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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

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Strange bedfellows in this tragedy.

The latest round began after U.S withdrew 50 soldiers from Syria, quoting budget problems. Maybe crowdfunding could have avoided this
Probably not a good solution for the Kurds, likely Assad will turn on them once the Turkey situation is resolved. But then what choice do they have?

It is claimed the Kurds have also done a deal with the Russians but they are very quiet, if they were serious they would immediately forbid the Turks to fly in Syrian airspace!
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Probably not a good solution for the Kurds, likely Assad will turn on them once the Turkey situation is resolved. But then what choice do they have?

It is claimed the Kurds have also done a deal with the Russians but they are very quiet, if they were serious they would immediately forbid the Turks to fly in Syrian airspace!
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Old 14.10.2019, 22:39
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Friends come and go
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Old 17.10.2019, 09:24
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

US airforce just admitted they bombed their own base in Syria yesterday because they did not have time to evacuate it properly??
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

It's a good thing that the Americans go home. They and others have nothing to do in Syria, they are not invited. And why even sacrifice American lives for nothing.

Russians I hope wont do the same mistake and start to do interventions into different Middle Eastern countries.

People have to understand that Assad may not be a ideal leader to our European standards, but he heck is someone that is needed in countries like Syria. Otherwise we have another Libya with 5 different governments and terrorism growing.

Europe need to get the out of those American safaris around the world and protect its borders. USA should lead by good example and not by forcing others.
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Old 17.10.2019, 11:05
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It's a good thing that the Americans go home. They and others have nothing to do in Syria, they are not invited. And why even sacrifice American lives for nothing.

Russians I hope wont do the same mistake and start to do interventions into different Middle Eastern countries.

People have to understand that Assad may not be a ideal leader to our European standards, but he heck is someone that is needed in countries like Syria. Otherwise we have another Libya with 5 different governments and terrorism growing.

Europe need to get the out of those American safaris around the world and protect its borders. USA should lead by good example and not by forcing others.
You do know Trump has sent many more troops to Saudi this year than he withdrew from Syria?
Last week alone 1,800 more U.S. troops
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You do know Trump has sent many more troops to Saudi this year than he withdrew from Syria?
Last week alone 1,800 more U.S. troops
I know, hopefully they won't be used for another intervention.
To be honest Trump has been the most peaceful US President the world has seen for decades.

Let's hope it is because he wants it and not by circumstances. He may be a buffoon and a clown but better that than a warmonger.
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Old 17.10.2019, 14:38
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I know, hopefully they won't be used for another intervention.
To be honest Trump has been the most peaceful US President the world has seen for decades.

Let's hope it is because he wants it and not by circumstances. He may be a buffoon and a clown but better that than a warmonger.
They only send troops if they need to kill some people
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Turkey & Russia divide the north of Syria between them. Assad can make statements, but is powerless against Russia. The Kurds are paying the price, being weak in the middle east is a terrible thing.

Europe doing nothing to support the only functioning democratic part of Syria.

Putin will be stuck in Syria for a long time.
War is costly, Russia's economy will suffer for it. He is a cunning man, but he finds himself in Brezhnev's position - military involved around the globe with a deteriorating economy.
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Turkey & Russia divide the north of Syria between them. Assad can make statements, but is powerless against Russia. The Kurds are paying the price, being weak in the middle east is a terrible thing.

Europe doing nothing to support the only functioning democratic part of Syria.

Putin will be stuck in Syria for a long time.
War is costly, Russia's economy will suffer for it. He is a cunning man, but he finds himself in Brezhnev's position - military involved around the globe with a deteriorating economy.
Europe has no defence of its own. What do you expect? It's high time to reconsider what France has been advocating for a long time.
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Old 23.10.2019, 10:18
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Europe has no defence of its own. What do you expect? It's high time to reconsider what France has been advocating for a long time.
European states still have armies. The U.S force in Syria was small, it's main protection was the U.S flag.



France, Germany or Estonia could have sent soldiers with an EU flag. But this would be risky and it's easier to criticise the U.S than to actually do something meaningful.

What has France advocated ?
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Old 23.10.2019, 12:42
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Damaging testimony from a member of the Trump administration.
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US special envoy for Syria and the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS Jim Jeffrey said Tuesday that he was not consulted or advised in advance on President Donald Trump's decision to pull US troops from northeastern Syria.

