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toadvine you're new here so perhaps you haven't witnessed the extent of the mindless anti-americanism on this forum.

god forbid a few people get excited about the death of OBL and celebrate in the streets for a bit. or that the soldiers involved in a GUNFIGHT didn't capture a desperate man alive so he could face a fair trial? LOL

hold on, lets go have a national holiday so we can stare at pippa's breasts.
I'm certainly not against staring at Pippa!
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That's good of you, go around groaning and you don't even know what it's about!!
well starting a sentence with "how stupid are you" does allways trigger a groan without any restraint
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where have you been for the past 10 years? the guy has been putting out video after video taking credit for the attacks.

and he became a murdering terrorist when he had people fly planes into buildings.
You know though, I just saw something on this today. He never claimed direct responsibility for the attacks. I didn't know that. Although there was a tape that came out about 9 years ago where he discussed the attack with some fellow supporters, this was an undercover type tape, where he knew alot about the details.
Even if there is some chance he isn't responsible for the 9/11 attacks he is responsible for the attacks on the embassy in Kenya that killed over 300 people.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Big clue would be what shot down the Apache. Was it Osama's henchmen or Pakistan Army

Im sure an aging old man needing Kidney dialysis every other week and his young wife could not have subjected US Marines to "heavy fire" and even shot down a military chopper on their own.

What happened to his henchmen? Any arrested? Any dead bodies of them?

Interesting was the initial news reports: Pakistan media saying a "Paksitani military" helicopter going down near Kakul Academy and army had sealed off the area, until they realised Pakistan Army dont fly Apaches.

At the same time, US news outlets saying one of the "US helicopters" went down in the operation near Kakul Academy which was destroyed and remains left behind.

Burial is intersting too. Im sure Bin Laden's family was allowed to see his face, one last time, under "strict muslims traditions" before they buried him at sea.
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Hey, it's me again :P

My point is that America could have had him killed long time ago but I guess they were too busy trying to find hair in an egg and i think that Osama WAS the hair they needed
The war in Iraq was started based on some kind of nuclear bomb that Sadam possessed! When they found out that the bomb is not there? "MAYDAY MAYDAY WE NEED OSAMA AROUND HERE" And he came with his band of outlaws called Al-Qaeda
The same goes for Afghanistan and for Somalia back in 1992
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Hamas, those new partners in the Palestinian government, are calling OBL a "Holy warrior" and condemning his killing.

A bunch of murdering terrorists, but at least they stand by their friends.
Whereas the other partner plo issued a statement supporting his killing.
Somehow one feels this partnership has a short future
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

He (binladen) is a terrorist as much as Bush is
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And I could put out video after video taking credit for the flowers blooming every spring. That doesn't make it fact.

And there's not been sufficient independent proof (to my eyes at least) that he orchestrated the September 11th attacks.
True
but if you put out videos claiming responsibility for terrorist acts then you should not be surprised when soldiers swing in through your windows shooting at you.
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He (binladen) is a terrorist as much as Bush is

The smiley face completely redeems the sentiment. Look, I'm no "hawk" myself and I support the immediate withdrawal of US forces. But this guy did admit responsibility for a horrible atrocity committed deliberately against civilians. I'm no Bush supporter, but I do hope you are able to see the clear differences and that you are only using hyperbole to throw a proverbial stone in the pond.
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Big clue would be what shot down the Apache. Was it Osama's henchmen or Pakistan Army
Who said it was an apache??? no seriously? If the infiltrated someone must have been with blackhawks, no?

Although, I guess Air support must have been available.
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Who said it was an apache??? no seriously? If the infiltrated someone must have been with blackhawks, no?
Right, because Apaches are not used to drop special forces teams. I assume the poster is not familiar with American helicopters.
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toadvine you're new here so perhaps you haven't witnessed the extent of the mindless anti-americanism on this forum.

god forbid a few people get excited about the death of OBL and celebrate in the streets for a bit. or that the soldiers involved in a GUNFIGHT didn't capture a desperate man alive so he could face a fair trial? LOL

hold on, lets go have a national holiday so we can stare at pippa's breasts.

