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With all these interracial marriages happening each day around us, I am wondering what will we all look like in 200 yrs?
I figure IF racial mixing continues (or increases), many of the future children will look a lot like the folks I went to high school with - in Hawaii.

I'm all for the mixing - then again, I grew up with very open minded parents who never blinked (or even made us think for a second they would blink) whenever any of us kids dated anyone of different race.

As is, in my generation of our family, we are Irish, Scottish, English, Swiss German, German and Lithuanian. My uncle married a Tejana woman so including that branch, it allows our family to also include Native American and Spanish in my generation via my cousin.

In our next generation (the children of my siblings and cousins), we add in some more Spanish, more Native American and more German, some Dutch, Italian and African.


Then again, after reading / hearing about the junk going on in the US (some states worse than others) as well as how some of the politicians comment on immigrants here, I'm not so sure that we'll become more melted or more segregated as folks freak out about losing cultural identity and those sorts of things they tend to go on about. On one hand I can't blame them, after all, it is a struggle for me to hang onto some of my family traditions here even within my own home, let alone a whole group of people feeling subsumed by "cultural invasion via immigration."
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As is, in my generation of our family, we are Irish, Scottish, English, Swiss German, German and Lithuanian. My uncle married a Tejana woman so including that branch, it allows our family to also include Native American and Spanish in my generation via my cousin.
This is not directed at you, PegA, but I've noticed that Americans can always give a long list of the ethnicities they've got mixed up in their veins. They can also often name historical families from which they are descended.

Most Brits don't know and don't care. I know I've got a bit of Scottish blood from a few generations back, but apart from that I've no idea where my ancestors came from. It doesn't really matter to me, as I'm English and that's that.

Is there a cultural reason for this difference in attitude to lineage, do you think?
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Reading again and slowly this thread made me realize something. Will it be a problem for my kids? I mean, Im mexican, huby is swiss and we live in switzerland, as the mother is a bit more influential on which culture they get stronger. will they have identity issues in the future? We are living in switzerland and i cant raise them as swiss because i have no idea on how to do it and the reality for us is that my husband cant help much and in the future will be gone, so it is up to me. And in the other hand after some years if i decide to go back to mexico they will also feel no identity there because they were raised in a different country, the friends etc...
Im not sure if im clear on my point, normally i dont even understand me when i write, I have heard about this before (but never ever passed through my head until now, that i might be in the same situation) mexican parents that reside in USA they have kids and they are not accepted as "americans" because they are raised as mexicans by the parents, nor in mexico are accepted as mexican because they were raised in USA with a different surrounding.
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This is not directed at you, PegA, but I've noticed that Americans can always give a long list of the nationalities they've got mixed up in their veins. They can also often name historical families from which they are descended.

Most Brits don't know and don't care. I know I've got a bit of Scottish blood from a few generations back, but apart from that I've no idea where my ancestors came from. It doesn't really matter to me, as I'm English and that's that.

Is there a cultural reason for this difference in attitude to lineage, do you think?
You know DB, you're absolutely right! Only Americans name a few nationalities and attribute them to themselves ok ok some Canadians do that too but hey they watch MTV as well

But it isn't only White Americans that do it, it's the others too...you often meet a black or HIspanic American who talks to you about his great great grandfather's second cousin's wife who was a Cherokee hehehe why? I don't know...

You can't really compare England to the US or canada because the latter two are settler countries thus absorbing all sorts of naitonalities...I think I presented both sides of the argument and now I don't have an opinion of my own?!?!?
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Simples. The Brits have a long history. They live with it and don't care. Same here. When my AOH asks me, "How old is this building?", I say, "Dunno, maybe two hundred years or so. So what?" And she goes, "WHAT?!? Two hundred years? And there is not even a Historic Site sign?"

Same with genealogy. It's a mere coincidence I can trace back my whole paternal ancestry to 1191 A.D.. We have always been around here anyway. If one of my great-uncles had not done some research for a scientific project, we wouldn't know and we wouldn't care, whereas Americans spend a fortune on genealogy and travel all over the world in search of their roots.
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The green revolution in the 40s and 50s proved that genetic diversification could dramatically improve crops. Maybe the mixture of races will create more intelligent people? Hell, we might get peace in the middle east
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This is not directed at you, PegA, but I've noticed that Americans can always give a long list of the ethnicities they've got mixed up in their veins. They can also often name historical families from which they are descended.

Most Brits don't know and don't care. I know I've got a bit of Scottish blood from a few generations back, but apart from that I've no idea where my ancestors came from. It doesn't really matter to me, as I'm English and that's that.

Is there a cultural reason for this difference in attitude to lineage, do you think?

I'm sure there is a cultural reason for it somewhere - while Brits don't necessarily care to track their ancestors perhaps, I've long had an idea (probably from reading too many trashy Regency romances in my teens ) that there is quite an interest in where the money came from in one's family over that (er, this) side of the pond while Americans mostly only got their money within the last couple of generations so the blood is a big thing.