"Turkey has not really gained all that much from this, as I said, but in the process has scrambled the entire northeast, undercut our efforts against ISIS and brought in the Russians and the Syrian regime forces in a way that is really tragic for everybody involved," Jeffrey told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Jeffrey appeared to confirm that about 14,000 to 18,000 ISIS fighters remain at large in Iraq and Syria, despite administration claims of victory over the terrorist group.

Jeffrey said that "Turkish-supported Syrian opposition forces who are under general Turkish command in at least one instance did carry out a war crime and we have reached out to Turkey to demand an explanation."
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European states still have armies. The U.S force in Syria was small, it's main protection was the U.S flag.
I think putting european troops in a situation where they may be facing against the turkish army would be a recepie for disaster

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Damaging testimony from a member of the Trump administration.
At the end of the day in fact Trump just gave free hand to the Russians to sort out the situation and gain from it as much as they can. Fairly consistent with what he's been about so far
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Old 23.10.2019, 14:46
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At the end of the day in fact Trump just gave free hand to the Russians to sort out the situation and gain from it as much as they can. Fairly consistent with what he's been about so far
Actually Trump has claimed several times that ISIS in Syria was completely defeated. Now his own special envoy has admitted under oath that about 14,000 to 18,000 ISIS fighters remain at large in Iraq and Syria plus an unknown number of prisoners who are taking advantage of the mess to escape.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

If EU puts forces in Syria what does it make any difference from Turkish forces. Everyone except Russia is an invader in Syria like it or not.

If we break these rules, which we honestly do all the time, what will stop lets say China or Russia in 20-30-40 years to start invading us and "freeing us" from bad dictators. I bet there are more than enough people in Europe that would welcome Russian boots on the ground.

Europe should stick to its own problems.

But at the end of the day its not about the people its about geopolitical goals.
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European states still have armies. The U.S force in Syria was small, it's main protection was the U.S flag.



France, Germany or Estonia could have sent soldiers with an EU flag. But this would be risky and it's easier to criticise the U.S than to actually do something meaningful.
You're missing the context. Apart from the UK which was foolish to join the US in the crusade in Iraq, Europe hasn't really joined these stupid wars. In fact, if you look at the past 20 years, the US hasn't made EVEN ONE correct decision re the Middle East and keeps on making mistakes by the day. The idea that the US can muddy the water, completely destroy the region, then leave as if nothing happened and then a weird military force under an EU flag should somehow fixed that mess would be a massive mistake. First it won't work, second the support for such stupid things in Europe is very very low. The pro-war sycophants are a very tiny minority here as opposed to the US where this is associated with being "Umericun"

Putin and Assad are "winners" in the whole mess, let them enjoy it. He'll be stuck there for a while and more and more this whole thing looks much more as being needed for purely internal reasons in Russia itself rather than anything else. There's very little for him to show for all his military campaigns in terms of both bringing stability or increased revenue.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

The EU says it stands up for democracy , human rights & women rights. The Kurdish region was the only part of Syria which had these. plus actually fought against ISIS.

The EU decided not to to send forces to Syria, and to abandon the Kurds making the EU a fairweather friend to democracy.

This decision cost many lives and will cost more in the future.

Inaction, as well as action has implications.
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You're missing the context. Apart from the UK which was foolish to join the US in the crusade in Iraq, Europe hasn't really joined these stupid wars.
Quite a few have had a presence in Afghanistan: in Western Europe alone Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Scandinavian countries have sent troops (note - had to look this up - apologies if I've missed any).
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European states still have armies. The U.S force in Syria was small, it's main protection was the U.S flag.



France, Germany or Estonia could have sent soldiers with an EU flag. But this would be risky and it's easier to criticise the U.S than to actually do something meaningful.

What has France advocated ?
An European army for its own defence - borders protection etc.

I don't know what to say, sending those poor soldiers with an EU flag is not going to do EU any service... It looks like the Kurds are sacrificial pawns, true, but is EU supposed to solve this mess......?

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Quite a few have had a presence in Afghanistan: in Western Europe alone Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Luxembourg have sent troops (note - had to look this up - apologies if I've missed any).
I don't think it's appreciated by Afghans. That area has a totally different mentality and values.
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