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Old 02.05.2011, 23:46
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

This succesful operation (small commando with a clear target) is the ultimate proof of the failure of the pursued strategy (sending massive troops).
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Old 02.05.2011, 23:52
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According to CNN, marines went into the room where he was and after recognizing facially that he was Osama, they killed him.
CNN blog at http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02...nknown/?hpt=T1 (2:30 update) says he was holding a weapon when he was hit, as well as being shielded by a woman. Seems as if stopping to ask the guy for ID prior to firing would be unwarranted.
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Old 02.05.2011, 23:53
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Are you seriously asking why a key and very vocal member of Al Qaeada didn't give himself up to the U.S. , a country that he hates and wants to see destroyed regardless of whether he organised 9/11 or not, for "proper trial" by the very country that has just been attacked and is looking for someone to take their anger out on? The idea and question is silly on about a zillion fronts.
Not entirely. It's not as if he made video tapes providing evidence of his innocence for the crimes he was accused of. It's not as if we americans constantly accuse people of doing heinous acts against us, and go after them with out a trial (http://www.blackpast.org/?q=1899-rev...hern-lynchings ,

http://books.google.com/books?id=K3r...page&q&f=false ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...nment)....even so. When I have been falsely accused of something I try to proclame my innocence and defend myself. Way before there was an attack on Afghanistan the US tried to extradite Osama. In the legal manner, and requested the then in power Taliban to hand him over. In turn they refused but not before giving him a good head start, and delaying our efforts to capture him.

Please don't make it sound like there was an attack on the US and from a billion names we came up with some one that could be the fall guy. He had legal opportunities, in the beginning, and could have walked in and turned himself over to any government/police station in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or where ever and championed his defense like other people had the opportunity to do in the past. There are others that have faced trial as well.
If you think that is ridiculous I don't care. Usually it's pretty rare that a person flees first if they are innocent of crimes accused against them. And then spend the rest of their lives sending taunting videos to the world who is trying to capture him.
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Old 02.05.2011, 23:56
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hmm..makes you think about the distances they would need to travel from Pakistan to the base in Afganistan and than to the sea. is that even possible in the 3-6 hours?
I suppose the military might have a few jets/planes at their disposal.
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Old 03.05.2011, 00:00
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All I heard today was Americans saying it was wrong to celebrate, but wgt should Americans be held to s higher standard that other countries? most countries celebrate victories. anyway The Muslim committees on the Us are saying Shrewd move Obama burying him at sea, so threes is no shrine. Now he's gone. Lets get on with building bridge.
They certainly doing seem too bothered!
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Old 03.05.2011, 00:04
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All I heard today was Americans saying it was wrong to celebrate, but wgt should Americans be held to s higher standard that other countries? most countries celebrate victories. anyway The Muslim committees on the Us are saying Shrewd move Obama burying him at sea, so threes is no shrine. Now he's gone. Lets get on with building bridge.
They certainly doing seem too bothered!
You know what I noticed in almost every video footage I saw of people celebrating, it looks like almost everyone was under 23 or something. I certainly didn't see anyone my Dad's age out there in the streets.
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Old 03.05.2011, 00:15
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You know what I noticed in almost every video footage I saw of people celebrating, it looks like almost everyone was under 23 or something. I certainly didn't see anyone my Dad's age out there in the streets.
It was in DC and I think that many of them looked like soldiers.
At college today even a lecturer said that he did not think it appropriate for anyone to be celebrating the loss of life, but no-one was. If anyone was to celebrate it should be the New Yorkers at Ground Zero.

I wait to be proved wrong, but I think Al Qaeda has lost a lot of support. the problem now is the Pakistani Military.

If Al-Zawahiri takes Bin Ladens' place then he will suffer the same fate.

