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Old 05.05.2011, 14:36
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

What could be interesting is holding a referendum on if a compulsory voting system should be introduced

I wonder how many would vote then?
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Old 05.05.2011, 15:51
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

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The "full solution" is only "delayed" if it has a chance of ever happening at all.

Given the public apathy to electoral reform, and the number of years it has taken to get even this referendum, do you really think the members of the largest parties in government will ever feel enough public pressure to be forced to bring in a system which would reduce their (disproportional) number of seats?

It's like waiting for turkeys to be persuaded by atheists to vote for Christmas.
All agreed, which is why I'm painfully disappointed at the LibDems for not getting a wider referendum - I think that realistically this was a "one shot deal" for some real electoral reform, and instead we've ended up with a halfway house which gives a cursory nod to the issue but doesn't actually present a workable solution.

Although I do have a healthy reality check in operation most of the time, I am at heart an optimist, and I'd like to think that over the coming years / elections, there will be sufficient advances in technology to engage better with the electorate (for example - televised debates with audience "live polling" as was seen in the last election). Unthinkable 10 years ago, and yet now I don't think we'll ever have an election where this doesn't happen after how popular it proved to be.

Who knows what could happen in the next 10 years? Social networking, interactive TV, secure SMS/MMS facilities, all kinds of possibilities. I think if FPTP "wins" today then we're likely to continue to see calls for electoral reform, and it's more likely to be a wider referendum to take into account those "no" voters who were actually saying "give me another option". Even though their voice won't be clearly heard in the voting, it will be heard in other media and through other means that was not possible when (for example) PR-STV for university votes was abolished in '49.
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

Just been confirmed, the SNP have won an overall majority in Scotland. Interesting times ahead there. A referendum on independence is certainly on the table now.

No word on the AV referendum yet although the polls suggest it will fail. I said this on another thread here a few months back - electorates are generally very reluctant to tamper with electoral reform. Also the question asked is rarely the one answered. In this case the question was 'Do you wish to change from FPTP to AV?' and the answer was 'No - I don't like Nick Clegg'

I also think the LibDems overestimated how big an issue electoral reform really was. Plus the Tories played them like a fiddle. They should have got either a PR-STV referendum or AV through the parliament.
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Old 06.05.2011, 18:47
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Elections 2011: Joy and hesitation at size of 'Labour tsunami'
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...l/article.html

All I need now is for Stoke to win the cup and it will be:



the stoke Delilah lyrics are very naughty, but I am about to attempt to write a lib-conservative version

sing along now!


I saw the light on the day that they took the election
I felt the flickering shadows of doubt in my mind
Liberals had betrayed us
As they deceived us I watched and went out of my mind
My, my, my, beleivers
Why, why, why, deceive us?
I could see that Clegg was no good for me
But I was lost like a slave that no man could free
At break of day on May 5th, …I was waiting
I crossed the street to the poll as they opened the door
Libcons are you still laughing?
I felt the ballot in my hand and knew they’d laugh no more

My, my, my dumb Cleggie
Why, why, why young Cleggie
So before they come to steal anymore
Forgive us dear Cleggie we just couldn't take any more

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Old 06.05.2011, 20:58
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

The national figure is not in yet but an overwhelming NO is predicted.

Locally to me the turnout was 36% with 67.5% voting NO.

In the local elections the Lib-Dems have lost out almost everywhere. Their coalition doesn't seem to have domne them any favours.

In Brighton, the Green Party are the major party for the first time ever. They also got the first Green Party MP in the last general election.
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Old 06.05.2011, 21:13
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

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I find it deeply disturbing to read that the benighted proletariat of the United Kingdom still have the right to vote.

Can't they have a referendum about that?
First I thought you gonna ask what this has to do with Switzerland , But what the hell
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

All voting systems have clear drawbacks, both practical and statistical. For example, AV and PR type systems fail to provide a clear answer to how a government should form (take the history of UK governments, with very few hung parliaments, and c.f. Belgium) and to allow the government to take action - . For why every system can be unfair, see http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ys-unfair.html ; for the flaws in AV even for liberal parties see http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/da...party-liberals .

In any event, as DB has pointed out the worst thing about the UK system is that the proles are enfranchised. That, cannut, is a problem that transcends international divisions...

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Old 06.05.2011, 23:03
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

Almost all the votes counted now. 69% NO.
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

The British public basically just said no on mass to kick Clegg!
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

Bit of a lurker, but seeing as this is maybe the last time I'll get to vote in the UK for a wee while, I feel qualified to comment

49.94% YES in my (now) home area of Edinburgh North and 54.32% YES in Cambridge central my (former) home area - not bad going! Not that I'm a product of my upbringing of course....!

SNP referendum on Scottish independence - not convinced that anyone here really cares enough - at the moment all indications show that it would largely be a no vote! First of all we'll need to see how the SNP manage to keep financing what they've created....time will tell!

What an interesting day!!
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

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The British public basically just said no on mass to kick Clegg!
Agreed....he's a silly boy eh?
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

I too just voted for the last time as I'm relocating to Switzerland in a couple of months. Well, when I say I voted I mean I went to the Polling Station with the intention of voting. My comment is on the local elections no tthe referendem as that's been pretty much covered already. I was absolutely disgusted that all 4 candidates on my voting slip were from one political party who I had no desire to vote for and even if I did, I would not have done on prinicple. Where the hell is the democracy in that? Total and utter ******* so I tore up my voting slip and took my hissy fit ass outta there!

I hear Switzerland is a fair democracy, looking forward to joining you even though I'm not sure if I'll be allowed to vote anyway
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Re: UK Voting System Referendum and local elections 5th May 2011

It is very democratic, but only if you're Swiss, and you won't be for quite a while. It is very interesting following all the referenda (?) literature though!
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Old 07.05.2011, 08:25
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... lost out almost everywhere. Their coalition doesn't seem to have domne them any favours...
Partly that's because people viewed them as an alternative to the conservatives and labour. Now they're in government, they miss out on the "anti" vote.

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It is very democratic, but only if you're Swiss, and you won't be for quite a while. It is very interesting following all the referenda (?) literature though!
Some areas allow c-permit holders to vote - local votes only.
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