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The US is so much nicer, they don't even use the US citizens because of the backlash back home when the dead or Rambo shoot'em all scarred suicidal guys come back; they send Syrians instead. Before they used Blackwater aka Academi, tens of thousands of them.
Right? I think it's very nice of the er, participating actors to send advisors to the region. There aren't enough hot spots in which to train your special forces, sell tech, snatch a Dollar or stymie your adversaries.
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Adding to the country's many rival factions, a new alliance appears to have been forged between pro-government forces and Kurdish militias.

Forces loyal to the Syrian government will be deployed to the Kurdish-held region of Afrin "within hours" to help defend a month-long offensive by Turkey, the Syrian official news agency, SANA, said Monday.

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Getting ever more complicated.

Makes some sort of sense, if the US are not helping the Kurds against the Turkish invasion then the Kurds are pushed towards finding other partners!

I assume Assad does not want Erdogan to take a chunk of Syria!
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Makes some sort of sense, if the US are not helping the Kurds against the Turkish invasion then the Kurds are pushed towards finding other partners!
So at the very least a Kurdish autonomous region is a given if Assad stays in power until after the war.
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Old 20.02.2018, 18:30
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So at the very least a Kurdish autonomous region is a given if Assad stays in power until after the war.
Look! Look! We're barrel bombing our own people again! fighting the Turks, helping the poor Kurds!
"In Geneva, the UN children’s fund issued a blank “statement” to express its outrage at the casualties among Syrian children, saying it had run out of words."
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Old 20.02.2018, 18:41
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Look! Look! We're barrel bombing our own people again! fighting the Turks, helping the poor Kurds!
"In Geneva, the UN children’s fund issued a blank “statement” to express its outrage at the casualties among Syrian children, saying it had run out of words."
To be fair E. Ghouta is a long way from the area where Syria is fighting the Turks.

The situation in East Ghouta is certainly terrible and no doubt many civilians are, or will be, also killed in the area where Syria is fighting the Turks.

War is certainly a dreadful business.
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Old 20.02.2018, 19:03
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To be fair E. Ghouta is a long way from the area where Syria is fighting the Turks.

The situation in East Ghouta is certainly terrible and no doubt many civilians are, or will be, also killed in the area where Syria is fighting the Turks.

War is certainly a dreadful business.
It's a distraction: the world pays attention to possible warring with Turkey; meanwhile the regime is barrel bombing people on the doorstep of Damascus. Another Srebrenica.

“This could be one of the worst attacks in Syrian history, even worse than the siege on Aleppo … To systematically target and kill civilians amounts to a war crime and the international community must act to stop it"- UOSSM.org
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Old 20.02.2018, 19:58
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"In Geneva, the UN children’s fund issued a blank “statement” to express its outrage at the casualties among Syrian children, saying it had run out of words."
Didn't you see the massive demonstrations calling to stop the war and save the children ? neither did I.
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Old 20.02.2018, 20:47
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It's a distraction: the world pays attention to possible warring with Turkey; meanwhile the regime is barrel bombing people on the doorstep of Damascus. Another Srebrenica.

“This could be one of the worst attacks in Syrian history, even worse than the siege on Aleppo … To systematically target and kill civilians amounts to a war crime and the international community must act to stop it"- UOSSM.org
"It's a distraction" Sadly, so what!
Nobody in power is interested.
Nobody has the power to stop it.

Even if the US were interested to intervene they would not want to risk starting an open conflict with Russia.

It is a huge cr#p pile. I do not want to even start discussing the military targeting of hospitals
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Old 20.02.2018, 21:55
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"It's a distraction" Sadly, so what!
Nobody in power is interested.
Nobody has the power to stop it.

Even if the US were interested to intervene they would not want to risk starting an open conflict with Russia.

It is a huge cr#p pile. I do not want to even start discussing the military targeting of hospitals
15 years ago the streets of Europe were full with demonstrators against the war in Iraq, today there is not even a vigil in front of the Russian or Syrian embassies. the Hypocrisy.
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Old 20.02.2018, 22:23
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15 years ago the streets of Europe were full with demonstrators against the war in Iraq, today there is not even a vigil in front of the Russian or Syrian embassies. the Hypocrisy.
Wrong word! Apathy or a surfeit of such situations.
In 2003 Iraq was the only game in town; Now we have situations from Ukraine to Yemen and many stations inbetween.
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Old 20.02.2018, 22:50
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Wrong word! Apathy or a surfeit of such situations.
In 2003 Iraq was the only game in town; Now we have situations from Ukraine to Yemen and many stations inbetween.
The world was not more peaceful in 2003 than it is now, but back then it was the US doing the bombing (in which a lot less civilians were killed).

