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Totally OT but have to ask, what does AOH ?, I made a search on internet about it and the result was "A55 On Head" Im sure its not what you mean, what does it means then?
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Old 23.04.2011, 01:18
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Coco, Mud got it right. He has been around here long enough to have seen me using that abbreviation more than just a few times.
I knew somehow you ment ur other half, just couldnt get the *A* part, i've also read it in some posts and now took the time to google it but you saw the result it gave me
thanks for explaining
Now back on tema. I love my culture and will love that my kids know all about it. but i think as long as we live here they need to be more swiss than mexicans for integration sake. i still have some years to develop a strategy. If someone lived this and have advise is welcome to share
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Old 23.04.2011, 01:35
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Ah, a perfect example why txtspk and abbreviations like that shouldn't be used!
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Old 23.04.2011, 02:38
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This is not directed at you, PegA, but I've noticed that Americans can always give a long list of the ethnicities they've got mixed up in their veins. They can also often name historical families from which they are descended.

Most Brits don't know and don't care. I know I've got a bit of Scottish blood from a few generations back, but apart from that I've no idea where my ancestors came from. It doesn't really matter to me, as I'm English and that's that.

Is there a cultural reason for this difference in attitude to lineage, do you think?
I don't know because I care, I know because I grew up hearing my grandmother speak Italian. I do think it's nice to know your own ethnic background. Not important but if it's available, why not know?

Do you ever find it weird when people say they are Jewish? I wonder, jewish from where? Russia? Germany? Israel? Can I say "Agnostic"?
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Old 23.04.2011, 03:02
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Old 23.04.2011, 03:42
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I mean, genetically speaking we're not that different...but the looks do distinguish us...I'm anticipating that we'll all end up with some beige shade instead of white black yellow red etc crap

I'm generally considered beige with my middle eastern routes, but my daughter is blonde and blue eyed....so I guess it will all be a hotch potch of genetic throwbacks like that.
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Old 23.04.2011, 04:12
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I don't know because I care, I know because I grew up hearing my grandmother speak Italian. I do think it's nice to know your own ethnic background. Not important but if it's available, why not know?

Do you ever find it weird when people say they are Jewish? I wonder, jewish from where? Russia? Germany? Israel? Can I say "Agnostic"?
Why is it weird to say you are Jewish? There is definitely a pattern of migration throughout Europe from England to Russia and those Jews are a homogeneous genetic group. Subsequently they moved to America and Israel. In short, Ashkenazi Jews descend from a small group of people along the Rhine and are 80% of the worldwide Jewish population today.
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Old 23.04.2011, 04:19
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Why is it weird to say you are Jewish? There is definitely a pattern of migration throughout Europe from England to Russia and those Jews are a homogeneous genetic group. Subsequently they moved to America and Israel. In short, Ashkenazi Jews descend from a small group of people along the Rhine and are 80% of the worldwide Jewish population today.
I don't know, I just expect someone to say a place.
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I don't know how to edit posts but I thought I would add that all my friends from Israel say they are from Israel, they don't say they are Jewish.
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Old 23.04.2011, 06:02
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I don't know, I just expect someone to say a place.
Most of those Jewish families moved slowly eastward and were not really attached to one location so it is not that they had very deep roots. In addition if you consider the pogroms and finally the holocaust, it is not exactly obvious to have a sense of belonging to the country your family left or more accurately escaped from.
Now regarding Israel, there was a definite political will to erase links to the past and not be seen as eternal victims. Israelis were even encouraged (and sometimes forced to if they wanted to work for the government) to adopt new last names to break that link to their old roots so they don't identify much with coming originally from Russia or Poland for example.
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Over here in the UK, I keep being asked on forms what is my ethnicity. I never know what to answer - the options are usually White British, White Irish, White Other. My ancestors came from Britain and Ireland, but also equally from Germany. How far back do I go? I always pick White Other, but I want to say "all of the above".
This is where I get confused. It's easy for me "White British". But what about my kids? My wife is half Han, half Annamese. One of our kids looks almost entirely non-Asian. The others - well if they were with me, and you didn't know us, you might think "Hmm, they look a bit Asian", but propably assume that's it's one of those things. They're all much more pale skinned than my wife. Not as pale as me - but there aren't many people who are! Are they half-white? Or is a drop of "non-white" blood sufficient to make them entirely "non-white". Sounds like the convoluted logic of Apartheid/Naziism/The South is still alive and well in the UK!

What is race anyway? Is it even a scientific concept? We're all homo sapiens sapiens aren't we?
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What is race anyway? Is it even a scientific concept? We're all homo sapiens sapiens aren't we?
Im pretty sure im homo sapiens superman.

My mum thinks im cool...
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I'm sure I've met a couple of Neanderthals out there.

