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Old 01.04.2011, 18:03
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FBI need code-cracking help

No this is not a joke- if anyone has the time, inclination or aptitude the FBI need your help in cracking a code- they are stumped, they are asking the public to help.
The FBI are not sure if the note is just garbage by some random nut but if not (that it it can be cracked and translated) then it may help solve a cold murder case.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011...nalysis_032911

Here's the case:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...urder_case.php

Get cracking EFer's
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

Interesting. I'll pass this on to a few of my friends.
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The second one says something about not forgetting the milk and trying to find out about where one can buy brown sugar.
Sort of

Actually its the directions to a secret nuclear bunker location filled with brown sugar. No wonder the code is so hard to crack!
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

It's written in text-speak which is largely undecipherable anyway. They'll need a teenager to work it out, but they are all too busy being disinterested and cool to get involved.
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

it's quite difficult.
Although it should be done with algorithm...
Maybe "moving letters" from the alphabet...

His "key" is what we need. For example if he moved all letters from A-Z by minus 5. Example E would be "A", etc...


But there's another Ciphering much more interesting, some guys who hid gold in Virginia. He gave instructions and I could see that it's like saying go there and there from a train station in the 1800's in Virginia. Apparently burried in some "mini island" in a lake.
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

You'd have thought that if it can be handwritten, just from his head, that it would be easily solvable by computer.

Or am I misunderstanding crypotgraphy?
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You'd have thought that if it can be handwritten, just from his head, that it would be easily solvable by computer.

Or am I misunderstanding crypotgraphy?
Well it's certainly possible.
Whatever he wrote, he used a "key" to crypt that. Or it's random letter for "fun".

Maybe it's not easy but doable. One would need to create a quick algorithm to "separate" all characters and then apply some "tests".
For example adding all the text, separating it to be considered as single characters and applying a "move" from x letter to the alphabet.
A simple "check" could compare that output result by a "dictionnary" file and display the results every time it finds a common word.

of course it might be more complex than that, it could be like "the next character" is the number of position to rotate.
Example ADHE could be "A" as to move from "D"= 4 moves; then H would have to move from 5 moves.
So it could be "DM" if we move upward or "XD" if we move backward.

Also he could have done a rotation, every 1, 2, 3 characters, the "move" change maybe alterning "upward/downward".
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Old 04.04.2011, 12:36
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Well it's certainly possible.
Whatever he wrote, he used a "key" to crypt that. Or it's random letter for "fun".

Maybe it's not easy but doable. One would need to create a quick algorithm to "separate" all characters and then apply some "tests".
For example adding all the text, separating it to be considered as single characters and applying a "move" from x letter to the alphabet.
A simple "check" could compare that output result by a "dictionnary" file and display the results every time it finds a common word.

of course it might be more complex than that, it could be like "the next character" is the number of position to rotate.
Example ADHE could be "A" as to move from "D"= 4 moves; then H would have to move from 5 moves.
So it could be "DM" if we move upward or "XD" if we move backward.

Also he could have done a rotation, every 1, 2, 3 characters, the "move" change maybe alterning "upward/downward".
Maybe he's just a terrible speller.
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Old 04.04.2011, 12:46
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

Maybe he just scribbled random shite, just for a laugh?
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

i doubt it because he corrected letters several times
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

Of course those FBI guys tried all the letter shifting, grouping of several letters to represent one, rotating, using certain letters to mark a shift in coding, randomly moving spaces, counting letters to find out the language and encoding technique, using pig-Latin-like tricks before encoding the letters etc. etc.. And yes, the FBI does have computers, and they have skilled hackers and linguists on staff.

Obviously it didn't get them anywhere. So we can conclude that the whole thing is a bit beyond the ordinary boy scout and password cracker level stuff suggested above.
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Of course those FBI guys tried all the letter shifting, grouping of several letters to represent one, rotating, using certain letters to mark a shift in coding, randomly moving spaces, counting letters to find out the language and encoding technique, using pig-Latin-like tricks before encoding the letters etc. etc.. And yes, the FBI does have computers, and they have skilled hackers and linguists on staff.

Obviously it didn't get them anywhere. So we can conclude that the whole thing is a bit beyond the ordinary boy scout and password cracker level stuff suggested above.
Well you would be surprised how stupid some big organisations are sometimes.
Or how easy it is to miss obvious things, even for talented FBI agents.