Another thing that probably lends itself to the "importance" of the matter is more a religious thing - one of the keys that brings about knowledge of ancestral blood is that a couple of my ancestors changed from Protestant to Catholic (or vice-versa) for love. (Oh, the horrors! ) So we know that so-and-so was Scottish and Catholic but married so-and-so and to appease (whichever side was "stronger" at the time) became Protestant. The elder generation was quite intrigued with my brother's Southern Baptist bride and oh so curious about how that came about.

A third thing that comes to mind is that my mother's family settled those generations ago in the Chicago area and there, there are quite pronounced differences in neighborhoods based upon one's racial background. Polish folks live in one area, Russians in another, Irish and Italians also separate, so on so forth... so one tended to KNOW (and be forced to keep track of) what part of the Old World your family was from. My great-grandmother's generation, folks simply didn't mix, it wasn't done... I'm sure there was some extreme hoopla about my Lithuanian great-granny marrying an Irishman, particularly as she really couldn't speak any English and he certainly couldn't speak Lithuanian. Neither one needed to though (prior to meeting each other that is) as they were each surrounded by folk from their own countries.



Meanwhile though, I think in Europe and the British Isles, I think you'd really have to go back centuries to figure out the whole thing, with all that invading by Romans and Vikings and Gauls and, and... People here are "just as" mixed as in the US but since it happened in waves instead of everyone all within the same 100yrs or so, it isn't as obvious. Makes for "interesting" history though.
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Reading again and slowly this thread made me realize something. Will it be a problem for my kids? I mean, Im mexican, huby is swiss and we live in switzerland, as the mother is a bit more influential on which culture they get stronger. will they have identity issues in the future? We are living in switzerland and i cant raise them as swiss because i have no idea on how to do it and the reality for us is that my husband cant help much and in the future will be gone, so it is up to me. And in the other hand after some years if i decide to go back to mexico they will also feel no identity there because they were raised in a different country, the friends etc...
Im not sure if im clear on my point, normally i dont even understand me when i write, I have heard about this before (but never ever passed through my head until now, that i might be in the same situation) mexican parents that reside in USA they have kids and they are not accepted as "americans" because they are raised as mexicans by the parents, nor in mexico are accepted as mexican because they were raised in USA with a different surrounding.
Did you get my point?
I do! my cousins were born in the US so they first spoke English...then their mom moved to Belgium and 2 were in French schools whilst the other was in a Dutch school...this went on for sometime, now they're back in the USA and they're having some real issues...You have to come up with a viable strategy or else you will suffer the consequences, or rather the kids will. You might have to choose between the 2 cultures and raise them on one or the other and not try to combine and mix, you'll just confuse them further.
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Simples. The Brits have a long history. They live with it and don't care. Same here. When my AOH asks me, "How old is this building?", I say, "Dunno, maybe two hundred years or so. So what?" And she goes, "WHAT?!? Two hundred years? And there is not even a Historic Site sign?"

Same with genealogy. It's a mere coincidence I can trace back my whole paternal ancestry to 1191 A.D.. We have always been around here anyway. If one of my great-uncles had not done some research for a scientific project, we wouldn't know and we wouldn't care, whereas Americans spend a fortune on genealogy and travel all over the world in search of their roots.
I would say America has a short European history connection, but there is another history before that. I think Americans that delve into their genealogy are just curious and proud of their past. But ones that use it to think they are better then other Americans i.e my folks came over on the Mayflower are wrong.
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Reading again and slowly this thread made me realize something. Will it be a problem for my kids? I mean, Im mexican, huby is swiss and we live in switzerland, as the mother is a bit more influential on which culture they get stronger. will they have identity issues in the future? We are living in switzerland and i cant raise them as swiss because i have no idea on how to do it and the reality for us is that my husband cant help much and in the future will be gone, so it is up to me. And in the other hand after some years if i decide to go back to mexico they will also feel no identity there because they were raised in a different country, the friends etc...
Im not sure if im clear on my point, normally i dont even understand me when i write, I have heard about this before (but never ever passed through my head until now, that i might be in the same situation) mexican parents that reside in USA they have kids and they are not accepted as "americans" because they are raised as mexicans by the parents, nor in mexico are accepted as mexican because they were raised in USA with a different surrounding.
Did you get my point?
You don't need to be tied down to culture, raise your kids with the values that you cherish. If a particular culture doesn't have those value , then you are in your right to reject them.
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But it isn't only White Americans that do it, it's the others too...you often meet a black or HIspanic American who talks to you about his great great grandfather's second cousin's wife who was a Cherokee hehehe why? I don't know...
Whether it is a matter of having Native American blood or (as in my case), being able to track back to ancestors arriving via Mayflower (or at least prior to the Revolution), there are grants and scholarships and other things that you can apply for to either get a boost of some sort or to get help at all in retribution for ancestral struggles.