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Old 03.05.2011, 00:16
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All I heard today was Americans saying it was wrong to celebrate, but wgt should Americans be held to s higher standard that other countries? most countries celebrate victories. anyway The Muslim committees on the Us are saying Shrewd move Obama burying him at sea, so threes is no shrine. Now he's gone. Lets get on with building bridge.
They certainly doing seem too bothered!
No, but they also should not be celebrating the death of a human being, full stop.

Take a read of this article written by a September 11th widow:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kriste...?ref=fb&src=sp

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When my husband was killed on the morning of 9/11, television stations around the world ran split-screen video. They showed the buildings still burning juxtaposed against young Arabs celebrating in the streets. That disturbing vision left me incredulous; it was forever emblazoned on my psyche.
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And it breaks my heart to witness young Americans cheer any death -- even the death of a horrible, evil, murderous person -- like it is some trite tailgate party on a college campus.
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You know what I noticed in almost every video footage I saw of people celebrating, it looks like almost everyone was under 23 or something. I certainly didn't see anyone my Dad's age out there in the streets.
I think you should re-watch those videos again, I'm sure you will see that there were elderly people celebrating.
One of the videos show a couple celebrating with a champaign at their sons grave.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

US officials say that Osama didn't reach for a gun and certainly did not shot a single bullet towards US commandos and he didn't used a woman as a shield.
God knows what happened there, for now, too many contradictions are being said by both US officials and news channels.
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Old 03.05.2011, 01:17
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US officials say that Osama didn't reach for a gun and certainly did not shot a single bullet towards US commandos and he didn't used a woman as a shield.
God knows what happened there, for now, too many contradictions are being said by both US officials and news channels.
Citations please for your assertions.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Ok he is dead. He deserve it.
But dont forget that also the US is a terrorism goberment.
I dont think the world is better now. One bullet dont end the things...
Hope so, but I dont think so...
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No, but they also should not be celebrating the death of a human being, full stop.

Take a read of this article written by a September 11th widow:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kriste...?ref=fb&src=sp
Of course you are right, no death should be celebrated, but people all around the world do it, America is no better or worse. Didn't people celebrate when Hitler died or Stalin, Pol Pot, Ceaușescu or Pinochet, I don't remember an outcry to say that they shouldn't celebrate their deaths.

Why hold the US to a higher moral standard?

Where is the outcry from Muslim countries? What not even Yemen- that's supposed to be an Al Qaeda stronghold.

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On Monday in Yemen, for example, organizers of rallies aimed at bringing down the autocratic regime of President Ali Abdullah Saleh cautioned fellow protesters against holding aloft images of Mr. bin Laden. “We are not working with Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. We have one cause and it is the fall of the regime,” one protester in Sanaa told Reuters.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign...-Laden-s-death
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Old 03.05.2011, 07:48
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

State targeted assassination, when will it end under the guise of 'justice'?...Yesterday the face of 'terror' was Bin Laden, tomorrow it'll be someone else...Meanwhile, don't expect the US war machine to slow to a crawl and get back to taking care of it's own internal problems
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They code named him Geronimo, which I think shows a lack of imagination. Something more appropriate like..... I dunno, Kyber Pass Charlie, would have been my choice.
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State targeted assassination, when will it end under the guise of 'justice'?...
Totally agree, I hate the guise of justice. State targeted assassination, long may it continue, but hopefully not under any guise.
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Apparently they are only 99.9% sure it was him. Could they not have kept the body and 100% made sure?
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Old 03.05.2011, 09:54
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

at least it made all the news stations shut up about that blasted wedding for 5 minutes.
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Suddenly I miss all the innocent fun we were having. Now it's all about fake corpses and BS.
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at least it made all the news stations shut up about that blasted wedding for 5 minutes.
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Apparently they are only 99.9% sure it was him. Could they not have kept the body and 100% made sure?
Maybe they could have just knocked on his front door and said 'Excuse us, please, but is this the Bin Laden residence? It is? Oh, how wonderful! We've been searching ever so long! Tea and bikkies? Oh, please. You're so very kind. Oh, no, we don't mind waiting. One of our helicopters is double parked, however.'
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