen, Russia out of Ukraine, West and Turkey out of Syria.
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Old 13.01.2017, 16:04
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Syria's population mix is getting more complex : Iraqis are moving in, Sunnis are moving north. Maybe there will be new borders drawn, after all.
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Old 13.01.2017, 16:18
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Syria's population mix is getting more complex : Iraqis are moving in, Sunnis are moving north. Maybe there will be new borders drawn, after all.
Why they don't just all draw borders for every group and make sure they all stay within them? Problem solved.
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Old 20.01.2017, 14:08
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

As I said before - Putin can't simply pull sticks and declare victory. ISIS destroys another monument in Palmyra.
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