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With all these interracial marriages happening each day around us, I am wondering what will we all look like in 200 yrs? will we all have the same physical traits? What will it mean to be European or African? will we continue to say Asians? will the Chinese evolve into something else? what will Switzerland look like also?? this trend is picking up speed at an ever faster rate!! your opinion>?

healthier people, less genetic diseases (those who dont mix will be at a disadvantage)

200 years is not much, but people are much more mobile so there will be a visible change
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This is where I get confused. It's easy for me "White British". But what about my kids? My wife is half Han, half Annamese. One of our kids looks almost entirely non-Asian. The others - well if they were with me, and you didn't know us, you might think "Hmm, they look a bit Asian", but propably assume that's it's one of those things. They're all much more pale skinned than my wife. Not as pale as me - but there aren't many people who are! Are they half-white? Or is a drop of "non-white" blood sufficient to make them entirely "non-white". Sounds like the convoluted logic of Apartheid/Naziism/The South is still alive and well in the UK!

What is race anyway? Is it even a scientific concept? We're all homo sapiens sapiens aren't we?
Interesting. I've often wondered - without judging - if the offspring of such marriages feel it as much as the parents. Probably not - one of my best friends as a child was half white and half black and I never even realized it. But children seem to be under more pressure now than we were (that was the late 60s-early 70s) to conform and there seems to be a much stronger 'clique'-ish nature amongst kids today.

I think that the old stigmas are gradually being dismantled and who can say that that is a bad thing? As time goes on, we will find that race plays an ever decreasing role in relationships. We can only hope.
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Honey, when you said you married me for my genes I thought you liked how I fit in my Levis.

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I think Peg explained a lot of the reasons why. Another reason, I think, is because the US is such a new country with few natives. Whereas a Brit can trace back their family history to these isles for hundreds of years, most Americans can only go back 200 or so years. It feels like a stunted history, even when you can trace back to the Mayflower.

Over here in the UK, I keep being asked on forms what is my ethnicity. I never know what to answer - the options are usually White British, White Irish, White Other. My ancestors came from Britain and Ireland, but also equally from Germany. How far back do I go? I always pick White Other, but I want to say "all of the above".
This stunted history ia also actually not so far away. My Swiss husband happened to have a friend of the family here in Switzerland who had a brother who was friends with my Grandfather in the midwest. The brother living in the Midwest was in one of our pictures once that we showed here in Switzerland. Someobody in Switzerland saw it, knew who he was, and viola, the connection was discovered.
My other grandfather spoke German because his Grandmother had come over from German, and she had taught him. He loved meeting my SG husband, and talking about his Grandmother: the things she cooked, her stories to him about Germany, etc.
There are endless examples of pieces of history being passed down and connections made, and this generation is stil alive and very proud of their backgrounds. Our family has photographs of great-grandparents who came from Europe and made a new life in the US. They did things that impress the pants off people who live in a completely different society now. I moved to an apartment in CH, and shop at the grocery store. I didn't build my own house, kill my dinner and survive disease and starvation. These things aren't that far away in the US.
I remember being cold once, and my grandfather telling me that during the depression they lined their clothes and shoes with newspaper. When our history class studied the Great Depression, it took on a whole new meaning because it wasn't just history anymore. When I saw photographs of hundred of men lined up for work, looking like their bones were going to come through their skin, I knew one of those men.
I think Americans often treasure the people in their pasts, and learn to be interested n their roots through family stories and connections. They know that their lives would have been completely different if Great Grandma/Grandpa hadn't gotten on that ship. It IS rather an impressive act!
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I think Americans often treasure the people in their pasts, and learn to be interested n their roots through family stories and connections. They know that their lives would have been completely different if Great Grandma/Grandpa hadn't gotten on that ship. It IS rather an impressive act!
My Lithuanian great-grandmother had quite a few interesting stories to tell about their passage over. The one that comes most strongly to mind has to do with one of my great-aunts actually having to be smuggled over as she was somehow ill and whomever was in charge didn't want to allow her on the ship for fear that she had mumps. I can not remember what was wrong with her but she was tucked into a suitcase and brought along anyhow.

How scary that must have been for all of them then. Worrying if they'd be able to get her across also, worrying if they'd get caught and kicked off (or whatever)...
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This stunted history ia also actually not so far away. My Swiss husband happened to have a friend of the family here in Switzerland who had a brother who was friends with my Grandfather in the midwest. The brother living in the Midwest was in one of our pictures once that we showed here in Switzerland. Someobody in Switzerland saw it, knew who he was, and viola, the connection was discovered.
It is interesting to see that the Swiss policy from the 1810s to the 1920s was to encourage Swiss people to emigrate. Switzerland was one of the poorest country in Europe (with Monaco!) and not everybody could be fed. Even old people were conveniently asked to leave when they could not work anymore and village authorities would pay for their trip (GDR like).
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