If the US would have bombed a hospital we wouldn't hear the end of it.
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Old 20.02.2018, 23:56
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The world was not more peaceful in 2003 than it is now, but back then it was the US doing the bombing (in which a lot less civilians were killed).

If the US would have bombed a hospital we wouldn't hear the end of it.
In fact the world was a lot more peaceful in 2003; Iraq and Afghanistan were the big ones plus some very minor actions in Liberia, Georgia and Djibouti.

Now we have Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria and Yemen plus lots of smaller actions in Philippines, Ukraine, Libya, Niger, Mexico and more.
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In fact the world was a lot more peaceful in 2003; Iraq and Afghanistan were the big ones plus some very minor actions in Liberia, Georgia and Djibouti.

Now we have Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria and Yemen plus lots of smaller actions in Philippines, Ukraine, Libya, Niger, Mexico and more.
I can't find hard data to refute your point so I'll conceed that today there might be more conflicts and casualities than in 2003.

However - there is no aparthy when the US/UK is invloved, even thru proxies. Yemen is a good examples - there many calls for arms embargo on Saudi Arabia, no such calls in Syria.
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To be fair E. Ghouta is a long way from the area where Syria is fighting the Turks.

The situation in East Ghouta is certainly terrible and no doubt many civilians are, or will be, also killed in the area where Syria is fighting the Turks.

War is certainly a dreadful business.
Erdogan might think otherwise but the general public sentiment in Turkey is that as long as the Kurds are gone from the west of Euphrates, Syrian regime has all the rights to come there. However, if Esad is willing to let go part of his country to the Kurds, I am sure Turks will do something about it.
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Old 21.02.2018, 13:00
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The world was not more peaceful in 2003 than it is now, but back then it was the US doing the bombing (in which a lot less civilians were killed).

If the US would have bombed a hospital we wouldn't hear the end of it.
Really? funny that I am not seeing anything about Raqqa after the US strikes.
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Old 21.02.2018, 14:40
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Really? funny that I am not seeing anything about Raqqa after the US strikes.
Please share a link which shows consistant & deliberate U.S attacking civilian infrastructure in a similar fashion to what the Syrians/Russians are doing.

Turkey/Kurds - Turkey doesn't want a Kurdish state on it's borders. Such a state could inspire kurds in Turkey to demand more rights, maybe even change Turkish borders. However, sending the Turkish army to fight outside Turkey is risky. such wars are rarely quick and painless.
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Please share a link which shows consistant & deliberate U.S attacking civilian infrastructure in a similar fashion to what the Syrians/Russians are doing.

Turkey/Kurds - Turkey doesn't want a Kurdish state on it's borders. Such a state could inspire kurds in Turkey to demand more rights, maybe even change Turkish borders. However, sending the Turkish army to fight outside Turkey is risky. such wars are rarely quick and painless.
here is raqqa:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-2...ghting/9073018
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-state-capital
http://time.com/rebuilding-raqqa/ ( pay attention to the picture of Ocalan, but ofcourse YPG is not PKK)

and here is Mousul :
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ore-after.html

Turkish army has been crossing the Iraqi border so many years now. what is happening in Syria is not so new. Plus, the distance of Afrin is not that far from Turkey.

I for one would have preferred that Erdogan never intervened with Syria in the first place, then the turkish army wouldn't have the need to cross the border. Erdogan has played a major role in destabilizing his own country.
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here is raqqa:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-2...ghting/9073018
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-state-capital
http://time.com/rebuilding-raqqa/ ( pay attention to the picture of Ocalan, but ofcourse YPG is not PKK)

and here is Mousul :
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ore-after.html

Turkish army has been crossing the Iraqi border so many years now. what is happening in Syria is not so new. Plus, the distance of Afrin is not that far from Turkey.

I for one would have preferred that Erdogan never intervened with Syria in the first place, then the turkish army wouldn't have the need to cross the border. Erdogan has played a major role in destabilizing his own country.
The risk in Syria is that Erdogan, accidentally or not, runs up against the US or Russian military with awful consequences
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Mosul & Raqqa (and Ghouta) is what happens in urban warfare when you fight Islamists. BUT - the U.S doesn't target civilians the way Syria/Russia are doing. it one thing to bomb a civilian building used as military headquarters and another to bomb a hospital treating civilians (and even militants).
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Mosul & Raqqa (and Ghouta) is what happens in urban warfare when you fight Islamists. BUT - the U.S doesn't target civilians the way Syria/Russia are doing. it one thing to bomb a civilian building used as military headquarters and another to bomb a hospital treating civilians (and even militants).
I am not saying that US is targeting civilians;however, they are not able differentiate due to the use of heavy bombs and artillery. As you have said also, it is not possible to have high level of precision in urban warfare.
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