The father of one of my nephews has some Native American blood and so he, as well as my nephew, can apply for certain specific grants and scholarships to aid with schooling and such. They may also be able to get different / increased assistance and advice with business loans and whatnot, "just because" of their % of blood. So, for this reason too it is important to keep track.

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I do! my cousins were born in the US so they first spoke English...then their mom moved to Belgium and 2 were in French schools whilst the other was in a Dutch school...this went on for sometime, now they're back in the USA and they're having some real issues...You have to come up with a viable strategy or else you will suffer the consequences, or rather the kids will.
I think that this sort of thing is an "it depends" sort of thing that goes along with my typical answer to the Family question of "should I put my kids in International School or the local one"...

I think that for families who move around a lot and put their children in schools with other children who move around a lot, this becomes something that is not such a big deal. Each child is facing his or her own variation on this sort of struggle when they go to a school where "everyone" moves so it, by reason of "shared" difficulties, becomes easier for them all to form close ties and friendships. Also, in those sorts of school situations, the teachers are more accustomed to the social and educational variances so tend to be "better able" to deal with it through familiarity.

Of course there are exceptions but having gone to something like 13 different schools myself, sometimes with other military brats and sometimes in areas where we were pretty much the only family that seemed to have moved more than 2 blocks from granny's house, that was what my experiences taught me.

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You might have to choose between the 2 cultures and raise them on one or the other and not try to combine and mix, you'll just confuse them further.
I disagree with this.

Many of my friends are from mixed backgrounds, whether it is that one parent was from Mexico (or otherwise a previous Spanish colony area in the Americas), from Korea, Japan, Brazil, Germany etc etc.. and the other was American, generally there was some cultural mix within the home. Some of their traditions were closer to one culture, some to another...

The mother of one of my friends is Korean, her father from the southwest US. Their home was decorated much like many Korean homes (but with big bulky American furniture) and the food and traditions ran the gamut from a full Korean spread complete with all the little "side dishes" (man, I'm "dying" for some of her mother's cooking!) or a huge American style bbq with humongous grilled steaks and potato salad. The only thing that did cause some trouble was that her mother tended to "cater to" her brother more, if he wanted something other than what was planned for dinner, she cooked something special for him. This is something very NOT American, at least in my experience.

I think the mix can be achieved and achieved without (much) confusion... particularly though if one is "surrounded" by others for whom such cultural mixing is pretty normal (or at least not odd) anyhow. Here it may be a bit strange, depends on Coco's hubby and in-laws... for me it would be tough, just because as American as my sweetie is in some ways, he really doesn't see much need to spend holidays in traditionally "American" ways (Christmas is a toughie), hopefully Coco's sweetie is not holding soooo tightly to Swiss traditions just because they happen to live in Switzerland and is willing to mix it up.
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Very,very proud having 2 granddaughters and one grand son ,with native American blood.Two of the grand children's great great grand father fought in the" Somme" in ww1 (Book was writen about him)
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You might like this website called Face of Tomorrow. It would be interesting if they composited all the composites.
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Simples. The Brits have a long history. They live with it and don't care. Same here. When my AOH asks me, "How old is this building?", I say, "Dunno, maybe two hundred years or so. So what?" And she goes, "WHAT?!? Two hundred years? And there is not even a Historic Site sign?"

Same with genealogy. It's a mere coincidence I can trace back my whole paternal ancestry to 1191 A.D.. We have always been around here anyway. If one of my great-uncles had not done some research for a scientific project, we wouldn't know and we wouldn't care, whereas Americans spend a fortune on genealogy and travel all over the world in search of their roots.
Totally OT but have to ask, what does AOH ?, I made a search on internet about it and the result was "A55 On Head" Im sure its not what you mean, what does it means then?
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Totally OT but have to ask, what does AOH ?, I made a search on internet about it and the result was "A55 On Head" Im sure its not what you mean, what does it means then?
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Totally OT but have to ask, what does AOH ?, I made a search on internet about it and the result was "A55 On Head" Im sure its not what you mean, what does it means then?
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Most Brits don't know and don't care. I know I've got a bit of Scottish blood from a few generations back, but apart from that I've no idea where my ancestors came from. It doesn't really matter to me, as I'm English and that's that.

Is there a cultural reason for this difference in attitude to lineage, do you think?
I think Peg explained a lot of the reasons why. Another reason, I think, is because the US is such a new country with few natives. Whereas a Brit can trace back their family history to these isles for hundreds of years, most Americans can only go back 200 or so years. It feels like a stunted history, even when you can trace back to the Mayflower.

Over here in the UK, I keep being asked on forms what is my ethnicity. I never know what to answer - the options are usually White British, White Irish, White Other. My ancestors came from Britain and Ireland, but also equally from Germany. How far back do I go? I always pick White Other, but I want to say "all of the above".
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