NO.
No one is sorry that he is dead it is just we are not jumping with joy that x million deaths and x billion dollars have been wasted to find a man who was then illegally murdered. It is possible to separate ethics from emotion and not swallow bucket loads of horsesheet propaganda.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

It's funny how with Osama Bin Laden dead, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammend arrested in 2005, it seems that now the person who was behind 9/11 was actually Ayman Al-Zawahiri, who incidentally is the most senior member of Al Qaeda still at large, and likely to become the new figurehead in place of Osama.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11489337

It's almost as if the only way that the governments involved can justify wasting billions on this (in my opinion) futile "war on terror", is to be able to say to the lowest common denominator "but look what he did first....!"
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Why you groan at me? Is that for calling that village idiot a terrorist?
How many young americans were sent to a war?
How many of them were brutally killed?
How many are still being recruited?
For what? To fight a war over oil and opium?
How many senators or politicians left their position and joined arms with the marines? How many sons or daughters of those politicians?
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NO.
No one is sorry that he is dead it is just we are not jumping with joy that x million deaths and x billion dollars have been wasted to find a man who was then illegally murdered. It is possible to separate ethics from emotion and not swallow bucket loads of horsesheet propaganda.
Again, let's not rush to judgment. You have no idea whether he was "murdered" or killed during an apprehension action. There is a significant difference.

I do agree, as I've stated, that death should not be the cause of celebration.
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NO.
No one is sorry that he is dead it is just we are not jumping with joy that x million deaths and x billion dollars have been wasted to find a man who was then illegally murdered. It is possible to separate ethics from emotion and not swallow bucket loads of horsesheet propaganda.
Where do you get the notion that he was illegally murdered? That's a hell of a conclusion to make. US Special Forces dropped down into his compound. Bin Laden most likely resisted capture and shot back, and was subsequently killed.

Or do you assume he was like "okay okay guys, I give up. I'll take my chances in court!"
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Why did they bury Osama's body in the sea ?
10 years long fight was atleast worth 1 picture!!!

ALL this looks very fishy to me!

article from the local Pakistani newspaper (dawn)

Another resident, Nasir Khan, said commandos had encircled the compound as three helicopters hovered overhead.
“All of a sudden there was firing towards the helicopters from the ground,” said Khan, who watched the drama unfold from his roof.
“There was intense firing and then I saw one of the helicopters crash.”
US officials in Washington said a small US team conducted a helicopter raid on the compound in Abbottabad, a military garrison town some 60 km (35 miles) north of the capital Islamabad. After 40 minutes of fighting, bin Laden and an adult son, one unidentified woman and two men were dead.
Sohaib Athar, whose online profile says he is an IT consultant taking a break from the rat race, sent out a stream of live updates on Twitter about the movement of helicopters and blasts without realising it was a raid on bin Laden.
When he learnt who had been killed, he tweeted: “Uh oh, there goes the neighbourhood.”
But it might take more to convince many people that bin Laden is dead.
One soldier on patrol near the compound said there had been talk before of bin Laden’s death, only for it to be proven untrue.
“It’s not clear if he was killed or not,” the soldier said.
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I agree that the US "death squads" are horrific, but I would put money on the fact that more people have been killed by non-Americans than by Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan (I could have said Muslims killed by Muslims, but we're not going there again. Please ).
Please, don't call Talibans muslims, it is an insult for the rest of us.

My two cents:

The commando went in with the order to kill the guy. They obviously got a very good information where he was by someone who knows more than enough so keeping Osama alive was probably pointless and would create more trouble than just having him dead. I am pretty sure they did weight both results carefully.

They burried him in the sea for obvious reasons. First, in Islam, you have to burried the body within 24 hours following the dead (execptions when the dead is unknow and they have to make an investigation, which we all know why he was killed, how and who killed him) By burrying him in the sea they avoid his people to go back to get the body and transform the whole thing into a Saint or something to pray on the body. By burrying him within the Islam tradition, they do the right thing to not ''offend'' some members of the muslim community who could take it as an offence.

I am pretty sure some journalists got to see the body, I am sure the US force made sure to have as much proof as possible to avoid this kind of conversation (seeing in this thread) to get all over the place in the medias and in the world. Lets wait and see. Speculations are funny but won't bring anything new and factual about the real thing.

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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Fox news also failed reporting about it.. (no joke)

FAIL of the day
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