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Re: The Europeans not extending any welcome to Syrians

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I am very grateful that I have not had to live in a tent for years in somewhere like Turkey or Greece with limited movement outside the camp.


No hope for a better life.


It has been known for at least 15 years or more this was going to happen at some point.


Thousands of people walking to get somewhere for a better life.


Right now could not have happened at a worse time, COVID 19, where much of the world are trying to contain people to stop the spread of a virus.
Because the thread can't decide whether Europeans are cowards or simply dont know how to welcome uninvited guests.
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Old 01.03.2020, 18:25
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I guess the "coward" one is omtatsat original, a mod changed it but omtatsat was quoted already by that time.

What is new about this thread? It should be in the Syria thread. Europeans hardly ever welcome refugees and when they do they get bashed for it too (Merkel).

The tragic thing at the moment I'd say is that with the Corona-problem, the Europeans will refuse anybody from anywhere. Soon even "their own Europeans".
No. A mod did not change it
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Old 01.03.2020, 18:28
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Re: The Europeans not extending any welcome to Syrians

Stop spreading misinformation! Anyone can enter Greece through the legal way. There are 4 Greek consulates and an embassy in Turkey. Anyone is welcome to apply for asylum.

Attacking the border with rocks and teargas (provided by Turkish Gendarmerie)is a no no.

Check the #IStandWithGreece in twitter for videos and photos.

Massively importing people in Europe without any control will help no one.
Humanitarian help should be given to the ones in need and not be abused.
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Old 01.03.2020, 18:32
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Stop spreading misinformation! Anyone can enter Greece through the legal way. There are 4 Greek consulates and an embassy in Turkey. Anyone is welcome to apply for asylum.

Attacking the border with rocks and teargas (provided by Turkish Gendarmerie)is a no no.

Check the #IStandWithGreece in twitter for videos and photos.

Massively importing people in Europe without any control will help no one.
Humanitarian help should be given to the ones in need and not be abused.
They responded to the attack by the Greeks.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Can a moderator ban this troll? (omtatsat)
The account is fake to annoy us and provoke.
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Old 01.03.2020, 19:38
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I was thinking more about economical or political sanctions, or actually doing something about the situation in Syria.
it's by doing something about the situation in Syria that we created this situation in the first place.
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I was thinking more about economical or political sanctions, or actually doing something about the situation in Syria.
I'd say give Assad a call, and offer him that if he gives the Kurds a place of their own we help him beat the rebels and kick the Turks out, tell the Kurds to lay down the weapons and accept their territory or else we smack them. And the Turks are only there for their own interest and should just get out with our help or not.
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it's by doing something about the situation in Syria that we created this situation in the first place.
We gave support to groups of which we knew they are not big enough to win and to divided to rule. What on earth where we thinking?
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Will Germany welcome them again?
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Old 01.03.2020, 20:09
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it's by doing something about the situation in Syria that we created this situation in the first place.
Actually, originally the Syrian rebels were supported by the mainly Sunni Arab states.

Of course, if you were so inclined you could link this all back to the end of WWI when the League of Nations was established. It came up with mandates to divide the conquered Ottoman land.

Each mandate was supposed to be ruled by Britain or France. It was the League of Nations that ended up drawing the borders in the Middle East.

However, the borders didn't consider the people living there, along with ethnic, geographic, and religious boundaries.

Like Putin with the Soviet Union, Erdogan wishes to restore the Ottoman empire.

The weirdest part of all this for me is that Assad worked for some years in the UK as an ophthalmologist.... He should have stayed there!!
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Actually, originally the Syrian rebels were supported by the mainly Sunni Arab states.

Of course, if you were so inclined you could link this all back to the end of WWI when the League of Nations was established. It came up with mandates to divide the conquered Ottoman land.

Each mandate was supposed to be ruled by Britain or France. It was the League of Nations that ended up drawing the borders in the Middle East.

However, the borders didn't consider the people living there, along with ethnic, geographic, and religious boundaries.

Like Putin with the Soviet Union, Erdogan wishes to restore the Ottoman empire.

The weirdest part of all this for me is that Assad worked for some years in the UK as an ophthalmologist.... He should have stayed there!!
Seems like Assad needs an ophthalmologist now.
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Old 02.03.2020, 10:00
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Re: The Europeans not extending any welcome to Syrians

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Problem is, we can't kick the Turks because of NATO. And redrawing borders is something people are deeply uncomfortable with. It creates the precedent that ethnicity/culture/religion are a basis for nationhood and raises all the spectres of the last time people believed that (Kosovo being an exception that doesn't count).
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Problem is, we can't kick the Turks because of NATO. And redrawing borders is something people are deeply uncomfortable with. It creates the precedent that ethnicity/culture/religion are a basis for nationhood and raises all the spectres of the last time people believed that (Kosovo being an exception that doesn't count).
Why would Nato prevent us from getting the Turks out of Syria?
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Old 02.03.2020, 10:59
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Doesn't the NATO contract basically forbid member states from going to war with one another? Something Erdogan has been using to his advantage as he interprets it to mean he can do as he likes and nobody can stop him?
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Doesn't the NATO contract basically forbid member states from going to war with one another? Something Erdogan has been using to his advantage as he interprets it to mean he can do as he likes and nobody can stop him?
Nato is not a free ticket to be allowed to invade other countries, as long as we do not attack Turkish territories I don't see a problem with kicking them out of Libya, would not know what article would forbid such.
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Old 03.03.2020, 11:54
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

9 years after the demonstrations started and still no end in sight.

1. Turkish forces clashing with Russian, Syrian & Hizbullah forces with casualties on both sides.
2. U.N investigation finds russian war crimes (don't hold your breath for any relevant resolutions ,though).
3. Syria re-elected to UN Special Committee on Decolonization

Business as usual: Dictators do what dictators do.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Local Greeks are standing up to foreign NGO's and journalists

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/x...nd-aid-workers
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And Merkel just keeps her mouth shut.........................! Send them all to Germany!
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And Merkel just keeps her mouth shut.........................! Send them all to Germany!
I think the City of Berlin has already offered to take a couple of thousand. I'm sure other cities will be following.
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Re: Syria - It ain't over till it's over

Nobody is rolling out the welcome mat during a pandemic. Sorry.

Merkel and her communist EU brethren had five years to fix this and have done nothing.

Maybe the Chinese would be interested in some refugees though. I’m pretty sure they could use some replacement factory workers. From what I see on YouTube, they have a few already built cities that need to be populated too.

Sounds like a win win win scenario.
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