So yes they do have whatever you mentioned, it still does not mean they tried "everything". Or explain why they haven't found the key yet?
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

Whoever's smart enough to crack it is probably smart enough not to take credit for it.

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Well you would be surprised how stupid some big organisations are sometimes.
Or how easy it is to miss obvious things, even for talented FBI agents.

So yes they do have whatever you mentioned, it still does not mean they tried "everything". Or explain why they haven't found the key yet?
No, in that field nothing can surprise me, but that doesn't mean they might have neglected the absolutely most basic things. After all, they are not interested in making asses out of themselves for everyone to see.

There need not be a key in the usual sense of the word. You can combine several techniques in a way that makes it almost impossible to crack your system unless your mere guessing is supported by an incredible lot of luck.

Let me give you an example: You can write a text that contains inconspicuous typos or other tiny peculiarities that do not catch the eye, such as minute imperfections in print or handwriting, wrong punctuation, corrections, just things noticed only by readers who know the trick. The positions of those peculiarities within the text give the recipient the information as to what words or letters, maybe located even in a different text, say, a Bible, todays newspaper or the like, are to be used to compose the text that actually makes up the message proper.

In such cases, most likely, all your deciphering attempts will miserably fail because you don't know what to look for, how to interpret the location hints, what text to use as a base for composing the message etc..

And even if you can decipher the message, it may still be coded, using words that have a totally different meaning, for instance, "Don't forget the brown sugar" meaning "Bank robbery has been postponed." So you are back to Square One.

We used such techniques already when we were kids, and we had a lot of fun. There are keys that cannot be found out. All you can do is finding them. Not finding them out.

When "The cherry trees are beginning to bloom. The birds are singing" actually means, "The tanks are in position. Our batallion is ready for attack," you cannot find out a key, unless you analyze dozens, nay, hundreds of similar messages, assuming the enemy is stupid enough to use the same code longer than just a few hours.

In the case covered by this thread, the FBI has only two messages to analyze. That's quite a challenge.
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

Interesting case. I couldn't crack a code to save myself...

But the comments at the bottom of the blog article are interesting:

From Riverbendga: well- I think this note is short hand for a theory of a drug company that put harmful mineral extracts in medicines -which created neurological problems.
Heres why: (ALS) appears in the corner- and the word "Cure "appears in the text.
then there are references to mineral chemical names CBN(SE) PQt(SE) and so forth. Google these and you will see what I mean. Also there is a mention of (WLDs) - thats a protein that protects nerve cells when damaged in some species.
Also repeated is (NCBE) which is an absortion rate to organic cells . Google this as well.
some other references seem to refer to places or locations (wld's 194) is the 194 countries recognized in the world.
Perhaps this man- stumbled on this information-sought to prove it and got killed in the process as
when I googled the possibility- a Law suit against a pharmacutical company appeared- apparently for putting Harmful minerals medicines.
Check it out- It is possible. Look up the trail I did.


This is dangerous! I should be working but find myself wanting to look through the code!

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Interesting case. I couldn't crack a code to save myself...

But the comments at the bottom of the blog article are interesting:

From Riverbendga: well- I think this note is short hand for a theory of a drug company that put harmful mineral extracts in medicines -which created neurological problems.
Heres why: (ALS) appears in the corner- and the word "Cure "appears in the text.
then there are references to mineral chemical names CBN(SE) PQt(SE) and so forth. Google these and you will see what I mean. Also there is a mention of (WLDs) - thats a protein that protects nerve cells when damaged in some species.
Also repeated is (NCBE) which is an absortion rate to organic cells . Google this as well.
some other references seem to refer to places or locations (wld's 194) is the 194 countries recognized in the world.
Perhaps this man- stumbled on this information-sought to prove it and got killed in the process as
when I googled the possibility- a Law suit against a pharmacutical company appeared- apparently for putting Harmful minerals medicines.
Check it out- It is possible. Look up the trail I did.


This is dangerous! I should be working but find myself wanting to look through the code!

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We got one who discovered our trick.

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We got one who discovered our trick.

let's "make the bird singing".
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Re: FBI need code-cracking help

The writer is the murder victim. - he left school early but was 'street smart'.
Why he wrote like this who knows but he was known to write like this. The FBI think that this letter may tell what happened before he was murdered- his last known letter.
I have been unable to ascertain if he spoke more than one language. It would be interesting to know how members of his family or people he hung out spoke- chances are that it is linked to his spoken language - unless it is linked to something like math or directions?

Too much brainache for me- but whoever cracks it- genius!
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